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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #125 on: October 28, 2017, 08:20:03 AM »
Save that CT70 seat pan if at all possible. Those Thailand replacement pans are not as good as the original pans from Honda. Thinner metal and less precise fitment.

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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #126 on: October 28, 2017, 08:42:55 AM »
It will be. It's mostly surface rust. And I'm not worried about saving the decals.
Sweet!  I have a small stable of rebuilt, "overbuilt" :) ct 70's.  Most recent is a 108 stroker on 12 inch wheels that will do 70mph.  New decals and almost any other part you need is readily available.

 What sprocket combo are you using? I'm set on the Piranha 140 and 12" wheels.
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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #127 on: October 28, 2017, 08:43:46 AM »
Save that CT70 seat pan if at all possible. Those Thailand replacement pans are not as good as the original pans from Honda. Thinner metal and less precise fitment.

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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #128 on: October 28, 2017, 09:01:44 AM »
 Got the last few tiny bits in and have the S90 about 99% done.
 I had to order a replacement rear wheel in the correct 18" size. I'll kiss your butt if they ever had that 17" wheel on there correctly. The axle wouldn't tighten up properly, and there was evidence that hard parts had been touching hard parts. Even the sprocket was wavy!
 I just need to charge the new battery and repair a couple of wires where, once again, someone had done a crappy job with the old battery. Then I'll be ready to hear it (hopefully) run for the first time since '73-74!



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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #129 on: October 28, 2017, 12:33:25 PM »
Save that CT70 seat pan if at all possible. Those Thailand replacement pans are not as good as the original pans from Honda. Thinner metal and less precise fitment.

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Which is rough?  The seat or throwing things away?   ;)
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« Reply #130 on: October 28, 2017, 03:39:35 PM »
I hope you come back to that blue. It's a great color!
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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #131 on: October 29, 2017, 07:14:52 AM »
Off the top of my head I believe I am currently running a 16/33 combo.  The ease of putting in the Piranha 140 is tough to pass up and it will run strong.  I have a Lifan 145 in my overbuilt ct90 and it runs well.  Almost as strong as my 108 stroker.

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Nothing replaces stock but I have found the CHP reproduction seats to be excellent quality.  I am sure you have already found this site but just in case.
http://www.hondaminitrail.com/

It will be. It's mostly surface rust. And I'm not worried about saving the decals.
Sweet!  I have a small stable of rebuilt, "overbuilt" :) ct 70's.  Most recent is a 108 stroker on 12 inch wheels that will do 70mph.  New decals and almost any other part you need is readily available.

 What sprocket combo are you using? I'm set on the Piranha 140 and 12" wheels.

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« Reply #132 on: November 08, 2017, 06:53:27 AM »
 Last Sunday was "fire up" day for the S90.... but no-go. It has no spark and, after some testing, I found out that the coil is bad. It tested good on the bench but seems to have given up the ghost after I put the juice to it for the first time since 1974.
 It's surprisingly hard to find the correct coil for a '65 S90. Specs are hard to come by, and there are literally dozens of 6V coil options out there. Some of the Honda singles ran DC voltage to the coil, some AC. Then there's getting one in the right Ohm range. I found one that I think will work and have it ordered.
 I dropped off the Mikuni carb with Rick at Old Skool Carbs. I cleaned it, and you'd think it couldn't get much simpler, but apparently the Keihin carb that was also available is a better carb with better parts availability. I'm having trouble getting the replacement bowl gasket to seat and the only genuine Honda gasket I can find is in Denmark. The float has been soldered on and the needle valve could probably use some work. Rick will get it right and I don't have the patience to mess with it.

 Speaking of patience...
 I tried to swap out the points on the CT90 this morning with some genuine Honda points. But the Honda points I was sent aren't even close to fitting the plate. That means I undid all the tiny bolts and washers and set the points gap and timing over and over again this morning only to put the old points back in. I hate messing with tiny stuff. I can't see, my fingers get clumsy and shake, and I drop stuff. Over and over.
 But I got it back together and it's running fine again.
 I did straighten out the wiring and got the turn signals and lights working properly. It even seems to run better with the good ground and soldered connections.

 I'm also waiting on the last box of parts for the CT70 and I can start bolting it back together. I change my mind daily, but I think I'm just going to clear coat over the old paint, patina and faded decals. That keeps me from getting new chrome fenders, tail light, etc. Parts are cheap for this thing, but it's gotta stop somewhere.
 And the last box of parts will show up right when I have to go back to work. Overtime is brutal around the holiday and football season.

 So....lots of stuff done, nothing really accomplished, more waiting. Put 'em together, take 'em back apart again.

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« Reply #133 on: November 08, 2017, 04:39:30 PM »
At 70 years old messing with tiny stuff is trying :-[  Things that used to take seconds now take multi-minutes :(...Larry

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« Reply #134 on: November 08, 2017, 06:03:48 PM »
 I'm only 51 and the tiny stuff has bugged me for years. I was diagnosed with essential tremors in my 20's. If I can see my hands shaking, it's BAD. I've had people ask me why I'm nervous or what not and I don't know what they're talking about. I shake to some degree when I'm at my calmest. I don't even see it and it doesn't affect me.....until I'm trying to solder or connect teeny tiny parts. Then I have sausage fingers and I shake like an epileptic. Not really, but might as well be.
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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #135 on: November 17, 2017, 02:47:57 AM »
I think I would build a tank to put the frame in. You put together a temporary box that has only 4 sides and then a large heavy plastic sheet is inserted into thhe hole in the center and fill it with your water and washing soda mix (not baking soda) and then setup your sacrifical anodes to exchange for the rust.  It attacks all the rusty metal without plating everything.  Several of the anodes in the tank and cleaning the smut off them a couple times a day is good.
That I think is the best method of killing the rust inside the frame where you can't reach.  Stripping the paint first will also address the details of the swollen packs.
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It would be really nice to have a tank large enough to soak that in MetalRescue or such to prevent destruction of the stickers and stripes. But that frame needs to be derusted to be salvaged long term...  :'(
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« Reply #136 on: November 17, 2017, 03:47:17 AM »
 I tried to clear over the patina after polishing it out a little. I prepped it but, apparently, not well enough. The clear ran like water and looked like crap. If I'm going to the trouble of sanding it back, I'm halfway to prepping it for paint. Dropped it off with my guy yesterday. It will be media blasted and prepped/painted professionally. Stay tuned.

 I also pulled the S90 engine to replace the "bad coil" and found out that I had two wires swapped in the coil/condenser/points circuit. No wonder I had no spark!
 Swapped those around, checked everything again with my meter, all looks good.
 I used alligator clips to ground the battery NEG and rigged up a wire from the battery POS to the black wire on the multi pin connector. Laid the plug on the head and turned the engine over by hand, using the kicker. I have spark! Nice, bright, blue spark!
 Now I just have to get it all back together and try again.

 Oh....and I took the Ascot out for a while yesterday since it was 65 degrees in South Carolina. 😁
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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #137 on: November 17, 2017, 06:12:45 AM »
S90 first start video?  Silly, but those first start videos are appealing.  Hope?  Encouragement?  Inspiration?
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« Reply #138 on: November 17, 2017, 06:45:43 AM »
 Gotta put it back together first. And just started day one of an eleven day stretch at work. Might be a little while.
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« Reply #139 on: November 17, 2017, 09:23:22 AM »
Sorry, must have been failing asleep, address any issue with rust, stripping the paint on the CT frame beneath the paint is what I meant to say...  sometimes that pesky rust demon is under paint and it is early stages before starting to bubble up.  It is like a spider stretching out beneath the paint.  Chemical strip of the paint will show any of that.  Sanding the paint off would erase any evidence of that.

Expanding quite a bit of what I was saying...but did not express it with the brain fart.
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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #140 on: November 30, 2017, 11:26:18 AM »
  Took 4 petcocks and made one good one, got it and the carb to stop leaking. Checked for spark on the bench, got it all back together and tried again.

 The GOOD news: Started on the 2nd kick! Settled into a nice idle, no smoke or odd noises.

 The BAD news: Leaks like the Exxon Valdez from the base gasket. GRRRR!!! Guess I'll be pulling off the top end again. It never ends.




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« Reply #141 on: November 30, 2017, 11:29:53 AM »
 Took the CT90 out yesterday (and ran out of gas...good thing I was only about a mile from home, uphill...so I could coast most of the way home...and the bike is light). I also took out the CB500 and VF500.



 Today, I sold the Tiger. Sort of sad to see it go, but it was a LOT of bike. I have nothing but great things to say about the Triumph triples.
 In order to keep me from buying a Scrambler or a Boogie Van, I rode the Ascot to the bank and deposited the money into CD's. That'll dissuade me for a little while anyway!
 Took the long way home and enjoyed the 66 degree weather.
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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #142 on: December 02, 2017, 10:19:46 AM »
 Did the 600 mile tune up on the silver 500/550 Glutton bike today. All of the valves were loose (and I could tell from the sound). Also adjusted the cam chain, changed the plugs and advanced the timing a bit, from about 28* to 32*.
 Man, what a difference. So much quieter and smoother and pulls a little harder up top.
 I'll get closer to 1,000-1,500 miles and change the oil and filter.

 We also pulled the top end off the S90. There was no "smoking gun".
 The dowel(s) are there. There's only two. Lower RH at the case and lower LH between the barrel and head. There are no spots for any other dowels.
I'm guessing that the aftermarket base gasket is just too thin and didn't seal. I have a new Honda gasket coming and I'll try again.



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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #143 on: December 02, 2017, 10:24:58 AM »
Took the long way home and enjoyed the 66 degree weather.

oh shut up. we've had the first frost here!
that ct looks nice, though.

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« Reply #144 on: December 02, 2017, 05:13:59 PM »
Took the long way home and enjoyed the 66 degree weather.

oh shut up. we've had the first frost here!
that ct looks nice, though.

LOL! We are in the 70s here in California.  Perfect Winter weather.
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« Reply #145 on: December 03, 2017, 12:30:17 AM »
i'm not listening to any spoilt california boys any more. not until i come out of hibernation again!

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« Reply #146 on: December 03, 2017, 07:46:59 AM »
i'm not listening to any spoilt california boys any more. not until i come out of hibernation again!

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Re: The Lost Socket Garage
« Reply #147 on: December 03, 2017, 07:53:13 AM »
  Took 4 petcocks and made one good one, got it and the carb to stop leaking. Checked for spark on the bench, got it all back together and tried again.

 The GOOD news: Started on the 2nd kick! Settled into a nice idle, no smoke or odd noises.

 The BAD news: Leaks like the Exxon Valdez from the base gasket. GRRRR!!! Guess I'll be pulling off the top end again. It never ends.





When I finished my s90 build, it leaked like crazy from seemingly everywhere. It was hard to find decent gaskets for it. Every time I would fix one, another spot would start. After replacing most of the gaskets multiple times, I finally got it.

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« Reply #148 on: December 07, 2017, 01:50:25 PM »
 The continuing saga of the 1965 S90....

 Pulled the engine and rebuilt the top end using a genuine Honda base gasket and some Permatex. Use the factory nuts on the head studs instead of the pretty acorn nuts, just in case they weren't fully seating/torqueing.
 Completely reassembled the bike and tried to start it. No-Go. Not getting spark. Dammit!

 The only way to truly test the ignition system is to, you guessed it, drop the engine. Put it on the bench and everything was as it should be. Tested the main harness and the coil/condenser/points circuit. Was able to produce spark on the bench. Reinstalled the engine....sans muffler, chain, foot pegs, etc., this time...and it started first kick.



 And leaked oil.

 After a closer examination, it appeared to be leaking from the top corner of the clutch cover. Very near that cylinder stud I suspected (and blamed) the first go round. Pulled the clutch cover (Thank DOG I didn't have to drop the engine to do that!) and found a mismatched gasket.
 This being my first S90 rebuild, I didn't know there is a large oil passage there, right off the oil pump. It blew out the gasket and was pumping out oil. This is probably another one of those weirdo S90 things where they used ten different gaskets. It's obvious to me know, but I didn't catch it upon rebuild.
 Now, off to find the right gasket...

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« Reply #149 on: December 24, 2017, 05:04:19 AM »
 Since we lost 10 days of forum, I'll go back over a few things.

 Fixed the leak on the S90. It runs pretty good but can be a bit tough to get started sometimes. I'll go back over the valve adjustment and timing. And there's a bad ground or loose wire or something on the tail light. It's intermittent.

 
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