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Offline Kustomizer

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Ultrasonic Cleaners
« on: December 02, 2014, 01:58:15 PM »
Just wondering what your thoughts are on Ultrasonic cleaners?  I'm thinking about buying one from Harbor Freight to clean my carbs before I rebuild them and was wondering if anyone has used these and what their thoughts are on them?  I have heard some good things, but need to know if there any real negatives before I shell out $75.00 for one.

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2014, 02:09:30 PM »
Buddy of mine uses one for his reloading components and ammo - shiny ammo shoots better, you know :)

Works well for him, but it is not HF i am sure.
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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2014, 02:27:37 PM »
I have a large 7 gallon and it does what it is supposed to do.  The solution does make a big difference.  I use simple green aircraft and that really works well.  It does not make things shine like new though.  To get brass shell to shine reloaders use walnut shells in a vibratory tumbler.

If I had to do it again I would get a smaller unit do one rack then dump the solution.  Using a large cleaner you really need a filter and pump to get the most out of the solution. 

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2014, 04:01:28 PM »
Im putting the larger one from harborfreight on my Christmas list!  ;D  Everything I have read says its a good buy. I also read on multiple gun forums that it is a relabled Lyman brand cleaner. http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/case-prep/turbosonic-casecleaner.php

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2014, 05:44:13 PM »
I got this one - love it:

http://www.amazon.com/FULL-SET-DSA210SE-XN2-INDUSTRIAL-PROFESSIONAL/dp/B00BVB9D5K/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

Seems unavailable but there are lots like it at the "similar items" section on amazon.

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2014, 09:40:52 AM »
Im putting the larger one from harborfreight on my Christmas list!  ;D  Everything I have read says its a good buy. I also read on multiple gun forums that it is a relabled Lyman brand cleaner. http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/case-prep/turbosonic-casecleaner.php

correct.  I have one.  However, I no longer use it for reloading.  For brass case cleaning, I use stainless steel jewelers shot and a liquid brew in a tumbler.  Way better way to clean stuff and make it shine, shine, shine.  For carbs, I'm not at all impressed with the Ultrasonic results, and I've tried a couple of different 'juice' recipes.  I found soda blasting faster, better, cheaper.  Once you're done blasting, water rinse + compressed air and you're on to the next thing.
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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2014, 02:49:07 PM »
I have been using the one from Harbor Freight for years now and totally swear by it to clean my carbs.... I use a 50/50 solution of water and simple green works great and smell good too.
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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2014, 03:22:18 PM »
I have the HF 2.5L one. I got it with a super coupon to do a spare set of MG carbs. It's actually too small to hold the carb body, but a body from one of my 550's should fit fine.
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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2014, 07:44:50 PM »
I have been using the one from Harbor Freight for years now and totally swear by it to clean my carbs.... I use a 50/50 solution of water and simple green works great and smell good too.

Same here. Works awesome and I am saving up for a larger model.

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2014, 07:48:58 PM »
I have been using the one from Harbor Freight for years now and totally swear by it to clean my carbs.... I use a 50/50 solution of water and simple green works great and smell good too.
Same exact thing, works wonders

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2014, 08:35:48 PM »
Nothing cleans out the tiny fuel passages in a motorcycle carb body or the jets better.
I am saving up for a very large (expensive!) model that can fit an entire rack of carbs in it at once.

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2014, 03:58:37 PM »
Nothing cleans out the tiny fuel passages in a motorcycle carb body or the jets better.

Thats why im wanting to go with ultrasonic. I do some soda blasting and it does great on the out surface and bowls. Down side; messy, loud, time consuming and unable to get into all internal passages as much as I woukd prefer.

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2014, 07:47:55 AM »
Thanks, I think I'll make the investment for one.

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2014, 11:53:36 AM »
Ultrasonic is good, however it is not magic. 

There is a lot of misinformation on them and they are kind of talked about in an almost "magical" way.

Ultrasonic can clean very well but there are many variables that can affect the outcome.  I have a 3.5 gallon crest machine that was $1k+ and it can be turned powerful enough to create starburst looking patterns in the alloy, kind of looks like it got electrocuted.  That being said I usually use setting 3 out of a possible 10.

One thing it doesn't clean we'll is lacquer.  And if tiny passages are blocked with it, there is no contact with the solution, if solution isn't able to penetrate the passage you want cleaned, well it's not really going to work.

Also, ultrasonics can actually take awhile to remove some stubborn greasy, caked on spots. If you are not careful you will remove all the plating from misc parts on the carbs before you remove the gunk. If you have bad lacquer problems the plating is gone long before the lacquer.

If you have a large tank big enough to FIT a whole set of carbs in, it's still probably not going to work well because the tank size is not meant to be directly related to actual volume for normal use.  For example I may have a 3.5 gal tank but if I have four bodies it won't work as well as two bodies.

Solution can get very expensive and if they are very dirty expect to change the water a couple times!  If you are running a 50/50 solution of simple green hd, that's around $30+ in solution for a cleaning. As the solution becomes dirtier, it is less effective due to the lost energy in all the contaminants.

Our honda carbs are also treated with what looks like an iridescent coating for corrosion protection. If you use a solution that is strong enough to remove really tough grime, expect to lose that coating too. They will come out looking dull.

Basically it can work, and it has it's uses.  I still use mine everyday.  However they are a supplement to soda blasting. Don't get me wrong I would love it if I could just put a set of carbs in and that advertised cleaning while still assembled and getting into every nook and cranny stuff were true, but it's not.

The best solution is to soda blast, remove residual soda with compressed air, then ultrasonic clean.  It will get just about everything when used in tandem.

Do some research.  There aren't many videos out there to see, limited pictures, if it were as magic as advertises there would be a lot more out there. Don't get me wrong  ultrasonics can work very effectively alone in the right situations, but not as some would leave you to believe.

If you are really curious I can maybe take some pictures for you or maybe make a video later, but just remember it is a tool, not an end all solution with 100% effectiveness. If you expect that and buy an expensive machine you are going to be disappointed.

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2014, 02:03:08 PM »
I have a 7 gallon and use simple green extreme aircraft about $20 per gallon on amazon.  It works, but will make the carb bodies turn a very light almost white color.  They will not be a uniform color either.  I think blasting is the way to go for appearance, but as harisuluv says varnish inside the passages is a deal breaker.

If you use valuecraft carb cleaner from autozone (100% Metyl chloride) it will cut through varnish in short order.  Be sure to wear gloves it is nasty stuff for sure.

I really wish I had a filter for my setup.  I would use it much more.  The solution gets spent rather quickly without a filter.  When it is a muddy brown to black it needs to get changed out.

No wonder cures for carbs just hard work.

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2014, 02:56:05 PM »
Thanks for chiming in Chewie.  Lots of misinformation out there on this. 

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2014, 04:36:41 PM »
Thanks for chiming in Chewie.  Lots of misinformation out there on this.

The aircraft stuff does break up varnish, but not if it is impacted in the passageways you will have to find other means ie. wire, or other mechanical removal.  I was more than a little disappointed with my purchase. 

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Re: Ultrasonic Cleaners
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2014, 05:19:21 PM »
If your carbs are really that filthy, it probably did not run at all and boiling them in water would be the first line of defense before going further.
With ALL rubber parts removed and the carbs in tiny little pieces. Then, go to the U/S with cleaning solution and compressed air.

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