Author Topic: More of this stuff ? (Read 5671 times)

vfourfreak · « **Reply #25 on:** November 14, 2015, 12:38:43 PM »

This is Paris today : https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ynsq5ms9lvI

I always admired the British sense of solidarity and resistance during the blitz of the 1940s, now I see it for real in my adopted country.

Fcuk off you bastaards we can create and dream more than you can ever destroy. And you will never win. Dick heads.

Kev

PS bet there was no virgins waiting for you either. Disappointed ?

petercb750 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 14, 2015, 01:41:08 PM »

Yeh saw that on the news this morning....very poignant moment, and still those words, now nearly 45 years old, ring true and relevant.

Hope the virgins are fat ugly and lesbians.

vfourfreak · « **Reply #27 on:** November 14, 2015, 01:50:46 PM »

Thanks Pete.

Had no idea my ex had passed on and was available for martyrs. (Black humour)

Une bougie à chaque fenêtre ce soir.

Kev

05c50 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 14, 2015, 02:52:40 PM »

Terrible, terrible news, prayers go out to all of France . I have a son and daughter in law that live in Paris and got a call from them today (thankfully) and they are Ok. They spent about 4 hours in the basement of a restaurant near the theatre. My daughter in law is quite upset, but unhurt. Ironically, I also have a son who is an Air force pilot and is currently deployed to the Middle East. I never thought that I would be more worried about the one in France than the one in the desert. It is a sad day.

............Paul

vfourfreak · « **Reply #29 on:** November 14, 2015, 03:06:10 PM »

Quote from: 05c50 on November 14, 2015, 02:52:40 PM

Terrible, terrible news, prayers go out to all of France . I have a son and daughter in law that live in Paris and got a call from them today (thankfully) and they are Ok. They spent about 4 hours in the basement of a restaurant near the theatre. My daughter in law is quite upset, but unhurt. Ironically, I also have a son who is an Air force pilot and is currently deployed to the Middle East. I never thought that I would be more worried about the one in France than the one in the desert. It is a sad day.

............Paul

Agree and I hope your son and daughter in law are Ok, and remain so. Sadly, now, everybody is in the front line. These bastaards don't give a toss, for sure they killed some Muslims amongst their many innocent victims last night, in the name of their prophet. To make a point ? Terroism is just vile. Fixed my neighbour's computer today - they are Muslim and shocked.

All of France is hurt today.

Kev

edwardmorris · « **Reply #30 on:** November 14, 2015, 05:04:52 PM »

Terrible terrible news indeed (sorry I'm just getting caught up), and glad you're safe Kev. These scum aren't exactly after making any points and honoring their prophet. What they're after is making it impossible for Muslims to thrive in Europe and the West at any cost. Your act of kindness in helping out your neighbor given the current state of events gives one hope that they will never succeed.

mick7504 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 14, 2015, 05:53:25 PM »

There are not a lot of words that can be spoken at present Kev.
You all know who is standing by your sides as one.
The strength of character of every person who believes in peace and humanity will prevail.
There is a long journey ahead without a doubt.

BPellerine · « **Reply #32 on:** November 14, 2015, 07:04:42 PM »

too bad that the same people that countries try to help end up biting the hand that feeds them,what makes us think they will ever like the western way of life no matter what you do.just like you cannot take a wild animal and feed it and then expect it not to attack you.leave them where they are!

martin99 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 15, 2015, 12:29:36 AM »

News is coming through of the first confirmed Brit to die in the attacks, a young man selling merchandise at the theatre. He originates from Colchester which is a ten minute drive from me. Although I didn't know him, it feels kind of personal knowing how close his family are and the grief they are feeling - I can relate to their pain with acuity. Once the shock-factor wears off from these attacks and others like them, when these kunts pat themselves on the back for a job well-done and move on to plan more massacres of innocents elsewhere, this is what they leave behind without a further thought. So far, 128 grieving families and counting.
These people are worse than animals. Apparently at least one of them entered France via Greece, using the cover of the movement of legitimate refugees from Syria. So another reason, for some, to argue against offering help to some of the most desperate and traumatised people in the world. Xenophobia or a justified view?
This is what these fcuktards want. Not content with murdering people they seek to divide, to encourage hatred everywhere. I would not normally advocate meeting violence with violence, but these individuals do not have any place in a civilised world and should be eradicated.

petercb750 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 15, 2015, 12:32:29 AM »

Well put martin.

chewbacca5000 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 15, 2015, 10:27:32 AM »

I am very sad to see this as is everyone else. This down right cowardly imo. The thing that is most frustrating with this type of action is that it is not like traditional war where both sides line up and shoot it out and declare a victor. It is just the killing of innocent people that have nothing to do with politics. Without the burden of governance they are free to roam around and behave like savages. A sovereign nation would never dream of attacking another sovereign nation as they know they would have alot to loose. What do these guys have to loose? They want a violent response to spread their gospel of hatred to recruit more fighters.

Let's hope the best peace makers among us are able to bring this abhorrent chapter in our lives to a close peacefully without more innocent people getting needlessly killed. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of France in this most difficult of times.

simon#42 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 15, 2015, 11:04:15 AM »

not a big fan of ebay but i notice they are giving 5% of there profits [ in europe ] this weekend to the families of the dead and the injured ,
i canot see them making more money for doing this so i am assuming this is a proper decent gesture .

chewbacca5000 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 15, 2015, 02:24:35 PM »

Is it true the first wave of Syrian Refugees landed in New Orleans today? I read many of them are not women and children but men of fighting age 18 to 48? Is there any truth to these statements?

BPellerine · « **Reply #38 on:** November 15, 2015, 03:55:09 PM »

if that is true ,the gov need a big slap,it is all over the news how easily you can get into countries without even an id,just give your story and they have to accecpt it ie I am fleeing Syria!our governments cant even provide the people in our countries with a life ,why take more!bill

dusterdude · « **Reply #39 on:** November 15, 2015, 04:00:42 PM »

Its just started people,obumma has a whole bunch more of his muslim friends coming in

chewbacca5000 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 15, 2015, 04:51:43 PM »

Quote from: dusterdude on November 15, 2015, 04:00:42 PM

Its just started people,obumma has a whole bunch more of his muslim friends coming in

I would like to hear from a member in New Orleans as I don't trust the mainstream news media at all. I don't believe fox news or huff post. I am all for helping people who need it like defenseless women, children and the elderly, but the young men os Syria should be over their fighting for their country.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #41 on:** November 15, 2015, 05:50:16 PM »

Quote from: dusterdude on November 15, 2015, 04:00:42 PM

Its just started people,obumma has a whole bunch more of his muslim friends coming in

Really duster ?, this is an extremist problem, a religious problem, not a Muslim problem. Do you tar all white folk with the same brush every time theres a mass shooting in the USA..? You do know white American men kill far more Americans than the whole death toll from terrorists world wide...? Lets have some perspective here and not trash Kev's thread with political bullsh1t..

chewbacca5000 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 15, 2015, 06:24:17 PM »

It is very easy for ISIS fighters to hide in the crowd of refugees and no one will know it until a bomb goes off. Keep the problem over there and let the men of Syria and Iran fight ISIS.

Allowing mass groups of people to migrate around the world will only spread this stuff around.

chewbacca5000 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 16, 2015, 03:56:18 AM »

I agree with Cal. In a traditional war at least we know who and where we are fighting. Terrorism thrives in an uncertain climate of fear. Bringing male refugees of fighting age 18 to 45 into the western world only creates more uncertainty and fear as terrorist hide in the packs of refugees. Europe's open border policy from a security standpoint is a disaster.

Helping women, children, and the elderly is one thing, but the young men of those countries need to be fighting ISIS the same way my grandfathers both fought the Nazis in WWII.

edwardmorris · « **Reply #44 on:** November 16, 2015, 09:10:12 AM »

@Kyle, it is unlikely that its true, I trust the US authorities to raise a red flag if it truly were the case. If anything, it is more likely that that particular age group of males will be subject to more scrutiny and rigorous screening.

@Cal, just to correct you a little bit, Muslim is not a religion, Islam is. Muslims are those who follow the religion of Islam, just like Christians are those who follow the religion of Christianity.

There is no arguing that these extremists need to be eradicated, but it is important to make the distinction between extremists and Muslims. With the former, you're talking about eradicating a few thousand (who desperately deserve it), while the latter, you're talking roughly 1.7 Billion (many of whom are also the victims of extremists).

chewbacca5000 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 16, 2015, 10:39:55 AM »

Quote from: edwardmorris on November 16, 2015, 09:10:12 AM

@Kyle, it is unlikely that its true, I trust the US authorities to raise a red flag if it truly were the case. If anything, it is more likely that that particular age group of males will be subject to more scrutiny and rigorous screening.

Can you personally guarantee everyone's safety that none of these men of fighting age 18 to 45 will do no harm to anyone? Why aren't they over there fighting ISIS? What is the Muslim / Islam community doing to combat ISIS.

edwardmorris · « **Reply #46 on:** November 16, 2015, 10:46:00 AM »

Quote from: chewbacca5000 on November 16, 2015, 10:39:55 AM

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Can you personally guarantee everyone's safety that none of these men of fighting age 18 to 45 will do no harm to anyone? Why aren't they over there fighting ISIS? What is the Muslim / Islam community doing to combat ISIS.

I can't. I don't think anyone can. They've fled their country, so I doubt they're capable of fighting. They've fled to avoid getting slaughtered.

As for what the rest of the Muslim world is doing about it, I must admit it is regrettably very little.

vfourfreak · « **Reply #47 on:** November 16, 2015, 10:48:23 AM »

Strange day here today. Most normal routines went by the board. Increased security at, amongst other places, schools like the one I work at. There are provisions that automatically kick in if the Vigipirate state is raised. A bit like defcon. No classes today, teachers were to devote all time to letting the kids express themselves as best they can and to give answers to any questions raised. I could hear what some of the kids (in the 12 to 16 age group) were asking, and it was clear that most of them just cannot understand what happened and why. Bear in mind that probably more than 20% of the pupils are in schools in this region are Muslim.
School outings are cancelled and there are parking restrictions near schools. And public markets have been cancelled for the time being.
As Cal says, these guys have to be eliminated at source. At the moment they can strike anywhere, and will, but killing groups of them, or having a group kill themselves after a massacre is just like chopping off one of Hydra's heads. Someone is going to have to go in to where they train radicalised young Muslims and stamp them out.
I sense there is an appetite in France to do just that.

Kev

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #48 on:** November 16, 2015, 10:55:37 AM »

Quote from: dusterdude on November 15, 2015, 04:00:42 PM

Its just started people,obumma has a whole bunch more of his muslim friends coming in

Really? REALLY???!!!! This #$%*?
I don't care much for the current POTUS much but this kind of comment is out of line and complete BULL#$%*.

vfourfreak · « **Reply #49 on:** November 16, 2015, 02:03:11 PM »

Seems like opinion is swaying in the opposite direction : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34835353

A kneejerk, but possibly understandable reaction. But one that unfortunately is unlikely to offer a guaranteed solution.

I don't know how far back in history you have to go to understand this stuff, but the destabilisation of the middle east in the past few decades seems to me to be like the destabilisation of the balkans in the early 20th century. And that led to some schidt. I'm no expert, just musing, while we wonder here what in the hell might happen next.

The school principal came to me in a tizz this morning saying the school's security cameras have not worked in ages, could I have a look. This in a provincial south of France town of 7,000 people. People are scared.

Kev

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