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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #150 on: January 02, 2016, 10:07:42 PM »
Mark - will the stock 550 rods be used?

Thanks for posting this thread, there are many of us interested in doing this, ncludong me.
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Yep, they will. Except, I had to obtain a new (well, different used) set, as the originals in this engine had rust in the small ends which tore up both the wristpins and the ID of the rods, all 4. Very sad! They only have 2000 miles on them. The bottom-end bearings don't even look like they have seated yet. If I'd had the $$ available, I might have considered bushing the ends, although I don't have a local shop I trust enough to do these to 0.0002"-0.0005" tolerances: they all want to do .0010"-.0015" instead. Not for MY engines...and, another set of rods came to about $40, not bad!

The Fours (all the SOHC4) are seriously overbuilt, as Honda was very scared of their new flagships producing 'loss of face' in the world marketplace. This is one of the biggest reasons why others like Kawi and Suzy were able to challenge them so quickly with Fours of their own designs, as those other "brand X" engines are more cheaply built (to be blunt about it), with materials and parts pared to their minimums, and expectations for engine life being cut way back. As the result, you don't see hardly ANY old Suzuki DOHC4 bikes today, even their shaftie versions (which weren't bad bikes!) and, despite their enormous popularity with riders and Police, you don't see very many Kawis (Z1 or KZ Fours), either. My little bit of experience with Suzy Fours being built was limited to big-bore 10:1 pistons in the GS750 chain-drive bike, and in 5000 miles it munched the primary drive (which had then 12000 miles on it). It's things like this that make the bikes we still play with practical!
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #151 on: January 03, 2016, 10:34:56 AM »

...despite their enormous popularity with riders and Police, you don't see very many Kawis (Z1 or KZ Fours)

Plz keep in mind that there were only approx 85,000 Z1's manufactured over a 3 year period compared to approx 600,000 CB750 SOHC's in 10 years.

But you are correct, the Kaw's were not known for there long engine life and many needed a top end rebuild after 25K miles. But...they sure are fast!
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #152 on: January 03, 2016, 07:06:13 PM »
But...they sure are fast!
Roger THAT!
I have a friend here in Denver who collects them. He has one for each year they were KZ1000, and 2 of the LTD versions. I once designed a new fuel-injection thingie for one of those, about 12 years ago. The LTD didn't seem to be able to run with the KZ bikes, though.

Around this part of the country, the Police are still using the KZ1000 Police versions. They are traffic interceptors for their radar speed traps, quick and maneuverable.
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #153 on: January 04, 2016, 05:50:02 PM »
OK, got the pistons into the hands of my machinist!
The crank will not have to be [re]balanced. I didn't think so: they build mostly racing engines where I have my work done and could balance it if needed, but it is not. Reason: since the mass of the crankweights is FAR in excess of the mass of these pistons, and since it is an inline engine that will not develop lateral harmonics (like V engines do) because they are already oppositely balanced laterally by 2 pistons at 180 degrees of rotation, no matter which set is at TDC. That's pretty much what I thought, based on machines that we build at work (many are cam-operated devices, with big masses), on which we swap out tooling weighing many pounds, but never have to change the dynamic weights. We actually balance the cams WITHOUT those weights.
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #154 on: January 05, 2016, 05:56:20 PM »
OK, got the pistons into the hands of my machinist!
The crank will not have to be [re]balanced. I didn't think so: they build mostly racing engines where I have my work done and could balance it if needed, but it is not. Reason: since the mass of the crankweights is FAR in excess of the mass of these pistons, and since it is an inline engine that will not develop lateral harmonics (like V engines do) because they are already oppositely balanced laterally by 2 pistons at 180 degrees of rotation, no matter which set is at TDC.
That is correct as far as the pistons and rods are concerned, but you have removed material from the crank counterweights, which affects the factory balance of the crank. A couple of grams at a 3.5" radius is a LOT of inertia at 10,000 RPM. :o 
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #155 on: January 05, 2016, 06:55:49 PM »
OK, got the pistons into the hands of my machinist!
The crank will not have to be [re]balanced. I didn't think so: they build mostly racing engines where I have my work done and could balance it if needed, but it is not. Reason: since the mass of the crankweights is FAR in excess of the mass of these pistons, and since it is an inline engine that will not develop lateral harmonics (like V engines do) because they are already oppositely balanced laterally by 2 pistons at 180 degrees of rotation, no matter which set is at TDC.
That is correct as far as the pistons and rods are concerned, but you have removed material from the crank counterweights, which affects the factory balance of the crank. A couple of grams at a 3.5" radius is a LOT of inertia at 10,000 RPM. :o 

In this case I doubt that I even removed 1 gram from all 8 weights combined. It wasn't even enough "file powder" to sweep into a pile: I picked it all up at the end by licking my fingers and dragging them along the floor to "sweep" it up. The main problem was flash from the mold edges for the weights: it was thin and just tall enough to touch the bottoms of 2 pistons of the 4. After I figured out how to file off the first one, the other 3 took 5 minutes to do (all 3), so it isn't much in weight. When I got done, I Scotchbrite-d the whole area to make it look nice and remove some of the surface rust the weights have from years of sitting in wet oil. I think more weight came off from the rust than from the filing! It completely clogged the Scotchbrite pad.
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #156 on: January 06, 2016, 03:42:31 AM »
I picked it all up at the end by licking my fingers and dragging them along the floor to "sweep" it up.

how did it taste?  :o

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #157 on: January 06, 2016, 10:20:19 AM »
I picked it all up at the end by licking my fingers and dragging them along the floor to "sweep" it up.

how did it taste?  :o

Kinda gritty, and it made my fillings light up!  ;D
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #158 on: January 10, 2016, 07:17:13 PM »
OK, got the bottom end back together, now on to the top.
...after I get back from yet another business trip the next couple of days.  >:(

The "all up" pic is a mockup, showing the paint scheme at this point. I'm probably going to polish the head's upper fin area. The non-black head will keep the cylinder temps down a bit, which will help with the high compression and thin cylinder walls. The rest of it is 'pinstriped' at this point.
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #159 on: January 10, 2016, 08:14:57 PM »
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #160 on: January 10, 2016, 08:50:18 PM »
Looks great Mark! What kind of temperature difference do think you will you see with the non black head?

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #161 on: January 11, 2016, 12:02:55 AM »
The "all up" pic is a mockup, showing the paint scheme at this point. I'm probably going to polish the head's upper fin area.

that looks nice together with a polished rocker cover. did the same on mine.

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #162 on: January 13, 2016, 05:03:56 PM »
Looks great Mark! What kind of temperature difference do think you will you see with the non black head?

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Well, here's what I learned when I did something similar with my 750: in 1973 I painted my engine (fins and head) black. I bought the bike new in early 1972, spent the next winter tinkering with it (due to midwest winter weather and sheer boredom...). My [first] wire used to ride with me a lot in those days, and she usually wore some thin bluejeans when we did. The oil cap on the oil tank just barely touched the inside of her right thigh, and we used to 'know' when it was time for an oil change (usually about 900-1100 miles) because the cap would start becoming warm through her jeans. So, she was may 'maintenance assistant' in those days...the following Spring when I put the painted engine back in the bike, we rode to Missouri to visit my brother (about 400 miles one way) one weekend. On the way down, she said the cap felt 'kind of hot', but not terrible. But, on the way home (600 miles on the oil change) in similar weather, it became so hot that it burned her thigh, inside the jeans. She complained several times: when we got home, she had a dark brown smile burned into her thigh, which became a permanent scar. (She never let me forget it: she was a long-haired looker of a biker chic, and loved to show off in her bikini: this "made a mark" she hated!). She then told me she would not ride with me until I fixed this problem, so I [re]pulled the engine and removed the black paint, making it aluminum again. Ever after that, it went back to the original routine, where it was warm while the oil was 'good' and hot noticeably hotter when it passed the 1000-1100 mile mark, very consistent. It never again got so hot as to burn her, though, even when I installed the Vetter Lowers on the fairing.

So, just from this experience alone, I can say it made around 20-30 degrees difference in engine temps, from enough to feel warm to the touch to scarring someone's thigh thru [light] denim!
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #163 on: January 13, 2016, 05:19:52 PM »
This seems at odds with what other manufacturers have experienced. Many air-cooled engines were indeed painted, black even, and no appreciable temperature issues surfaced. Currently, lots of folks paint or powder cost their engines with no adverse effect.mwhat do you suppose was so different them as to now?
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« Reply #164 on: January 13, 2016, 05:20:50 PM »
I've heard of "butt dyno's" before but "thigh thermometer" is a first!  Good story HM.
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #165 on: January 13, 2016, 07:32:10 PM »

I've heard of "butt dyno's" before but "thigh thermometer" is a first!  Good story HM.

Almost as good as an inner thigh ruler tattoo

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #166 on: January 14, 2016, 08:13:36 PM »
This seems at odds with what other manufacturers have experienced. Many air-cooled engines were indeed painted, black even, and no appreciable temperature issues surfaced. Currently, lots of folks paint or powder cost their engines with no adverse effect.mwhat do you suppose was so different them as to now?

Well, I look at it this way (when not staring at 'thigh rulers?'): when I rebuilt my own 750 this last time, I removed ALL paint from the cylinders and head, and polished just the top fin on the head, to see what the effect will be (since I often run Lowers  with my Vetter on long trips through the mountains, to stay warm!). Now, even when running with the 80-90 MPH morning traffic to work here, when I get to work (26 miles one way) the oil cap is just warm to the touch. It NEVER gets hot, even when sitting in traffic for long periods after the 'sprint' of 18 miles on the freeway. It is noticeably cooler at the cap now, and I must say the engine REALLY likes it, as it develops seemingly endless power: it always has been that when cold(er) weather came along, it ran stronger at hiway speeds. Now, I notice no difference, cold or hot days, which suggests it may be TOO cool overall. But, it will take at least 10,000 miles to find that out, so it will be a while? If it does not get hot enough, the outer 2 cylinders will wear the oval shape again, even though the bores are now cured. It did not show this wear last time, after 90k miles on 0.25mm overbore, because of this cure, but running too cold will cause it to show up again.
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #167 on: January 14, 2016, 09:46:58 PM »
Mark, don't start another oil thread!!

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #168 on: January 15, 2016, 01:32:24 AM »
Mark, interesting findings...

It may be related to the solids in the black paint versus the metal that is often in a silver paint and it take high solids in black to coat and cover with some objects as sharp edges tend to have the paint pull away from the edge. A silver paint often has metallic fine powder in the silver bonded in a clear binder. Harder to tell you have thin paint at the edges on silver when painting metal that starts off as a silver cast to begin with.
When silver covers well and lays down consistently after the first primer mist coat or two then it coats fairly quickly has been my experience with silver.
Black you have to lay down more coats to get the deep black that lasts.

The water cooled engines are a different animal in their design as the water jacket in the cylinder conducts the heat and the radiant air cooling isn't as much of an issue.

But, that said I've seen this discussion on auto motors as well.
POR engine paint is a very high solid paint (unless they changed it) and it is a paint that goes on thick...not what I would use for an air cooled motor.

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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #169 on: January 15, 2016, 05:47:55 AM »
I can tell you from personal experience that VW put nothing on the magnesium blocks that came in the old aircooled VWs.  Most people I know may paint the upper rear corner area (the only part that shows when the tins are in place) but leave the rest unpainted.  That's what I did in my Ghia. 
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #170 on: January 17, 2016, 04:14:13 AM »
A question I have which is a little off topic. The Henry Abe 605 kit has crappy rings from everything I've read. The bottom ring being a single piece ring. HondaMan, you mentioned earlier that the 3 piece rings cause more wear than the single piece ring (bottom oil control ring, right?) and the initial wear caused by the 3 piece rings contributes to the motor needing a rebuild quicker as a result.

What makes the HA kits bad? Is it just the rings? I've heard of folks modifying the ring grooves to fit a set of Honda rings. The GE 750 pistons would be a better choice from what I understand. But, there's a bunch of work to do that conversion as Mark is incurring.
So, other than crappy rings and a need to replace them, what should you do on the HA 605 kit to make it last longer?
If you are replacing rings, then where do you get another set?   Is it time to pony up for someone to cut the ring grooves to fit a set of 59mm rings from Honda? Would that be std size 750 rings?

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« Reply #171 on: January 17, 2016, 06:19:50 AM »
 The old single oil control rings have a lot more tension than a 3 piece ring....this is obvious when you try to install them in a cylinder (or on the piston for that matter). 3 piece rings are specifically called "low tension" and consequently create less friction. They go into the bore like butter.
 Rings have become thinner to and wall finishes smoother to reduce friction. You have to ask yourself if thick, heavily tensioned oil ring was better why have they disappeared in ring packs over the last 30 years? I am not saying a single oil ring doesn't work but the way it controls oil is a bit outdated. ;D
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #172 on: January 17, 2016, 06:31:49 AM »
Looks great Mark! What kind of temperature difference do think you will you see with the non black head?

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  But, on the way home (600 miles on the oil change) in similar weather, it became so hot that it burned her thigh, inside the jeans. She complained several times: when we got home, she had a dark brown smile burned into her thigh, which became a permanent scar.

Mark...this begs the question. Why didn't you wrap a cloth/t shirt  around the cap to prevent this?? ??? ;D
 Also....Roadracing World did an excellent article on engine finishes and their ability to shed heat. The article was written about 25 years ago (when the publication was pretty new) and it used measurable methods. If I remember correctly they used bead blasted, coarse sand blasted (which increased surface area), black and silver painted surfaces. If I remember correctly the black surface was the most effective. I believe they were using the Kalguard Gun Kote....the finish of choice by Yoshimura and other teams.
 I have tried to find the article as it was very good.....no luck so far.
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #173 on: January 17, 2016, 11:25:02 PM »
Looks great Mark! What kind of temperature difference do think you will you see with the non black head?

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  But, on the way home (600 miles on the oil change) in similar weather, it became so hot that it burned her thigh, inside the jeans. She complained several times: when we got home, she had a dark brown smile burned into her thigh, which became a permanent scar.

Mark...this begs the question. Why didn't you wrap a cloth/t shirt  around the cap to prevent this?? ??? ;D
 Also....Roadracing World did an excellent article on engine finishes and their ability to shed heat. The article was written about 25 years ago (when the publication was pretty new) and it used measurable methods. If I remember correctly they used bead blasted, coarse sand blasted (which increased surface area), black and silver painted surfaces. If I remember correctly the black surface was the most effective. I believe they were using the Kalguard Gun Kote....the finish of choice by Yoshimura and other teams.
 I have tried to find the article as it was very good.....no luck so far.

I'd sure like to see the article: it at least sounds like it got past the "opinion" versions I see in most articles?

The oil cap: my ex used to wear her jeans so tight that I think her legs were numb in the pants(!). Her feet often went to sleep when they were folded back on the passenger pegs, so I had to remove my Vetter lowers when she rode along, and install a hiway bar for my legs so she could put her feet on my pegs. Then I had to invent an intercom between us so I could ask her to hit the rear brake from time to time....

The oil ring question: the 1-piece oil rings are expensive to make, for sure. This is the biggest reason the 3-piece type replaced them, according to a retired engineer I met from Perfect Circle in the late 1980s (they used to be REAL big in car engine rings, I haven't rebilt a car engine in a decade, though...). The 3-piece rings have low tension that lets them wear longer IF the bore is properly honed: the machine shop you use must know that, or the difference, which good shops are careful about. I always bring my rings to my guys, as they have 8 different honing techniques and a dozen grits of stones: some of the kits we get today have chrome top rings, some are cast iron, moly, or, in some of my engines, 1-piece oil rings. The 1 piece ring takes a long time to settle in and above 7000 RPM may have trouble routing the oil from the cylinder walls into the oil holes in the ring land (so it can escape from the bore back onto the piston crown area), unless it is CLEAN. This begs the question, of course, of maintenance: if you change your oil like a good boy should, it isn't any grief. If not, the ring can let oil start working past it at high RPM, causing troubles by upsetting the 2nd ring. On the track, this is a killer.

But, on the street, 1-piece has an advantage. The advantage comes in the form of the stiffness of the 1-piece ring: it traps more of the oil under it, wetting the piston skirt slightly better, so improving the heat transfer from the piston to the cylinder. The oil that makes it to the holes in the ring lands then is under quite a bit more pressure, so it keeps those holes flushed out better: I have never seen a clogged oil return hole in a 1-piece oil ring's piston land, but see it often in the 3-piece ring versions. The holes on the latter are marginally closed off by oil debris and need cleaning if being re-used. I have also noticed that the 1-piece oil rings can still rotate on the pistons, but the 3-piece rings NEVER do upon teardown. Thus, I doubt the 3-piece rings rotate, in operation.

The 3-piece rings appear to increase the upper temps of the pistons a little bit, likely due to the lesser oil amounts on the piston skirts. I believe Honda made use of this in the post-K2 engine with the 3-piece rings as part of their 'war' on the "plug fouling problem" in this particular engine (the K0-K1 and early K2 engines (like mine) were famous for sub-1000 mile plug life). In terms of tuning, the K2 with 3-piece rings (post-3/72 production) and the K3 cam, carbs, jetting and spark advancers are all identical, but the K3 did not foul plugs like the K2 always did. Upon teardowns, the K0-K2 (early) has a thickly-coated piston crown (carbon) while the K3 engines show a thinner, light-grey center crust, sometimes even a bare spot in the center. This appears to be from a little more heat, burning off the carbon. The K4-5-6 engines show this in spades.

Another thing I've noticed in engines with the 3-piece rings: by about 20k miles or so, their wristpins are showing measurable wear while the K0-K2 engines with 1-piece oil rings have not only perfect wristpins, but seldom any small-end rod wear. (This doesn't count engines that sat for years, accumulating wetness damage). For years I thought this meant the 1-piece rings were putting MORE oil under the crown to wet those parts, until I went "DUH" one day and realized - the later engine are simply running hotter at the upper reaches of the pistons, hence the extra wear on the pins, too. Sometimes I just feel stupid...
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Re: Gentleman's Express 550 engine build
« Reply #174 on: January 22, 2016, 06:23:56 PM »
This thread isn't 'dead' yet, honest: the pistons are languishing at the machine shop, awaiting their turn in the lathe to get the crowns trimmed...  :)
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