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Offline harisuluv

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2016, 10:29:01 AM »
Well often times carbs can be "fixed" by replacing aftermarket parts with OEM brass.  Specifically the jets.

The part I circled does not look round to me, but it's supposed to be round.  You don't have to take it out, you just have to inspect it.  It's out of focus so I can't say for sure.

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #76 on: June 27, 2016, 10:54:48 AM »
Great, I will take a look at that needle jet again before i try re-installing on the bike.  It might just be the angle because i seem to remember them being all around and OK.  Where is the best place to buy OEM jets?

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #77 on: June 27, 2016, 11:00:03 AM »
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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #78 on: June 27, 2016, 11:45:54 AM »
Ok Good news is I fished through the box random parts that the PO gave me and found in an unlabelled little box *most* of the original carb parts.  As expected everything is gummed up with old gas so im cleaning the pilots out now and soaking the jets.  Ill replace everything I can that looks to be aftermarket with these once they are clean along with the new carb boots, air boots, and clamps and try again.

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #79 on: June 27, 2016, 11:53:01 AM »
all OEM main and pilot jets should be stamped with the Keihin K
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #80 on: June 27, 2016, 02:50:15 PM »
These most definitely are marked with a "K" the only weird thing is that the main jets are two different sizes - I have two keihein 110 and two keihein 125.  The aftermarket Main jets are all 110.

Is there any reason or history of a CB750 coming from factory with 2 different size main jets ?  I am going to stick with the aftermarket 110s.

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #81 on: June 27, 2016, 02:57:36 PM »
No.  All main jets should be the same size, and all pilots should be the same size.
Stick with the Keihin 110's.  You'll have to order two more.
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #82 on: June 27, 2016, 04:50:23 PM »
I have 6 110 jets - so i should be ok however i will order 4 keihein 110s to replace the aftermarket ones.

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #83 on: June 27, 2016, 05:00:53 PM »
Did you find the original needles?

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #84 on: June 27, 2016, 05:17:47 PM »
Yes!  All 4 needles they have a "017" stamped on them?

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #85 on: June 27, 2016, 05:20:33 PM »
What you pictured is an aftermarket part.  Looks like they didn't install the needles from the kit.  D17 is a keyster or derivative part.  You should check the needles currently installed for the # on them and also to verify the are in the right spot.

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #86 on: June 27, 2016, 06:04:12 PM »
Good to know. The clips are in the middle position on the needles as currently installed. What would the needles be stamped with if stock ?

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue - Help!
« Reply #87 on: June 27, 2016, 06:31:40 PM »
I am trying To wrack my brain about what has changed from when it ran fine and the only new thing is the petcock. Is it possible this could be part of the problem ?  It is a brand new petcock but not the OEM one.
If that's when the problem started, it's certainly worth a look!
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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2016, 02:43:08 PM »
it looks like we have the same carbs and jet sizes and I have a cb750. Anyways when I was rebuilding my bike I had the same issues. After gapping my valves, adjusting my chain, bench sync carbs, gapping points and timing the f mark. I was getting the same popping and stumbling, bike was running lean.

A few things That I had to go through was that my exhaust headers weren't sealed right, exhaust fumes were coming out after it would warm up, had to retorque. A couple of rubber boots had a hairline crack, bought new boots. Carb bench sync were wrong and had to redo and lower the slides to the point of almost closed. I had diachii points, needed to get Tec points and new condensers. I also checked my spark plug caps and wires and trimmed the ends to make sure my plug cap had fresh copper/contact and that caps weren't cracked because those thing get really hot and I heard they can cause funky issues. I feel like I'm missing one more step but can't remember.

I read ur thread and the only thing that stuck out was that you never mention if you gapped ur valves and in ur picture the carbs slide seemed a little higher than what I got but I can't really tell, for all I know they could b all the way down. One thing I do know u r running lean. My plugs are light chocolate brown, the colors change during spring and fall, I think they change the recipe in the gas up here when winter moves in..
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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #89 on: June 29, 2016, 05:52:46 PM »
Thanks!  So I will go over the stuff I have done so far -

Brand New OEM Honda Carb Boots, Clamps, and Airbox Boots
Brand new Pamco Electronic Ignition
Cut back Spark plug wires and reconnected and tested all Caps they are roughly 5k Ohms give or take some (NGK caps)
I have re bench synced but I will do another vacuum sync tomorrow
Replaced the slow jets with the original jets that came with the bike #40s.
Fiddled around with air screw settings over and over with many idle plug chops and just cant get it right.
Tested coils and they both test for 5 ohms. 
Timing is dead on at the F mark but the advance seems to not fully advance anymore it sits just a little before the first of the | |  marks. 

Popping at Idle still persists and on decel - ONLY WHEN BIKE IS WARMED UP and has been ridden for about 10-15 minutes.  The only things I see i could check again would be the carb sync and the exhaust headers - by torque them down you mean where they connect to the engine correct?  The problem seems to really kick in once the bike is hot.  WHen i pull the plugs after riding for about 15 minutes 2-3 are usually charcoal black and 1-2 are kind of just brown ish/ whitish


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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #90 on: June 29, 2016, 05:54:11 PM »
Also - Gapped my valves they are all set to the standard gaps

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #91 on: June 29, 2016, 06:02:20 PM »
Really looks like the brass I pointed out is damaged..

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #92 on: June 29, 2016, 06:06:38 PM »
Hi Harris!  I did reinspect that needle jet before reassembly and it was indeed the same as the other 3 - could not see any visible damage or warping :/

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #93 on: June 30, 2016, 05:19:51 PM »
I assume everyone is as stumped as I am but what would be helpful as a next step?  Videos / Pictures of?

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue - Help!
« Reply #94 on: June 30, 2016, 06:12:07 PM »
I am trying To wrack my brain about what has changed from when it ran fine and the only new thing is the petcock. Is it possible this could be part of the problem ?  It is a brand new petcock but not the OEM one.
If that's when the problem started, it's certainly worth a look!
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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #95 on: June 30, 2016, 06:52:04 PM »
Hey Scottly - Yes ufortunately i went back to my previous petcock with no change.  I also tried another petcock i had laying around in a parts box that is a few year older model petcock. :(

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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #96 on: June 30, 2016, 07:29:35 PM »
Sorry if you stated you switched back to the stock petcock and I missed it. Hey, I missed the statement that the problem started with the switched petcock, too. :-[
Still, a basic rule of trouble-shooting is if it was working before a change, and then quit working as soon as the change was made, something got messed up at that time. Since your symptoms occur after the bike has been run for a length of time, it still sounds like a restricted fuel delivery, unable to keep up when the bike is going down the road. What else did you do when you changed the petcock, that you haven't already checked? New fuel lines, routing, filters? 
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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #97 on: June 30, 2016, 10:07:02 PM »
Hey Scottly!   Thats ok this is a long thread and sometimes i do something to the bike and forget to mention it also - im a bit all over the place at times. 

So since the problem started I have changed quite a few things - some for the better.  Here is a Short list of new parts

-Pamco Ignition
-Carb Boots
-Air Box Boots
-Petcock
-Clamps for Air Boots and Carb Boots
-Keihein Slow jets #40
-Air Filter
-Oil, Oil Filter Bolt, Oil Filter
-Spark Plugs

Here is a short list of the things ive done:
-Sprayed Carb Cleaner to check for Air leaks
-Cleaned Carbs 4 times - soaking and mechanical
-Tested Coils 5 Ohms
-Tested Caps around 5k ohms give or take (NGK)
- Cam Chain Tension
- Clear Tube Tests
- Idle Plug Chops
- Set Electronic Ignition timing - dead on at F mark but advance isnt full finishing it at just before the | | marks
-Gapped Valves
-Compression around 120 across all cylinders
- Just recently tried tightening the Exhaust header clamps
-Switched Petcocks around
-Gas cap on/off Running
-Vacuum Sync - although still have to do this for most recent carb rebuild
-Trying different A/F mixtures with air screws
-Oil Change, Oil Filter Change


As a caveat I am a new mechanic - just one year under my belt - and I coud be doing some of these things not entirely correct.  Particularly I may be gapping the valves incorrectly, turning the air screws too much - never knew exactly what "one turn" means in particular.

Bike seems to run best when it has brand new spark plugs and then after about 20 minutes it runs like garbage. 




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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #98 on: June 30, 2016, 10:14:16 PM »
Run the bike 'till it runs like garbage. Pull the plugs and post pic's of 'em.
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Re: Backfiring / Timing / Carb issue CB750 - Help!
« Reply #99 on: June 30, 2016, 10:23:45 PM »
Will do this tomorrow!  IM going to buy another set of Plugs hopefully autozone has 4