Topic: In Plane Site

[Rocking-M]

If you have a fast download you may want to view this.
A conspiracy theory is a theory until there is hard evidence.
Then it becomes a conspiracy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5239334224660559722

[putnaja1]

Hard evidence my ass.  This is a shame- it's a shame that SOME people are more apt to believe this kinda horse#$%*, rather than the truth- that this was a terrorist attack.  If you believe 9/11 was all a sham, do you also believe that the terrorists are all made-up as well? 

What the hell happened to you, to make you think that your own country is against you?  You do realize that your country's government is not some monolith, but in fact is made up of ordinary people.  People that care about our country and love our country, and sure as hell wouldn't just stand by and let their own country attack itself.  Think about that!  This idea that the government is "Big Brother" is just like the actual book 1984- that is, FICTION. 

Some of us even witnessed the planes hitting the buildings first hand- and knew people inside those buildings that got killed.  It is an insult to me that people are spouting this conspiracy theory bullcrap.  Are you also convinced that the landings never happened on the moon?  Was that also a huge effort pulled off just to fool everyone, and somehow even though 100's of 1000's of people must have been involved, no hint of any of this conspiracy leaked out while it was happening??  That goodness for those "investigative journalists", right?

If you ever get a chance to work for a government agency (like I have), you'll know first hand that there is no way a government project could accomplish anything without the public knowing about it- big or small. 

I think the people that spout the conspiracy theories WANT to believe their country was behind it.. 

[Gordon]

Don't get started yet...  I'm gonna go make some popcorn!

[ElCheapo]

Maybe time is better spent watching Frank Chu 

The one thing about conspiracies that most miss when they are blowing thier horn and save the world. If you really were close to blowing open some cover up, you would be dead. 

[putnaja1]

The one thing about conspiracies that most miss when they are blowing thier horn and save the world. If you really were close to blowing open some cover up, you would be dead. 

Another excellent point!  If there really was some conspiracy, and the bad guys set up some explosions to kill 1000's of people, they wouldn't think twice about killing 1 or 2 photo-journalists that were gonna expose their plan..

What I want to know is, who was behind Dale Earnhart's death?  I mean, we saw the wreck, it didn't look that bad.  I want to know who was behind his seatbelt failing..  I just know it has something to do with Mark Martin, but I can't prove it- YET!  Now, that's a conspiracy theory!   

[Ratfink]

The bad guys are our government. Overthrow them, now.......Oh wait, we gave away all our power and rights. Nevermind, lets just sit back and watch as we are led into armageddon.

[putnaja1]

The bad guys are our government. Overthrow them, now.......Oh wait, we gave away all our power and rights. Nevermind, lets just sit back and watch as we are led into armageddon.

Uhm..  What powers have we given away?  We still have the right to bear arms.  We still have freedom of speech.  You are still free to travel the country as you wish, to come or go as you please.  What have we given up?  Some organization is needed so that there isn't total insanity.  Are you proposing anarchy is better?

Oops- hey, I don't want to get off the NASCAR conspiracy..  I think the US government was behind the death of Dale Earnhart..  They were worried that #3 had generated too much of a following.  Of course, *I* know the real truth!

[scondon]

Maybe time is better spent watching Frank Chu 

     Frank Chu, one of my local heroes. Saving the universe from armaggedon

[cbjunkie]

ahh...i love the smell of "REAL" truth  in the morning... 

[nickjtc]

A lot of people have way too much time on their hands to be coming up with this stuff.

I have an open mind about most things, but when people start saying that it wasn't the hijacked airliners that hit the WTC and cannot come up with a sensible (or any) explanation as to where the actual planes went, they deserve nothing but ridicule.

Occams (sp?) Razor says that the simplest explanation is usually the right one.....

[cb650]

My G/F told me one day her brother sent her a pic of the shuttle breaking up over Texas.   I was interested and went to look at it.   Disclamer at site said fuzzy pics from Israeli satellite.  First instant I seen it I laughed.   Was the shuttle scene from the movie armagedon. 
But I'm a uneducated moron and my mom does admit to dropping me on my head .



                            Terry

[Rocking-M]

Y'all are quick to jump up and down without even viewing the video.
Take a look before you leap.

[eldar]

BUt rocking, that is no longer the american way. The NEW american way is to believe what you want and attack others who disagree.

This is done by either calling them un-american, which is probably the STUPIDEST thing to say, cause we have FREEDOM OF SPEACH. How is it un-american to use your rights, even if it may not be favorable to your country? It is things like that that help to keep our govts at least somewhat honest.

Another method is to belittle the person by claiming they have no proof or want to believe something that just could NOT have happened!

I believe certain parts of our govt had a hand in 9/11. I am not saying thay all did. I am not saying it was something other than planes that crashed or peope died. Although how a plane with over a 155 foot wingspan managed to squeeze itself through a 16 foot hole, I wish someone could explain that one.  That airspace is one of the most tightly controlled areas in our country. yet THREE planes made it through to crash? I could see one, but not the rest. WHere was our air force? There are too many sticking answers that our govt has not answered BY CHOICE. 

I do feel for those that died but I also feel our govt had SOMETHING to do with it.

[Rocking-M]

Elder, something that i was unaware of about the Pentagon, hum, "crash site", for lack of a better phrase,
was the 16' hole and the lack of a crater, or plowed furrow up to the 16' hole.
I have personally come up on a f16 crash site immediately after it crashed. It left a
long furrow about 6 feet deep and the fire ball continued across the road, but none of the trees were knocked down.
I think an f16 is a lot smaller than a 757 or whatever was claimed to have hit the Pentagon.

I agree with your point also that it is not "un-american" to question the government.
In fact that is a real american stance which dates back to the revolution.
Lafayette was training american revolutionist and noted that they were continually asking
why. It is un-american now that neo-americans no longer ask; why? or how?

Ben Franklin put it like this, government is a necessary evil. Key word is "evil".
We the people of the several states must hold that evil in check.
With such documents as the Northwoods Document from the Joint Chiefs in 63,
at this point I don't see how we can unless we start over.

[ElCheapo]

Maybe time is better spent watching Frank Chu 

     Frank Chu, one of my local heroes. Saving the universe from armaggedon

At least he knows what is trully going on 

[Ernie]

You simply cant believe this stuff base one one important fact, and that is, our government doesn't possess the planning and organizational skills necessary to pull off such a attack or the intelligence to conceive it.

[CHRISF2]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

[nickjtc]

Someone answer this. Knowing that there might be hundreds, or possibly thousands of witnesses (as it was rush hour) how would these conspiracy types hope to not have somone recognise the fact that it wasn't an airliner crashing...?

[Rocking-M]

Well, Nick, I think on the Pentagon witnesses said it was missile.
All tapes of the crash/strike were confiscated and never released.

On the WTC it was described as a military aircraft with no windows.
WTC colapse was described by witnesses as a series of explosions,
such as a building might be dropped to demolish it.
Same with building 7 only much more obvious.

As to the military aircraft possibility,
I would wonder what actually happened to the folks on the flights.

[cbjunkie]

as i've said before:

IF this is true, that the government perpetrated the whole thing, then what the #$%* are you gonna do about it? blah blah blah, so what?

let me know when you start the Revolution so i can run the other direction...

[Rocking-M]

F off Junkie, you have nothing to offer to the discussion so stay out.

I read the article ChrisF2 posted. Good information.

I do agree with the responder at the end of the article.

"Wow Cathearder, Outstanding research and your post is laid out perferct. You've convinced me a 757 hit the Pentagon, now you just have to convince me that someone who learned how to fly by Microsoft Flight Simulator managed to pull off such a precise hit. I believe the pilot did spend time in a professional flight simulator but theres two problems with that.

1. His instructor didn't have high marks for him.
2. He couldn't practice the approach to the Pentagon on the professional software as it would have really raised some flags.

Again, outstanding job Cathearder, my other issues are for another thread, thanks for all your woek."

Thanks for posting it. Robert

[cbjunkie]

no, i don't think so. you can't answer the question, can you, bro?

 

[ElCheapo]

as i've said before:

IF this is true, that the government perpetrated the whole thing, then what the #$%* are you gonna do about it? blah blah blah, so what?

let me know when you start the Revolution so i can run the other direction...

I am with you on this one junkie. But really, does our government have this supposed level of organization?

I guess I have to go back to an old saying that my father said....WTF! ARE YOU DOING!!! Ohhh that was the other saying.. He said never underestimate stupid people in groups. 

[nickjtc]

Let's throw another line of reasoning into the pot. What if the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon were militarily based? But organised by 'outside entities'. Is it viable that the US government could be using the hijacked airliner rationale because if the truth got out there may be widespread panic about the lack of defence against that kind of attack.

After all, as has been repeated several times on this thread, how did the 'hijackings' or airspace incursion happen at all, given the high degree of airspace security found in the continental US?

[Rocking-M]

Nick-J, I don't think that would matter much, as the party line is that it was outside military (oops terrorist) who did
the job. And the sheep still got fired up enough to allow their rights to be trampled on by those with no regard for the constitution.

I still wonder about the furrows from the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon. Supposedly from the article posted
the engines bent over a gate on the way in. At that point about 2 feet off the ground, the engines as well as the fuselage
should have left tracks on the way into the building. I don't see any in the pictures. Also, I have seen footage of an
F4 Phantom hitting a hardened concrete wall where it left no damage at all to the back side of the wall, I'm sure it scared up the
front a bit 

As to the flipant remarks by Junkie and now his bud Cheepo,
if it was the government I don't reckon there is a damn thing I can do about it.