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CB750 First Build
« on: October 29, 2013, 09:13:52 AM »
Hello everyone.  I have decided to start a build thread documenting my project.  I have learned quite a bit from reading various discussions on here and hope to gain more input through this thread as this is my first bike project.  The goal is to build a light weight cafe possibly resembling a CR bike with a few modern touches.  I don't have all the specifics down but I kind of have an idea of what Im looking for.  I want the bike to have a simple look and feel, nothing very flashy.   My budget is somewhat limited as any college students is so I plan to build as I have the money and try to keep the spending under control (maybe our government should toon in, haha). 

I bought the bike in early August for $500.  It has 27,000 miles and is very dirty.  The previous owner was gong for the chopper look which I personally am not very fond of.   After replacing the plugs and putting some fresh gas in the tank, we were able to get it started... Pictures to follow.
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Re: CB750 First Build
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 02:08:11 PM »
 Welcome, Simple.  There is a wealth of knowledge on the forum.  Take advantage of the search function in the upper left (NOT the upper right) as to questions that come up.  Many of them can be answered by first doing a search.

Being that most of us are visual-oriented, feel free to post pictures.  You can embed a link to photobucket (a free photo sharing service) in your posts.  It helps to illustrate what exactly you are working on, especially if you have questions and need advice.  Equally important, we love pictures -- such as your bike in the condition that it is in.  SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT IS IN RUNNING CONDITION.  First things being first, you may wish to simply clean up the bike, get it running smooth, make some safety improvements (replace steering bearings, service brakes, install bronze swingarm bushings, etc.) and progressively replace what you can afford to get the bike in the aesthetic direction you like.

Your post indicates that the previous owner was going for "the chooper look."  Can you be a little more specific?  Did s/he alter the stock frame -- make it a rigid, hard tail (with no moving swingarm or alter the neck and downtubes (thereby altering the stock geometry)?  If so, the frame will not likely be a good candidate for a CR-inspired cafe bike, or really much other than a chopper.  If that's the case, you may need to shop for another frame.

If you are going for a CR-replica, I applaud your taste, but caution you as to the sizable expense in terms of parts needed.  A CR-tank (if aluminum) will be quite pricey.  If you go with fiberglass, you can run into all kinds of problems if you run pump gas (ethanol-based gas eats through fiberglass and resin).  You can still go for removing unnecessary weight and use a stock tank for now (even modify your tank with knee dents).  If you have some metal fabrication or machining skills, you will be WAY ahead of the curve.

Looking forward to more info!
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Re: CB750 First Build
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2013, 07:46:09 PM »
Welcome, Simple.  There is a wealth of knowledge on the forum.  Take advantage of the search function in the upper left (NOT the upper right) as to questions that come up.  Many of them can be answered by first doing a search.

Being that most of us are visual-oriented, feel free to post pictures.  You can embed a link to photobucket (a free photo sharing service) in your posts.  It helps to illustrate what exactly you are working on, especially if you have questions and need advice.  Equally important, we love pictures -- such as your bike in the condition that it is in.  SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT IS IN RUNNING CONDITION.  First things being first, you may wish to simply clean up the bike, get it running smooth, make some safety improvements (replace steering bearings, service brakes, install bronze swingarm bushings, etc.) and progressively replace what you can afford to get the bike in the aesthetic direction you like.

Your post indicates that the previous owner was going for "the chooper look."  Can you be a little more specific?  Did s/he alter the stock frame -- make it a rigid, hard tail (with no moving swingarm or alter the neck and downtubes (thereby altering the stock geometry)?  If so, the frame will not likely be a good candidate for a CR-inspired cafe bike, or really much other than a chopper.  If that's the case, you may need to shop for another frame.

If you are going for a CR-replica, I applaud your taste, but caution you as to the sizable expense in terms of parts needed.  A CR-tank (if aluminum) will be quite pricey.  If you go with fiberglass, you can run into all kinds of problems if you run pump gas (ethanol-based gas eats through fiberglass and resin).  You can still go for removing unnecessary weight and use a stock tank for now (even modify your tank with knee dents).  If you have some metal fabrication or machining skills, you will be WAY ahead of the curve.

Looking forward to more info!

Thanks for the welcome.   The frame is still original so the chopper modification he was going for was not that extreme (thankfully).  I was eluding to the 16" rear wheel, bolt on highway bars, and the ugly "double" place seat.  The pictures will explain better...
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Re: CB750 First Build
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2013, 07:58:06 PM »
The 74 CB750K when I picked it up:



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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2013, 08:05:21 PM »




Getting it Started/ beginning of tear down.  Seat gone  :(  ... Just kidding. 






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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 08:11:35 PM »
At this point we got it running so I dove in a bit as you can see.  Can't believe the bike was running with the condition these carbs were in...





Before and after thorough breakdown and cleaning:



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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 08:22:55 PM »
Excuse me for having to play catch up a little bit.  The project started back in August so I am a little behind with starting the thread.  At any rate, more pics of tear down:




Interesting time getting the engine out.  I'm sure there is a better way of doing it but we resorted to muscling it out with the help of the cherry picker.











This aluminum was dead.  So much dirt/oil/oxidation and maybe some algae, haha. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2013, 08:34:05 PM »
A few comments;  The tires look descent although they are Kenda's??  Not very familiar with this brand so I would like some comments on that.  The rear wheel is a 16".  This was disappointing but I think I have a line on a stock wheel for the rear...  The stock bars were bent so the bike must have been tipped at some point. 

The petcock leaks on the tank as I suspected given the paint job. 

What else...

I do have two wiring harnesses for the bike.  At this point I am not really sure what I should do as far as the ignition system and wiring.  It seems like some guys on here have ditched the stock harness and ignition or at least simplified it some how.  Not that this is a huge issue at this point...
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2013, 08:40:56 PM »
Continuing on:

More disassembly






I think the previous owner had fabricated some door hinge style seat hinges.




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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2013, 08:50:01 PM »
So this is the start of the engine teardown.  I have been throwing around the idea of doing the 836cc kit since I am going this far with the project.  I know I said I want to keep control of the budget but If anything, I wan the motor to be right and make good power. 

Teardown:


Head off.  We thought the cam and rocker arms looked pretty good as far as wear.






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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2013, 08:54:52 PM »
Removal of covers for cleaning and polishing.




The underside is just nasty.  Can't even see most of the aluminum...
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2013, 09:02:10 PM »
A little bit of forward progress:



And this is pretty much where I am right now.  I mostly will be working on it during the weekends when I'm not working or in school.  I have some of the other covers polished or in progress. 

Any advice/tips/suggestions let me know.  Like I said, first time CB/motorcycle builder.  It has been fun thus far, really looking forward to when I can start putting it back together though (and when all the dirt is gone).

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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2013, 09:05:57 PM »
This might be a little better pic of the rocker cover, the first one seemed kind of blurry.

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Re: CB750 First Build
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2013, 01:04:59 PM »
This might be a little better pic of the rocker cover, the first one seemed kind of blurry.


Looks very nice, care to share the products you are using to get to these impressive results? I'm curious about what you used to soak the crabs and what kind of aluminum cleaner and polish....

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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2013, 10:20:28 AM »
Looks like a good start!  I might have missed this, but what year is this?  Also, are you thinking of doing the big bore yourself, or having someone else do it?  Curious to hear what options there are out there.  Can't imagine how expensive it must be to ship an engine.  Although, I'm sure it would be money well spent.

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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2013, 10:35:25 AM »
Nothing wrong with a 16" rear wheel, depending upon the style you are pursuing. Some benefits are more space under the seat pan, taller tire, etc.

Search engine removal 750 and you will find lots of tricks for removal and installation. Even frame kits available to ease install/service of head while in bike.

Great looking start!
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2013, 03:12:23 PM »
This might be a little better pic of the rocker cover, the first one seemed kind of blurry.


Looks very nice, care to share the products you are using to get to these impressive results? I'm curious about what you used to soak the crabs and what kind of aluminum cleaner and polish....

I removed the dullness with a 3m Sanding disc on my die grinder.  It was the lightest grit I could find but I would have liked to use a bit softer grit as there are s few scratches that still need to be buffed out.  I may try wet sanding to get some of them out even though they are not that noticeable.  Then I used red and white rouge and a buffing wheel to get the final shine.  To my surprised it worked very well as this was my first experience restoring aluminum.  For the tight areas I used a "soft" small wire wheel on my die grinder.
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2013, 03:14:54 PM »
Looks like a good start!  I might have missed this, but what year is this?  Also, are you thinking of doing the big bore yourself, or having someone else do it?  Curious to hear what options there are out there.  Can't imagine how expensive it must be to ship an engine.  Although, I'm sure it would be money well spent.

Yeah I forgot to post the year right away.  It's a 74.  I plan to put the engine together but of course have my machinist do the boring/headwork, etc. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2013, 03:17:02 PM »
Nothing wrong with a 16" rear wheel, depending upon the style you are pursuing. Some benefits are more space under the seat pan, taller tire, etc.

Search engine removal 750 and you will find lots of tricks for removal and installation. Even frame kits available to ease install/service of head while in bike.

Great looking start!


Thanks.  I am pursuing more of a same size look for the wheels but would be curious to see how someone pulled off the café look with the 16' wheel...
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2013, 03:51:00 PM »
Here's a "still in progress" shot of my 550 with 19" front and 16" rear. Pardon the hanging exhaust, it had just arrived and had to check for clearance/interference
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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2013, 05:11:08 PM »
Here's a "still in progress" shot of my 550 with 19" front and 16" rear. Pardon the hanging exhaust, it had just arrived and had to check for clearance/interference

Nice, looks pretty good.  Beautiful exhaust, I bet that wasn't cheap.  Who made it?
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2013, 06:58:35 PM »
Chris @ MotoGP Werks. Quality is top notch. It's at the powder coated being shot inside and out with satin black ceramic with the end cap in bright silver. After that comes back, it's custom wire harness and the finished! Or at least I'm telling myself that...
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2013, 12:37:49 PM »
As of late, I have gotten the frame and swingarm blasted.  I have started to strip the frame of some of the excess metal but have run into an issue.  I screwed up a bit and put a hole in the back side of the frame pipe where one of the passenger "tranglular" set mounts was.  Only after I made the mistake did I realize the thickness of the tubing was so minimal.  I know, this was a newb move and avoidable with some more research.  My question is though how should I go about fixing this?  I will most likely have someone else do the welding as I don't have the proper equipment nor trust my welding skill.  Maybe I can get some pics to give you a better idea.  Thanks for any comments, I'm at a little bit of a stand still...
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2013, 01:50:14 PM »
As of late, I have gotten the frame and swingarm blasted.  I have started to strip the frame of some of the excess metal but have run into an issue.  I screwed up a bit and put a hole in the back side of the frame pipe where one of the passenger "tranglular" set mounts was.  Only after I made the mistake did I realize the thickness of the tubing was so minimal.  I know, this was a newb move and avoidable with some more research.  My question is though how should I go about fixing this?  I will most likely have someone else do the welding as I don't have the proper equipment nor trust my welding skill.  Maybe I can get some pics to give you a better idea.  Thanks for any comments, I'm at a little bit of a stand still...
When you say triangular are you talking about the gusset plates? How big is the hole? Pix would be great if you have any. I know now that the frame is supposed to have some breather holes by the gusset plates and then at the lowest points by the engine mount brackets on the down tube (see page 4 of my build thread for details). I may be completely off here, but if you were only grinding, you may have just unclogged one of the holes. Hard to tell (for me) without the pix though...

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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2013, 02:29:54 PM »
I got to ask..
 Is the red bike in the background, an old carnival piece? Or maybe a Ridley?
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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2013, 06:35:12 PM »
Simple - yep, the factory tubing is pretty darn thin. It's like 0.016 wall thickness. Good news is that you probably haven't destroyed the structural integrity, but it does need to be welded back. Any competent welder can TIG it back or even MIG it back and fill the spot. Having the ability to see the wall thickness will help them avoid using too much heat and burning through during the repair.

Don't fret, metal is easy to fix. Once welded, it will be stronger than when it left the factory.

But; be mindful when de-tabbing the bike. The tubing is thin. Don't bear down too hard with a grinder to make it smooth. Get it close, then use a less coarse pad to smoothe out. Or you will eat through or flatten the tubing.
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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2013, 07:50:40 PM »
.60 -.62 a lot of it..
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« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2013, 04:14:13 PM »
As of late, I have gotten the frame and swingarm blasted.  I have started to strip the frame of some of the excess metal but have run into an issue.  I screwed up a bit and put a hole in the back side of the frame pipe where one of the passenger "tranglular" set mounts was.  Only after I made the mistake did I realize the thickness of the tubing was so minimal.  I know, this was a newb move and avoidable with some more research.  My question is though how should I go about fixing this?  I will most likely have someone else do the welding as I don't have the proper equipment nor trust my welding skill.  Maybe I can get some pics to give you a better idea.  Thanks for any comments, I'm at a little bit of a stand still...
When you say triangular are you talking about the gusset plates? How big is the hole? Pix would be great if you have any. I know now that the frame is supposed to have some breather holes by the gusset plates and then at the lowest points by the engine mount brackets on the down tube (see page 4 of my build thread for details). I may be completely off here, but if you were only grinding, you may have just unclogged one of the holes. Hard to tell (for me) without the pix though...

No, I'm talking about the "passenger peg" brackets or mounts.  After I cut them off I was grinding those spots clean.  My mistake was that I used a side grinder instead of a disc sander to get the frame metal smooth again.    I will try and get a picture yet for a better idea but I haven't been to my shop in a while.

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« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2013, 04:19:01 PM »
Simple - yep, the factory tubing is pretty darn thin. It's like 0.016 wall thickness. Good news is that you probably haven't destroyed the structural integrity, but it does need to be welded back. Any competent welder can TIG it back or even MIG it back and fill the spot. Having the ability to see the wall thickness will help them avoid using too much heat and burning through during the repair.

Don't fret, metal is easy to fix. Once welded, it will be stronger than when it left the factory.

But; be mindful when de-tabbing the bike. The tubing is thin. Don't bear down too hard with a grinder to make it smooth. Get it close, then use a less coarse pad to smoothe out. Or you will eat through or flatten the tubing.

I am sure I am not the first one to do this...  Unfortunately I had to learn this lesson the hard way.  Do you think that just filling in the hole with weld will suffice?  I thought maybe I should have this part cut out and replaced with a new piece...  I want to do it right though and have it just as strong as before if possible.  Standby for pictures.
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« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2013, 04:21:20 PM »
I got to ask..
 Is the red bike in the background, an old carnival piece? Or maybe a Ridley?


The little pocket bike?? I'm not sure, not mine.  It was supposed to get a weed trimmer motor transplant or something but the project was never finished, haha.
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« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2013, 04:28:32 PM »
If the hole is not that large, then it can be filled. Probably need a pico give a valid opinion.
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2014, 04:58:48 PM »
Here are those pics regarding the frame mishaps.  Any input from the fabrication pros would be well appreciated on how I should go about fixing this.  obviously I want the frame to be strong for my build and want to get this fixed the right way, thanks guys...








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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2014, 05:03:15 PM »
Also something to note, when I was taking off the rear peg brackets using the side grinder, where I was grinding has a wavy feel along the pipe  :-\.  My thought is to maybe just have the whole sections cut and replaced...

I don't know though.
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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2014, 03:08:25 AM »
Other than the hole, I don't see other damage. The welds above (shock gusset) and below look in tact. That brace is really important if you are riding 2-up. From the picture, it can be filled and ground smooth again.

If you can't weld it, then whomever does can double-check the rest of the frame for other damage. But that area is not a place likely to rust. Generally occurs at the bottom where moisture can be trapped and sits, or the frame sits in contact with the ground for extended periods while abandoned.
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Re: CB750 First Build
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2014, 11:24:56 AM »
Hi, what happened to that 16" rear wheel of yours? I'm looking for one for my '74 CB750.

Best, Mika