Topic: BabyHawk.. the CB160 build.

[toytuff]

I don't recognize the tire.  Brand?

IRC. They are actually scooter/smaller motorcycle tires but in the correct size.

tt

[RAFster122s]

There were repro generic badges made of same construction method as the original, could be old repro badges. But, that is speciulation. The bikes are nice.

You should advertise and do clean up or restoration for others as you do great work ToyTuff.

David

[jas67]

You should advertise and do clean up or restoration for others as you do great work ToyTuff.

Turning hobbies into a business isn't always a good idea.   It can take the enjoyment out of it.
A better approach might be to just buy them, give 'em the TT touch, and the resell them (preferably to me for a really good price.  ).
Seriously though, it is hard to get your money back out of a restoration, but if you buy right, and they need mostly a good cleanup (mostly labor, minimal parts), then you can do OK.  You get the satisfaction of making them look nice again, but w/o accumulating too many.

[toytuff]

There were repro generic badges made of same construction method as the original, could be old repro badges. But, that is speciulation. The bikes are nice.

You should advertise and do clean up or restoration for others as you do great work ToyTuff.

David

I do believe the badges are original. The spare 160 has 1300 miles on the clock. Must have been a change in production so they could use the emblem on several models and not just one.

No, just me. I don't want the liability, lack of money, waiting on money and the overall BS you would get. I try hard to lead a stress free life.

tt

[toytuff]

You should advertise and do clean up or restoration for others as you do great work ToyTuff.

Turning hobbies into a business isn't always a good idea.   It can take the enjoyment out of it.
A better approach might be to just buy them, give 'em the TT touch, and the resell them (preferably to me for a really good price.  ).
Seriously though, it is hard to get your money back out of a restoration, but if you buy right, and they need mostly a good cleanup (mostly labor, minimal parts), then you can do OK.  You get the satisfaction of making them look nice again, but w/o accumulating too many.

Agree. The only bike that will bring me a good profit it the CB350. All others have more than they would bring in the current market. That's OK with me because I know they were done right.

Everything is for sale except the CBX. Lord, I love that bike!

tt

[jas67]

I do believe the badges are original. The spare 160 has 1300 miles on the clock. Must have been a change in production so they could use the emblem on several models and not just one.

It's my understanding, from research, and talking to my local long-time Honda dealer that the metal badges w/o the displacement on them were never actually sold on the the bikes, but were produced by Honda as a replacement part only, to replace the plastic ones which degraded quickly on any bike that spent any time in the Sun.    You are correct that they didn't put the displacement on them, so they only had to produce one part for any model that took this size and type of badge.

My '68 CL175 (which only has just over 4,600 miles on it) has these replacement badges that the previous owner put on it.   The originals are nice shape, and stored out of harm from the Sun's UV rays.   I may put them on when I show it.

No, just me. I don't want the liability, lack of money, waiting on money and the overall BS you would get. I try hard to lead a stress free life.

+1 -- agreed 300%!

[HondanutRider]

I do believe the badges are original. The spare 160 has 1300 miles on the clock. Must have been a change in production so they could use the emblem on several models and not just one.

It's my understanding, from research, and talking to my local long-time Honda dealer that the metal badges w/o the displacement on them were never actually sold on the the bikes, but were produced by Honda as a replacement part only, to replace the plastic ones which degraded quickly on any bike that spent any time in the Sun.    You are correct that they didn't put the displacement on them, so they only had to produce one part for any model that took this size and type of badge.

My '68 CL175 (which only has just over 4,600 miles on it) has these replacement badges that the previous owner put on it.   The originals are nice shape, and stored out of harm from the Sun's UV rays.   I may put them on when I show it.

I agree with what you say Jas, and was about to make the same comment.

[toytuff]

So, these are rare and original. 

They will stay.

tt

[jas67]

So, these are rare and original. 

They will stay.

tt

They might be.    Lot's of reproductions are available on eBay.    On this particular item, I would say if it looks original, then it is as good as original.
For that matter, a recent reproduction is less likely to deteriorate.

[HondaMan]

Everything is for sale except the CBX. Lord, I love that bike!

Roger that!

[toytuff]

I'm looking for the torque spec on the rear pivot bolt. My manual is so, so and want to check the 54.8 ft. pound figure. Seems tight to me. Thanks.

Latest parts order arrived. Parts for both the CB160 and CB350G. Hard to believe $482.00 sitting there.



Mounted the swing arm, or as they call it, the rear pivot fork. New seals inside and out.



Next we mounted the rear pegs. Check out the cool foot peg rubbers. Original!  Cleaned up great.



Found a cool guy here in town to do the rear wheel. Going to set the offset to factory specs. His garage was full of lathes, presses etc. Good guy to know for sure.

 He has a 1967 BSA Victor project. Guess only 457 made at the time.



As of now waiting on carburetors, paint should be done this weekend and the rear wheel. Once this is gathered up I can proceed forward to the front forks and wheel.

tt

[HondanutRider]

I'm looking for the torque spec on the rear pivot bolt. My manual is so, so and want to check the 54.8 ft. pound figure. Seems tight to me. Thanks.

If its a help, here's an extract from the Honda Shop Manual for the CB160.

[toytuff]

Thanks HN. I also have that.

If you look at number 7 then at number 3 there is a difference.

tt

[jas67]

Thanks HN. I also have that.

If you look at number 7 then at number 3 there is a difference.

tt

They sure don't do a good job of making it clear which torque numbers go on which lines.
It looks like #8 is listed twice, and the number you really want is 23.8 to 34.6 ft*lbs.

I'd go with that, and paint a small line on the bolt and nut to be able to see at a glance if it is coming loose.

[toytuff]

Finished up the fuel tank this morning.

Parts.



First we mounted the petcock to the tank using a little sealer and new fiber washers.



Assembled the valve with new seal.



New screen and O ring.



And a new bowl. Old one was rounded due to wrong size wrench used. 



Fuel tank is clean with new petcock. It's ready to go when the time comes. 

tt

[HondanutRider]

...and which side is it on?

[toytuff]

Right.

tt

[HondanutRider]

On the CB160 I always found the petcock on the right side to be an awkward, unusual position.  Don't run low!  I remember coming home late one night and going up a hill when needing to switch over.  Almost got it but then had it switched the wrong way onto the stop...they hadn't standardized on the 180 degree switch-over yet either.

[toytuff]

Does seem odd huh? Yeah, I hate that crossover fuel line. Makes a mess every time you remove the tank.

On the Dream I ran it up over the frame. No room to do this on the CB160.

tt

[toytuff]

Starting on the front forks but man, they won't budge.  Soaking the lower tree the best I can. I can see this will be a job.

Got the headlight bucket cleaned up as well as the speedometer. Speedometer seal was good and the grommets I found at Ohio Cycle.

Associated parts.



And finished. Bucket in fantastic condition.





Starting on front wheel tomorrow morning. Disassemble, clean and lace with new rim and spokes.

tt

[jas67]

Does seem odd huh? Yeah, I hate that crossover fuel line. Makes a mess every time you remove the tank.

On the Dream I ran it up over the frame. No room to do this on the CB160.

tt

Yes, the crossover fuel line is highly annoying.  The CL175 and CB175 are that way too, as was my Yamaha RD350.

I like how BMW did on the airheads.   They use two petcocks.    You just switch them both off, disconnect the fuel lines -- no mess.

[jas67]

The headlight/speedo looks great!    New headlight ring, and speedp trim ring?
Where did you find the speedo trim ring?  I could use some nice ones.

[toytuff]

The headlight/speedo looks great!    New headlight ring, and speedp trim ring?
Where did you find the speedo trim ring?  I could use some nice ones.

Everything is original except the grommets and headlight ring. Got that at DS, last one he had. $20.00. 

It's what I do. 

tt

[Greggo]

Beautiful bucket, very nice work.  I love the old Honda bikes with the gauge built-in like that. 

[toytuff]

Beautiful bucket, very nice work.  I love the old Honda bikes with the gauge built-in like that.

Amazing how nice the speedometer really is. They usually are faded and dull looking.

tt