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Saddam Hussein - hanging is BS
« on: January 02, 2007, 10:22:23 AM »
If you look for the footage on any video site you will see the videos is incomplete. One of the most important events and we have spotty and incomplete footage. I bet if I stole a f'in stick of GUM at the f'in Walmart they could tell you how many fillings I had before they found me.

A chance for real footage and it is done in the dark. I say Saddam Hussein is no more dead than Noriega.
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2007, 10:58:39 AM »
yea,that was bush(no pun intended) league camera work.a 6 year old kid could do better than that.then the pic of his "dead" body,looked like it was taken with a brownie
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Re: Saddam Hussein - hanging is BS
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2007, 11:54:31 AM »
well, I say not bad for a camera phone.

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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2007, 12:00:22 PM »
if they wanted to stage it it would be better quality.  (think the moon landing)  and they would have had lots of really good stand ins to choose from.  come to think of it, i wonder what all those saddam look-alikes are doing for work now?  the need to verify the execution was just something the tv networks threw out there to try and justify airing the debacle.  i guess it was focus grouped to be distasteful?
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2007, 03:14:59 PM »
if they wanted to stage it it would be better quality.  (think the moon landing)  and they would have had lots of really good stand ins to choose from.  come to think of it, i wonder what all those saddam look-alikes are doing for work now?  the need to verify the execution was just something the tv networks threw out there to try and justify airing the debacle.  i guess it was focus grouped to be distasteful?
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2007, 03:19:46 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2007, 03:30:21 PM »
wow are you both really so trained trained to dismiss dissent as conspiracy theory?  and to answer your question PJ, no i dont think they were faked, i dont think about them at all, but as an example of something people believe was staged, due to their scrutiny of the archival footage.  my point was that the corporations running our country would never stage something poorly given that knowledge and their mastery (and ownership) of the tools of production (video production, not marxist Produktion, BS)  but perhaps their ruse neednt be so convincing if the population has been instilled with such a pavlovian respect for the official story.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2007, 04:37:55 PM »
He's not dead. I think it was fake. And ya the poor quality video proves it. If it were real it would have looked right.Just think of ohh Running Man, mabey. It seems every time the media blast you with something more repulsing than the last we all become desensatized to it.Now we have a National Broadcast of a person being hung ; in a stairwell . I guess we can expect friday night lights at the penatentury soon? Mabey fry a few (bad people) of course over the nightly news at supper?????   Anyway I think it was a fake and yes the MEDIA has just served up another plate of in your face nothing is Taboo anymore and the worse it looks the better.


Gee I wonder how much a comercial spot would be on a reality hanging T V show ???

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2007, 05:03:25 PM »
Nah, he's dead alright guys, he was from the time he made an attempt on George Bush Snr, but the poor dumb schmuck just didn't know it. He's as much a victim of 9/11 as the "falling man". RIP Saddam, you should have run when you had the chance!  ::)
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2007, 05:37:00 PM »
my point was that ALL friends of the Bush Admin are in bad ways. Nice to be their friends.

And if this "hanging" was such a big deal, you would think that there would be better video of it. There is not. It is little better than surveillance videos from #$%*ty $20 cameras.

They have cameras that could pick out my face from 6,000 paces but could not illuminate the under floor area? And make a image that was worth a shyte. The videos released are little better than high school drama class quality.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2007, 06:11:07 PM »
KK, why would you say that I am trained to ignore evidence or that I am Pavlovian in disregard for the truth?  On the contrary, I was trained to collect evidence, analyze it and make informed opinions and decisions.  Others follow the same procedure and arrive at different conclusions.  This is dissent.

Conspiracy theories, by themselves, are in no way the same thing as dissent.  Conspriacy theories generally work in opposition to both Occams's Razor and the scientific principle.  Occam's Razor informs us that in most cases, the simplist theory that adequately explains a phenomena is the most likely to be true.  By definition, conspiracy theories require greater complexity than is evidenced.  Conspiracies do exist; however, statistics dictate that the larger the conspiracy, the more likely it is to unravel because each new member presents additional risk that the conspiracy will become public. 

Conspiracy theories generally work against scientific principles because the lack of evidence for the conspiracy is presumed to be evidence that a conspiracy exists (i.e., The perfect conspiracy leaves no evidence; therefore, if we have no evidence, we must have a perfect conspiracy.)  Lacking adequate evidence to propose a theory, the conspiracy theorist nevertheless proposes a theory and then collects evidence to support that theory.  Having made a prejudgement, the theorist approaches all new evidence with prejudice.  Furthermore, there is a financial incentive for conspiracy theorist because conspiracy theory sells in the form of books, appearances etc.  One writing a book about a conspiracy would certainly present evidence only as it support the theory.

Let's look at the evidence here.  We have a grainy video.  It is possible that the video was taken with a camera phone; therefore, under the best of circumstances, the video quality would not be great.  In this case, it is also possible that the filmer had to take the video surreptitiously in order to avoid detection and possible punishment.  If we have a grainy video, then we would wish that qualified experts make reasonable judgements about what actually occurred in the video.  Even if we had such experts examine the video, we would still require outside evidence because panels of experts have been fooled before (whether or not there was intentional deception). 

Thus, we look for other evidence.  Let's assume that the video seems to indicate that the execution was faked.  The premise itself is ludicrus.  In terms of motive, who has something to gain by faking Hussein's execution?  He derived support from the Sunnis; however, it is questionable that they would look to him as a leader now.  Instead, it is quite possible that Hussein is more valuable to the Sunnis as a martyr.  As I see it, neither the Shiites nor the United States has anything to gain by keeping him alive.

In terms of means, many of those present -- in addition to those carrying out the execution -- are Shiites.  Certainly, Shiites would be extremely unlikely to cooperate in any scheme to keep Hussein alive.  To the contrary, keeping Hussein alive creates the risk of discovery and repurcussions.

On the other hand, we could have a conspiracy theory.  Our evidence is the fact that the video of his execution is grainy.  Therefore, we jump to the the theory that the execution was faked.  Now, we only need to figure out why and by whom.  Given some time, effort and selective evidence, we could find that evidence.

KK, this is what I, and many others, bring to such a story.  I am neither trained to accept the "official story" nor am I Pavlovian in desire for an "official line."  I read and evaluate.

my point was that ALL friends of the Bush Admin are in bad ways. Nice to be their friends.

EC, I consider myself a friend of the Bush administration.  I guess I'm bad in ways. 
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Re: Saddam Hussein - hanging is BS
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2007, 06:17:14 PM »
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Experienced or professional, please explain crappy video for one the most important exonerating moments for the bush admin. I can tell you If I was head of it, it would be in full sun, in a readily viewable area for all of the news crews.... Sick or not there would be no doubt.  8) I might even show up to hang from his legs.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2007, 06:24:02 PM »
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Experienced or professional, please explain crappy video for one the most important exonerating moments for the bush admin. I can tell you If I was head of it, it would be in full sun, in a readily viewable area for all of the news crews.... Sick or not there would be no doubt.  8) I might even show up to hang from his legs.

There are a slew of possible reasons.  You need only look for them.  On the other hand, if you convince yourself that the reason is that there is a conspiracy, then you're stuck.  Futhermore, reason goes out the window, and you begin looking for other evidence of a conspiracy.
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2007, 06:30:27 PM »
I heard rumors that Geraldo Rivera was about to make a special announcement.......... ;D

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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2007, 06:30:55 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2007, 06:50:37 PM »
You have to have enough credible evidence to show Iraqis on both sides of the civil war that Saddam is indeed dead, but you don't want to parade his head on the end of a pike to further inflame supporters (as if that matters any more).  So you allow a "bootleg" video to be smuggled from the gallows.  It was the lesser of evils.

Now that everyone is overwhelmed by the power of my logic, the board should become quiet on the matter.

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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2007, 07:07:05 PM »
You have to have enough credible evidence to show Iraqis on both sides of the civil war that Saddam is indeed dead, but you don't want to parade his head on the end of a pike to further inflame supporters (as if that matters any more).  So you allow a "bootleg" video to be smuggled from the gallows.  It was the lesser of evils.

Now that everyone is overwhelmed by the power of my logic, the board should become quiet on the matter.

Nah mate, opinions are like asssholes, either you've got one, or you are one, or both. The whole trial was a farce anyway, the US government had to find a crime that he'd committed that they weren't somehow implicated in, then dispatch him before anyone could prove that it was just more BS like the "WMD" lies..........

They didn't try him for "Crimes against humanity" for gassing the Iranians or the Kurds back in the early 1980's, because the Germans made the gas from British chemicals, the French supplied the planes that "delivered" it to the victims, and the US supplied the satellite weather data and information on the best time to deploy the gas.

Of course, back then Saddam was America's biggest allie in the Middle East, and of course, was installed by the US government after the CIA "offed" all of his opposition................   ;D
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2007, 07:14:05 PM »
Don't you just love the photo of him shaking hands with good ole Don Rumsfeld?  ;) We seem to have a knack for repeatedly picking them. By now you would think we would stop meddling.
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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2007, 07:44:56 PM »
 I theorize that Saddam was NEVER alive, and I do mean never. I think he was dead all this time and the only real part of the video is the part at the very end where he is dead (not alive). If you need proof just watch the documentary "weekend at bernies". I also believe hangman was none other than Richard Simmons.

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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2007, 08:00:45 PM »
I theorize that Saddam was NEVER alive, and I do mean never. I think he was dead all this time and the only real part of the video is the part at the very end where he is dead (not alive). If you need proof just watch the documentary "weekend at bernies". I also believe hangman was none other than Richard Simmons.

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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2007, 08:19:19 PM »
I, for one, think it would be handy to have. It would make the other forums more to the point and it would let the argumentative among us have someplace to vent.Can't say that I would want to be the Moderator though,That would be a full time job!

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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2007, 08:32:25 PM »
I theorize that Saddam was NEVER alive, and I do mean never. I think he was dead all this time and the only real part of the video is the part at the very end where he is dead (not alive). If you need proof just watch the documentary "weekend at bernies". I also believe hangman was none other than Richard Simmons.

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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2007, 08:33:52 PM »

if they wanted to stage it it would be better quality.  (think the moon landing)  and they would have had lots of really good stand ins to choose from.  come to think of it, i wonder what all those saddam look-alikes are doing for work now?  the need to verify the execution was just something the tv networks threw out there to try and justify airing the debacle.  i guess it was focus grouped to be distasteful?
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2007, 09:26:07 PM »
Hey the whole sorry affair could be summed up thus:


For the want of a good SOHC.............


Who knows? Had ol' saddam had an old honda perhaps he wouldn't have taken up some of his more socially unacceptable hobbies.

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