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1976 CB750F project
« on: March 28, 2016, 09:11:39 AM »
Hi Guys,

Im about to start a cafe racer conversion of a 1976 CB750F into a cafe racer look. But before that I would like to ask the best book for an engine rebuild of the 1976 CB750F engine. One that gives you a step by step process on rebuilding the engine and other repairs.

Here is my 1976 CB750F.


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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2016, 09:19:05 AM »
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2016, 09:39:11 AM »
So this covers the 1976 cb750f then? Can you confirm? Any other books to suggest?

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2016, 10:06:44 AM »
The book was written for the K bikes, but the 76F engine internals are nearly identical to the K's.
I built my 78F engine with this book as my guide.  The process is the same for F and K bikes.

The HONDA shop manual is the only other material you should have on-hand. 
Download links are in the Manuals thread in the FAQ section of this site.
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2016, 03:18:18 PM »
So do you also mean that the step by step process in the book are the same? Only the spec sheets between the k and f are different, correct?

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2016, 04:19:50 PM »
The muffs were just temporarily removed if you mean to say on my cb750f. I have a different plan on it. Perhaps going for 4-2 mufflers.

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2016, 04:36:07 PM »
So do you also mean that the step by step process in the book are the same? Only the spec sheets between the k and f are different, correct?

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For engine rebuilds...yes...this is exactly what I am saying  :D
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2016, 04:54:40 PM »
Ayt then. Ill check out the book from the link you gave me.

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2016, 04:55:02 PM »
I kept this on my PC, you may find it useful:

Hondaman says:
The sum differences in the F3 engine vs. the K5 are:
1. The cam has more lift and 5 degrees later intake duration (but same dwell).
2. The F3 has the lightened cam sprocket.
3. The crank is slightly different, but not enough that you will notice unless you try to install a K crank. You work on it just the same, though.
4. There are only 6 rubber drain-hole dowels in the cylinder deck in the F3 instead of 8.
5. There are cap nuts on those same engine studs that have the drain-hole dowels, in the F3. The K5 has normal nuts.
6. The pistons are unique to the F2/3 engines. Earlier pistons don't fit well, because the F3 head also is much larger in the chamber (to fit the F3 valves), so the compression comes out low if you swap pistons with the K engines. You have to find other pistons, like the ones I use: I modify the SOHC750 (1979-1982) to fit, as 1.00mm overbore size instead.
7. The carbs are PD style, more complicated in assembly than the earlier ones. They work the same, except Keihin added an accelerator pump to improve on the throttle lag of the post-1975 bikes. The F0/1 suffer the most from this issue.
8. The F3 clutch is like the F0/1/K7/8 clutch, with a double-steel "slipper" plate in the stack, usually at position 4, and at least one slanted-cut-cork plate to ease the search for Neutral when hot. This is like the last of the K6 bikes, which had F0 clutches.
9. The F2/3 use a 630 size chain and do not have a drive-chain oiler.
10. The head casting will not accept the front cam chain slipper from the earlier engines unless you file away the inner side of the cam chain tunnel to clear the tensioner. If you need a slipper tensioner today, this is the "fix", as the former shorter ones are hard to find. It works fine, I've done many. It takes about 5 minutes.

That's about all the differences there are. It's the same general design, but with less overall spark advance, smog-control carbs, better-breathing (and shorter-lived) valves and guides and a bigger combustion chamber to let the valves breathe more. Oh- and it has a PCV canister under the battery box to keep the oil fumes from exiting the engine breather pipe - so the spigot on the back of the engine is a different size than on the K engines. Overall, it made about 5 HP more than the K0-K1 early engines did.

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And that is the most extreme difference in SOHC CB750.  The  book is a great guide for rebuilding your bike.
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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2016, 03:49:15 PM »
So here is my checklist then as of 31Mar2016 :

1. Hondaman's " My CB750 Book"


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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2016, 03:50:30 PM »


So here is my checklist then as of 31Mar2016 :

1. Hondaman's " My CB750 Book"


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Any other books you can suggest for1976 cb750f reference?

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2016, 04:59:36 PM »
Hi Guys,

I would like to ask the best book for an engine rebuild of the 1976 CB750F engine.

Welcome! Are you sure the engine needs a rebuild?
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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2016, 06:06:22 PM »
 70CB750,

RE: 8.

The F/F1 has the earlier clutch WITHOUT the double steel disc. That is a 77/78 F/K part. I just installed a 78 K clutch and it's matching basket in one 75 750F along with the matching clutch cover and a double steel plate upgrade in my other 75 750F. That would be a mistake in the book. The parts book shows the last few F1's DID upgrade to the 77/78 clutch around s/n 58,800'ish.

I also recommend getting a Honda brand Factory Service Manual
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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2016, 06:19:11 PM »
  I see your jugs on the engine are painted and detailed out a little. Good chance the engine has been out of the frame before. See if there are any signs of it ever being apart yet.
   One thing I always recommend in these situations where its been worked on etc. is to check the serial number of the engine just to make sure that it is indeed the year and model that you think it is and not a swap.

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2016, 07:30:08 PM »
Already checked and identified already. Its ftom 1976 cb750f. Some of you might not recognized it basebon thr photo since the tank has been changed and the seats are changed as well as the side cover. But definitely the nos i have from the engine and the frame are matching those of the 1976 cb750f

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2016, 07:31:24 PM »
@70Cb750 i sent you mail

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2016, 07:35:17 PM »
Once again, how do you know if the motor needs to be re-built??
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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2016, 07:38:24 PM »
Thats why im getting the book of hondaman to inspect first the engine.

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2016, 07:53:10 PM »
Have you tried to start the engine? The bike looks fairly complete, and in good condition.
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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2016, 07:56:27 PM »
It is but its got leakage already and the clutch is slipping as well. Its been opened before but was not removed from the frame. It was just to detail and clean it. It deserves to be rebuild after how many years its been running.

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2016, 08:00:34 PM »
A fellow here has over 150,000 miles on a similar model, without a rebuild. ;)
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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2016, 08:04:45 PM »
Very true. I just wanted to do a rebuild to nake it live linger without waiting for parts to get problems which may result to a bigger repair or much worst could be unrepairable instead.

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2016, 08:20:45 PM »
Guys im gonna need another recommendation of books that i can use as reference as well. @70cb750 you have posted images of books on some posts where there is a comparison of cb750 k and f. What book is that?

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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2016, 08:48:47 PM »
Guys im gonna need another recommendation of books that i can use as reference as well. @70cb750 you have posted images of books on some posts where there is a comparison of cb750 k and f. What book is that?

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The two books you should have are the stock shop manual (PDF download available if you search google), and Hondaman's book.
You could also get a Clymer, if you want.. it may have a few more pictures that could help.  I have one of those as well and I rarely look at it.  Hondaman's book and the shop manual are my two main books.

I'm also going to suggest you tune the bike up and ride it around a while before you open the engine up.  Otherwise you are likely to go down the rabbit hole of assuming everything needs to be replaced... potentially confusing normal wear marks for problems (which don't really need to be fixed).  It helps to know if the bike was shifting well, popping out of any gears, exactly where the leaks are, any odd noises, and what the compression numbers are... before opening up the engine.  This way you know what was working ok and what needs attention.

I understand the desire to rebuild the engine to bring it back to new performance, and as a fun learning experience... but keep in mind there are a lot of opportunities to introduce a problem that didn't exist before when you take apart the engine and reassemble it.

Good luck!

Edit:... to more clearly answer your initial question... your 76F engine is very very similar to the K6 engine, which is covered in Hondaman's book.  The later F engines were a little different.  Basically, I would consider Hondaman's book to cover you bike.  I also have an early F.
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Re: 1976 CB750F project
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2016, 09:00:00 PM »
It is but its got leakage already and the clutch is slipping as well. Its been opened before but was not removed from the frame. It was just to detail and clean it. It deserves to be rebuild after how many years its been running.

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It HAS been removed from the frame if it was opened up. Exception: The ONLY way to take the top end off IN THE FRAME is if it's had a frame rail kit installed. Most of the time the engine comes out is due to internal damage or to do high performance work on it. If it's been worked up and it really doesn't need 'fixing' then you have a good chance of opening up a can of worms finding after market performance parts to 'fix' it.
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