Topic: REFUSE to have your Drivers License scanned !

[Spanner 1]

So, lately there has been much debate and reporting of loss of privacy here in the U.S. of A....... Here's a new one I came across today. Our new local gas station is a 'Speedway' operation and instead of typing your birthday into the register when your buying beer, they now scan the bar code on the back. The bar code contains your name and address, your D.L.# and your Social Security #. None of which they need . Only requirement is that the clerk can verify that you are over 21 yrs. old, nothing else. When they type your birthday into the register the comp. figures if your over 21 and would refuse the sale if underage. That's all the law requires. Refuse to be scanned, your not applying for a bank loan, merely buying a six-pack, sheesh !!

[DH]

Did they sell to you when you refused? That sucks. But then again, they may just be
coverin their own @$$. Penalties can be stiff for selling to a minor. Then there's the "what if" factor, the minor gets wasted and kills somebody, fake I.D....slippery slope.

[SOHC Digger]

And to throw conspiracy theory #$%* into the mix, with national health-care, I could see alcohol and tobacco consumption being tracked and those individuals somehow paying for it. Not saying it's happening now, but it's definitely plausible.

[FuZZie]

We have healthcare,  drinkers and smokers do pay more but tracking is not needed, they just tax the #$%* out of them both of them!
That said we have government run liquor stores that offer airmiles a little more sneaky but still tracking.

[Spanner 1]

B.T.W.... yes they did sell me beer even tho' I refused to have my D.L. scanned, 'cos behind it all they actually know the law too and just 'bluff' their way into getting your personal info.... effin' #$%*s!..... in case anyone missed it that's Speedway gas stations, beware or don't care, up to you !

[ekpent]

Is this something that they request, or must complete for the alcohol sale transaction even if your an old codger like me as part of a company protocol ?  I do not like all that personnel information getting into these different places either. Look how well Target and some of these other places were able to handle it   

[dave500]

21?#$%* its 18 here,im guessing all them guns and light piss ant beer dont mix?

[Markcb750]

a Beer debate!!

I've never had a "real" Oz beer, but I have had a few in Germany, England, Canada, and Mexico. Plus I got to have many Gaelic beers flown directly to NY & served fresh from the barrel.

My List:

Bud Select
Budwiser
Lowenbrau (In Germany)
Guinness (fresh barrel)
Labatts (In Canada)


Oh Boy.

 

Spanner: I know what you mean, how many times have you heard do you have a My-Lowes card.  Fn jackasses we are for letting them get away with it.

Mark

[motocyconomad]

I keep waiting for some high school kids on a Friday or Saturday night to ask me to buy them beer like I used to do....never happens!!! the kids are more into popping grandmas pharmaceuticals and snorting MDMA than beers and joints I guess...I wouldn't let those #$%*s scan #$%*! And those kids are going to get that beer one way or the other!!! BEER BOOST!!! you know how fast a 16 yo is with 4 ,12 packs in his arms a truck bed to jump it and some hot ass back at the party that little #$%*er is going to have some superdooper superman skills good luck catching his ass.

I don't think we can call "big data" any kind of a "conspiracy" at this point that #$%* is fact and it will slowly be more and more pervasive as data becomes more and more a commodity that can be sold by corporations for a bonus profit with little investment.

I find now more than before that when you tell them your not giving out your zipcode or phone number for the database in the store because you cant be sure what they will do or where it will end up they are much more accepting of it. Of course I am one of those technical people that was nuts because I would tell you that all your communications are compromised and collected and that employing encryption and anonymity is what you need to do nowdays if you expect any privacy. waaaay before any #$%* came out.... ya and I'm #$%*ing nuts, right?!?!

the police state will move slow to widdle any your rights and invade your life like a tide first your ankle deep , then waist, then your up to your neck and your #$%*ed its way too late you moved to slow and your drowning because you didnt move your ass in towards shore when it was at your ankles.

[Spanner 1]

The sad thing for me is that most folks have just given-up trying to guard their personal info. I still like to know who's mining info. and when something is in my control, as in this case, I will use my right not to comply. I called their customer service and they agreed that any customer can request NOT to have their license scanned and that only the birthdate is relevant to the sale. They also claimed that the scan only reads the birthdate  .... Make up your own mind about that. It's a very slippery slope when folks stop caring about their rights IMO......

[Duke McDukiedook]

That slope done slipped a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago.

[BeSeeingYou]

the police state will move slow to widdle any your rights and invade your life like a tide first your ankle deep , then waist, then your up to your neck and your #$%*ed its way too late you moved to slow and your drowning because you didnt move your ass in towards shore when it was at your ankles.

When I read this my first thought was hey, "you're channeling Pete Seeger". 

 Smothers Brothers Show in 1968.  Censored the first time they tried to broadcast it.

Pete Seeger: Waist Deep in the Big Muddy

[motocyconomad]

this is all getting a little too subversive ...better get free speech police in here and shut this #$%* down! 

[Steve F]

I'm a firm believer to not give out information if it isn't necessary, like to retailers.  I also believe that scanning your drivers license barcode is only going to reveal to the retailer your DL# and nothing else.  They would have to be connected to NCIC computers to gain real time access to your information.  The reason for the scan is to cover their azzes in case there is a problem down the road somewhere as to whether or not the I.D. was actually checked, they would have your DL# on record....that's all.  In order for the retailer to glean any information such as your SS# and other things, like I said, would have to come from the state that issued the license.
I wouldn't worry too much about the DL scan, but still I don't think it's necessary, especially if you're an old fart such as myself and hasn't looked like an 18 year old for quite a while.

[Raul CB750K1]

They don't need to scan your driving licence to know who is buying booze. They just need the credit card info.... :-)

[BeSeeingYou]

this is all getting a little too subversive ...better get free speech police in here and shut this #$%* down! 

Interesting thing is we have far more freedom of speech now than we did back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's.  Seeger's singing in 68 on the Smothers Brothers show was initially censored because of the line near the end of the song,  "soon even a tall man will be over his head". It was a direct shot at President Lyndon Johnson who was 6'4".  Seems pretty tame by today's standard.    Also this was one of Seeger's first appearances on "mainstream"  TV in a very long time.  He was blacklisted in the 50's for refusing to testify before Congress during the McCarthy Witch Hunt hearings when they were looking for Commies under everyone's bed.

[Spanner 1]

Hah, more freedom of speech now than in the 50/60/70's ... lol!.... we didn't have anything like the info. collecting capabilities and sharing either. So the 'free speech' part is false and uncared for as all your #$%* is compiled... fight it !

[Spanner 1]

To Steve F... WTf?....... the store does NOT need your Drivers License number, ever.!! The law states that the store clerk needs to verify you are over 21, nothing else. Sorry, but Americans seem to be very lax about protecting their rights, which is downright scary IMO.... .

[Steve F]

To Steve F... WTf?....... the store does NOT need your Drivers License number, ever.!! The law states that the store clerk needs to verify you are over 21, nothing else. Sorry, but Americans seem to be very lax about protecting their rights, which is downright scary IMO.... .

To SPANNER 1:  WTF nothing.  ALL I said is that IF the store scans your DL, don't worry about it.  JEEZ you get it so far?  They don't get your personal info, They DON'T get your SS#, they DON'T know where you live.....it's just a number. 

[Spanner 1]

The bar code contains all the info. that's on the front of the license. I'm told the register in the store only 'captures' the birthdate. O.K. fine, but don't tell me that the rest of the info. is just discarded. If so why scan at all ? The info. is stored on a file with a link to the transaction in the store. So, in practice, you now need to give your name , address, D.L. # and date of birth when buying beer or tobacco, ' in case' your committing a crime 
Oh, and Happy St. Patricks Day.....

[flybox1]

The pen is mightier than the scanner. 
Just black-out a portion of the barcode so it doesnt register 

[LesterPiglet]

Land of the free?

[Spanner 1]

Already did that Flybox .... my computer savvy friends tell me that any kid with some know-how can easily modify the bar code to change their birthday!.... so the old fashioned way wins again. That is; look at my face, look at my pic. and birthdate on my license and do the math. Or if you cant do the math, then enter my birthdate into the register and it will tell you to refuse the sale if I'm under 21. That's what the law requires, not getting my personal details 'in case of a crime'.......

[strynboen]

ve give a lot of info to "them"..just bu using internet..

..or bay a phone...i have keept my telephome number seckret...but now sellsmen catch me up..the phone company sells the informasion to higest $..

money kontrolls all..but that vas not new for this germens...

Kraftwerk - Computer World HQ Audio (Complete Album)

[Markcb750]

Land of the free?

Yes in the rest of the world y'all just have not exposed how much your govenment is invading your privacy.

The only way out is to drop off the grid. which used to mean just cutting phone & power.

[LesterPiglet]

What happens if you want to buy beer and don't drive? What gets scanned then?

[flybox1]

you can get a state issued ID card.  contains the same info as a DL.
anyone can get one as long as you can prove you are you. 
one or more of the following required in most states....student ID, birth cert, Soc Sec card, passport, etc...

[Raul CB750K1]

Tinfoil hat anyone?

 

[motocyconomad]

ya dude I'll take a whole set. and a few for my cellphone too I hear it blocks it from emitting that GPS ping.
I'd rather be called paranoid than be asleep at the wheel of life!!!

[motocyconomad]

http://gawker.com/the-nsas-wizards-are-recording-every-single-phone-call-1547069331

[Duke McDukiedook]

Yean man, I read that too.
I figured when Snowden made his remarks EVERYTHING was being logged somewhere.
My friend that tracks this kind of stuff more than I do said in the early naughts that all texts were being recorded by the NSA.
I naturally thought by now they could store this kind of data by now so it is no surprise to me.

[motocyconomad]

“If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” -James Madison

[motocyconomad]

that gas station database ain't safe/secure or private ... but what do I know lets just take the statist, bootlickers words for it ok! O KEEY #$%*IN DOKI !!!!OK!


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57620226-38/nsa-system-designed-to-attack-millions-of-computers-report/

[BeSeeingYou]

Hah, more freedom of speech now than in the 50/60/70's ... lol!.... we didn't have anything like the info. collecting capabilities and sharing either. So the 'free speech' part is false and uncared for as all your #$%* is compiled... fight it !

You miss the point.  I am talking about freedom of speech and you are talking about right to privacy.  In the 1950's people where jailed, censored, and blacklisted because they refused to answer questions about their politcial affilations or those of their friends, co-workers, or relatives .  As I previously stated Pete Seeger was censored on  a national TV show because he had the audacity to suggest that the President was over his head in Vietnam.  Given what can be and is said on TV, radio, and other media these days I stand by my statement.  I don't disagree that data collection is much more invasive now but that's a different issue...right to privacy.

[motocyconomad]

free speech was the first one to fall...in that fallen state they call New York the police pepperspray girls for speaking out against the big bank bailout or how about the guy in Oakland they shot in the head with a bean bag from 15ft and flashbanged the people that rushed to aid ....all for peacefully exercising his 1st amendment right.. I read they have to pay him 4.5 million for that little taste of oppression ...and that guy was a marine vet from the latest #$%*pile debacle.... you'd be nuts to speak out in public if you are not planning on getting your ass kicked, flashbanged and peppersprayed if you don't get arrested your facial image will be in a database , you bet your hippy ass it will. We could go down the list of all of our rights and see they are slowly being pissed on.
   Point is is this. what is stated publicly is almost always a watered down version ...and if it it not, then it sure will be when the power has that talk with you about the way things are. someone told it pretty good in 1976 here:

http://youtu.be/NKkRDMil0bw


its a neverending battle with lots of distractions/games/tactics

http://youtu.be/HFvT_qEZJf8

[calj737]

Land of the free?

Not for a long time... We gave up on that experiment when the "radicals" of the 60's protested against the government's publicity campaign on the validity of the Vietnam War. Since then, there has been a steady retrograde of freedom of speech and the press. It's as bad today as it is in some other countries. Now, we do tolerate a great deal more on our TVs in terms of ridiculing our elected officials, the hyper-sexualization of content, etc. But I'm not sure that is the same thing as Freedom of Speech. Dissenting opinions are castigated, attacked, and vilified. Not sure there's any progress from the 50/60/70s as Srust claims. I just see it as a different method to the same objective.

 And there is no rational debate, we have lost all right to our privacy. Much of it is by our voluntary participation, some by virtue of neglect, and lots by virtue of cyber trespassing.

Big data is a problem with unknown dangers. Trust me, the exponential evolution of technology is becoming untenable. We are creating tools with more power than we understand, with no ability to govern their use, or limit their penetration. Citing Eric Schmidt, "The internet is the first thing "man" has created that he can't control".

And it is the core of all electronic data. Now, Planet Labs will be establishing a ring of 100 down-looking satellites to take photos of the earth in real time, every second, and transmit those back to data centers for real time analysis. Anyone see the potential hazards here?

Forget about your driver's license, start worrying about the big things...

[motocyconomad]

+1

and still...you ain't scanning #$%*!!!!!