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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2017, 08:21:16 pm »
They been mentioned before on here, most of his stuff is overpriced..
These however are a bit closer to real pricing than his other parts.
For one, these may be Italian Webers, new ones aint and they are 400 each.
The chrome if its good,may be a plus.
So manifolds generally 100-200 ish.. So 400 x2 plus 200.. Is near the ballpark...maybe..
 But I aint paying that.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2017, 09:43:35 am »
Doesn't look like he's sold any of his stash. OBO doesn't seem to stop?? Too bad there isn't a time limit to OBO.
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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2017, 09:55:33 am »
He has dropped the prices a bit over time.
But I think the prices are too high to warrant any offers.

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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2017, 12:18:01 pm »
Thats a shame.  Think he's one of those american picker types that might have paid too much for em and doesn't wanna lose his arse on a flip?

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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2017, 02:08:46 pm »
For those prices, are they carburetors or afterburners?
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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2017, 02:48:56 pm »
Market is CRAZY soft right now across the board.
Or so it seems.


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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2017, 05:29:02 pm »
looking at the price of his rc block,I don't think he thinks the market is soft!bill
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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2017, 05:44:54 pm »
I thînk I rebuilt the RC unit.

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2017, 05:52:28 pm »
I thînk I rebuilt the RC unit.
Yeah but he used old style MTC heavy, clunky pistons. That copper Oring looks very proud. Could fit somebody into my block for less with modern pistons.
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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2017, 06:10:13 pm »
I meant the the dizzy

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Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2017, 01:15:56 am »
Why buy the old outdated stuff when there are a lot of better new alternatives? New  and recently made for our CB's provided by APE, MRieck, CycleX, Dynoman and others. Old stuff do a better job on a shelf in an old biker's garage or a museum.
I have seen HA 900 piston kits  of the70' they want more for than a NEW JE kit from a later millennium ! ???
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2017, 03:37:04 am »
Period correct stuff is just cool!

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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2017, 04:21:33 am »
The Webers are visible and most likely still a good carburettor. And look cool.  I understand people that restore there old tuned engine with same parts. The pricing of the old internals, not visible is another thing, though.


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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2017, 05:41:45 pm »
I thînk I rebuilt the RC unit.
that explains why I thought I had seen it before,bill
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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2017, 12:46:13 am »
How exactly do the weber carbs tune up?

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2017, 02:18:06 am »
Do you mean, are they hard to tune ?
 Not really, if you have a lot of the jets, which luckily I did.
They have more circuits, than a lot of other carbs, so less overlap of function..maybe.
Also you can change the chokes easily... Aka venturi size.
Ball bearing throttle shafts..light throttle pull.
They use a butterfly plate, like a CV carb.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2017, 03:27:57 am »
Expensive garage art.............  :P
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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2017, 03:39:59 am »
I had one on a street ported rx-7. If I could get that thing to idle and rev nice, it's possible on anything.


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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2017, 03:44:55 am »
That is the beauty of Webers, SOOOOoooo many options for tuning.


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Re: Russ Collins Webers
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2017, 04:12:46 am »
So what are the whizbang magic features?  Wouldn't more pathways be a negative in long term use?

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2017, 06:21:51 am »
Some people do fear them because they have a reputation for being "complicated".
But really they are super versatile and have been used in millions of applications.
Just look at how many older cars ran some version of the DCOE.
Also there are a few other carbs like delortor DRLA (?) and Mikuni/Solex PHH that share the same mounting patterns of a Weber.

I cant think of much "magic", other then being able to change jets without draining the carbs or removing them, that would really matter.



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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2017, 08:03:56 am »
So what are the whizbang magic features?  Wouldn't more pathways be a negative in long term use?

If you think about it, they are the last carbs you would ever need to buy and long as you have the tuning parts. Why? Well Let's say you have an internally stock cb750 engine running a perfectly tuned set of webers, and you decide you want to go to 836cc, port your head, and run a high lift, high duration cam. Instead of buying new carbs to accommodate the increase in intake flow capacity, you would just change the venturi sleve (on webers they are sometimes called the choke but they aren't like a cold start choke). For a 40 sized weber carb body, you can vary the venturi anywhere from 24-36mm. Think about it, that's like being able to turn your stock PD 28mm carbs into 36mm carbs to feed your overbored over cammed engine without having to buy another rack.

Impressed yet?

the other thing is that they have 1 jet feeding multiple circuits, and the size of the venturi helps meter the fuel through the vacuum pulled through it. So think about it - you could increase the venturi size 1 size over the optimal street size and push the power band top heavy. You'll make more power but it will all be upper RPM range - great if you are running a big open banked high speed track like Daytona where you will spend most of your time almost at redline, or you can go one size under optimal street size and push the power band more to the torque-y bottom end of the spectrum to run a short tight road course. And it takes something like 30 minutes total to do the change over. By playing with jet and venturi sizes you can come up with a combination for nearly any engine in almost any terrestrial atmospheric condition.

Finally I think Weber DCOEs only have 3 moving parts, and almost all tuning and adjustments can be done with the carb installed on the engine.

Don't get me wrong, modern Fuel Injection is still better than any carb, but when it comes to the old mechanical tool that is a carburetor Webers are king. 

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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2017, 11:50:33 am »
Another plus , big squirting accelerator pumps that you can adjust.
Really huge difference in throttle response.
 They dont by design wear like a slide carb.
 One day at the track I did at least 15 jet changes...no spilling or draining of gas... Change at least 2/3 of your brass parts, at least 5 or 6 different components... In 6 minutes or less on all four cylinders.
From the top, no gas leakng out, I prop my rear of tank up with a ciggy package.
Tools needed..one stubby screw driver and your fingers..
 Will I switch to something else on a hotrod 750.... Not in this lifetime..
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2017, 05:16:47 pm »
I really like mine,they are a nice setup if you like the look,and better than stock carbs for response,but there are modern carbs that perform well too,but don't have the vintage factor that I like.bill
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2017, 08:36:54 pm »
So what are the whizbang magic features?
In addition to the already mentioned adjustability, the Weber is supposed to do a proper job of mixing fuel and air at a lower pressure differential across the venturi than most carbs, and was considered to be the next best thing to fuel injection, which requires no pressure differential at all. The emulsified fuel from the main circuit is delivered through the "bomb site" in the auxiliary choke, in the center of the airflow where the velocity is high, rather than the needle jet at the bottom of a slide carb, where the velocity is low.
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2017, 08:53:52 pm »
I was getting 53 -56 mpg or so on my wore out 836, on a 1900 mile trip.
Buddy riding with me on a stock K8 750 always bought more gas than me..

 Sometime we have folks on here struggling to ge better than 45 mpg.
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2017, 02:42:08 pm »
That's why a lot of guys with rotary motors run them, because they work really well in the higher rpm areas and that's where the rotary (and most motorbikes) excel.


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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2017, 03:41:03 pm »
Webers can be great. I'm building a 428CJ for my 69 Mustang with them. They are 48IDAs. I used a 45DCOE on a Lotus years ago. Worked well but was a bit sensitive to altitude. Never thought about them on a bike.
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2017, 04:59:29 pm »
That's a lot of air moving right there.


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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2017, 06:46:25 pm »
Damn!  What a motor!