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Re: 1976 Honda CB550
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2019, 04:36:31 PM »
You're moving so fast, I'm jealous. Are you retired? Anyways I'm jealous of your rolling chassis. I feel like once I get there I can relax a bit.. until then all the parts boxes and no bike is a little stressful for me.

I also just sent my disc to True Disc. yours looks great. I painted mine before sending it because I didn't want to touch the new surface. Hopefully he is gentle with the new paint i put on there.

Can I ask about polishing the hubs? I don't need to respoke my wheels so I am trying to think of a good way to polish (lightly, not to mirror finish) with spokes still on.

oh,I also wanted to ask about plating - do you have to clean the parts first, or do they get cleaned in the process? Thanks!
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Re: 1976 Honda CB550
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2019, 07:37:37 PM »
I’m in same situation don’t want to respoke but want cleaner hubs. May take the wheels off and get them vapor blasted


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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2019, 03:00:37 PM »
You're moving so fast, I'm jealous. Are you retired? Anyways I'm jealous of your rolling chassis. I feel like once I get there I can relax a bit.. until then all the parts boxes and no bike is a little stressful for me.

I also just sent my disc to True Disc. yours looks great. I painted mine before sending it because I didn't want to touch the new surface. Hopefully he is gentle with the new paint i put on there.

Can I ask about polishing the hubs? I don't need to respoke my wheels so I am trying to think of a good way to polish (lightly, not to mirror finish) with spokes still on.

oh,I also wanted to ask about plating - do you have to clean the parts first, or do they get cleaned in the process? Thanks!

No, LOL, I wish I was retired. I only work on the bike on the weekends and even then there are distractions. Happy Wife Happy Life, can't forget that other people in our lives don't think that these projects are as important as we do.

For me it is just put your head down and do it. And, know where to pick your battles. What does that mean? Well, the person that  taught me my trade imparted some great wisdom to me. "If it's in your way, stop analyzing it and get it out of your way, you are wasting time" I see it all the time in our HVAC Trade. 2 guys on a job that has a bad compressor debate about how to remove a compressor through an opening under the electrical panel. The electrical panel has lots of wires and looks too complicated. It takes about an hour total to remove and reinstall the electrical panel, they spend 3 hours screwing around and then end up removing the panel anyway.

Take wheels for example. If your spokes and nipples are in very good shape then I would just take the time to remove them all, clean them, polish the hubs, reinstall the spokes and nipples, and true the wheels. Then lean the wheels against a wall and admire your work, this is a weekend job and not tough to do. By the time you try and polish a wheel with the spokes on, the aggravation factor will not be worth the effort, nor will be the results, IMO. But, if you put your head down and tackle the job methodically you can end up with a very nice finished product and less aggravation. If your spokes are questionable the Bucahannons will look great.

I will try and post some more detailed plating pics after this weekend when the cases are being cleaned.
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Re: 1976 Honda CB550
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2019, 03:13:11 PM »
I tried everything to get it out including ...repeatedly yelling at it, nothing.
I think I heard you all the way over here at my place  :-\ I hate sh!t like that... hand turn a LH bit to just barely grab it? (I know you already got it out, just offering a possible solution)

Yup, learned yelling at an inanimate object is much better and less expensive then taking physical actions such as throwing something. Golf taught me this.   ;D
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2019, 05:10:51 AM »
Woo-Hoo Paint is started!   :D

Love knowing stuff is moving along even while I'm not in the workshop. Kevin and Wayne from K&W Auto in South Windsor, CT are handling the paint for this project.




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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2019, 02:47:40 PM »
Cases have been cleaned, cleaned, cleaned, and then cleaned again. They were then painted in VHT Universal Aluminum which I think is a dead ringer for OEM. The cases still need to be baked in the oven at home for a couple of hours to cure and be resistant to fuel and other chemicals, just need the Wife to step out a bit for that.

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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2019, 02:53:17 PM »
A mystery was solved today. Remember this guy I found in the oil pan?




Well, I tore the motor apart and could not find it. I was hoping to find it after a thorough inspection but then thought, hmm, what's the easy way out here? I saw my buddy Paul Milliken Friday Night and piqued his interest. Paul works for Pratt and Whitney chasing down problems with jet engine failures and this was just up his alley. He said, " You keep working on taping up the cases for paint and I'll just look through your parts bags". Sure enough he found that it was a piece broken off the primary cush drive hub. Don't know how that would happen as it does not looked like a stressed part. On to Ebay for a donor. I hope the photos explain it well.








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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2019, 07:56:35 AM »
Some guys have asked for a more detailed explanation of the plating process so here are some pics and what happens. I use The Caswell Kit. There are other plating methods and easy homemade recipes out there that probably work just as well, this is just what I use. Anyway you do it the prep work is what will determine if you have a good finished product.

Here are some upper case bolts as they came off the bike.





First stop is sand blasting. I use sand and glass sometimes but for bolts that have corrosion on them the sand works better.



Next step is the wire wheel. This will give you a smooth finish and that is one thing that makes a bright finish bolt.




The bolts are then put on Copper wires for the process. I use 18 GA thermostat wire stripped for the wire.




It's then to the degreasing pot. This pot is a porcelain lined pot, you don't want a metal pot as it can contaminate the process. The degreasing powder is from Caswell but I have used Tri-sodium Phosphate from the hardware store with fine results. The solution is heated to 200 degrees on a hot plate and the parts sit for 15 minutes.




All of the water used in the process is distilled water.



After the degreasing step the parts are sprayed off with distilled water. They are then attached to the copper hanger rod and dipped in the tank. The tank has 2 Zinc plates positioned on both sides of the parts. There is an aquarium air pump attached to an aquarium air stone that serves as an agitator for the solution. The solution is heated to 110 degrees by a submersible heater.





This is the power supply I have had forever and use. The gauges are burnt out but it keeps on going. You don't need this and can rig up a car battery system to control the power. Negative is to the parts and positive to the Zinc plates. For these bolts they stay in the solution plating for 30 minutes.




This is a key component for bright parts. I put in a couple of tablespoons with each plating batch.





Then it is out of tank and rinsed off. If your stuff comes out Gray you can brighten them up on a wire wheel but after a few years they will Whiten a bit which is normal. The Brightener helps prolong the bright look. I wire wheel all the bolt threads to clean them up after plating. On nuts I run them through a tap to clean up the threads. This helps parts to go together smoother. Hope that explains it a bit but I can't emphasize enough how important the prep and cleanliness is to the process for good results.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2019, 02:09:03 PM »
Hmmm, I guess we really did need those double ovens she wanted.   ;D Wife is in SC so now is a good night to grab a pizza and bake some cases. They are getting baked at 235 degrees for 2 hours and the plan is to start assembling the motor tomorrow.





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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2019, 02:45:32 PM »
Hmmm, I guess we really did need those double ovens she wanted.   ;D

I always wanted double ovens, even more so now!
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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2019, 07:38:11 AM »
Another CT resident??
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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2019, 02:51:32 PM »
Another CT resident??

Yes, Ellinington
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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2019, 03:55:21 PM »
Started engine assembly today. I use as much information as I can when putting stuff back together. I can't remember crap these day. Important stuff like how parts go back together, did I order a gasket set and seals? Do I have beer at home?

It sucks getting older, seems I can always remember what I had to pay my ex-wife for that great emancipation though. Maybe when I take stuff apart I should smack my hand with a hammer so it hurts like that and then remember where stuff went? But I digress. Anyway, I bag and tag everything and then lay the parts out on a clean rag in the order they should be assembled. I also used on this project both a Haynes Manual and A Honda Factory Manual. Neither is a great manual but that is what we got.

Oh, and not sure I mentioned this, these Hefty Zipper Type Storage Bags are the way to go. Ziplock Bags Suck, Period. These bags have a secure zipper on them. The squeeze together triple lock stuff is crap. After awhile in a box full of bagged parts they will pop open leaving small pins and other important stuff mixed in with other important stuff that you now have no clue what went where. Life is Short Buy The Good Bags.




And the lower end is assembled. It is always nice after this process to feel the crank and tranny turn freely. Still, Gremlins can be everywhere so it pays to be vigilant and test as you go along.





The Neutral Switch didn't pass inspection. The switch had a contact broken off and I Silver Brazed a spot of 15% Silver Braze to take it's place. It seems to be working well according to the meter but I may look for a replacement.



The cylinders are baking now so maybe we can get an engine in the frame tomorrow. Thanks for following along.


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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2019, 06:14:28 PM »
Good update John, cases look great.

Life is short, dont buy crap, period.  Especially bags, tires, booze, etc!
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2019, 01:25:49 PM »
Good update John, cases look great.

Life is short, dont buy crap, period.  Especially bags, tires, booze, etc!

Certainly words to live by Steve, I learned it long ago, especially about the beer. When I rode Enduros I had a buddy who was a hell of a good rider but got flats constantly, it was a PITA when we would be trail riding. He thought it was how he was changing tires. I changed a tire with him and when we got the tube out is was a WTF is this cheap POS moment. I just assumed he was running Quality UHD Tubes because that's what you run here in New England rocks. He said, "Hell no, you know how much those things cost?" I finally convinced him that enjoying what free time he does get, and enjoying riding was worth a lot more than a couple of tubes.
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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2019, 01:45:49 PM »
Not a huge day, had some family stuff to attend to, but, got the cylinders on and the motor in the frame. Much easier than a CB750 that needs to be installed as a complete motor. The head is at the machine shop and we may see it next week. It will be nice to work on the rest of the motor while on the lift from a roll around stool, because, well, I just don't sit around on my ass enough these days.









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« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2019, 02:27:12 PM »
Looks good John.   What four wheel vehicle is looming in the adjacent room under cover, anything special?!
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« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2019, 06:54:18 PM »
Looks good John.   What four wheel vehicle is looming in the adjacent room under cover, anything special?!

It’s my Son’s Caddie CTS -V It stays in the shop for the Winter where it is heated and covered. He has a stainless exhaust with a bypass system on it and a bunch of other stuff that makes smoke come from the tires on a regular basis. He comes to the shop every other week or so and starts it up. This past week was a special one. He never takes it out in the Winter but this past week he took it out and proposed to his girlfriend in it. She is a Doctor and gorgeous, I have no idea what is up with that. I figure she has something for gearheads and told him he had won the lottery of women, don’t F it up.
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« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2019, 02:46:10 PM »
The motor resto is pretty much complete. Even though I have done these cams a few times they are always like a puzzle you get at a Cracker Barrel. You know, the ones that are like 3 metal triangles you have to get a apart. At first it looks impossible but, if you work at it awhile it slips right apart.

That's it for a couple of weeks. Time to head South and get the f*ck out of this weather. That will leave me about 6 weeks to finish this bike, gonna be close. Thanks for Tagging Along.




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Re: 1976 Honda CB550
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2019, 04:33:28 PM »
Great build so far man!
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« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2019, 04:01:28 PM »
Would love to see an instructional thread on the plating. Great work so far man! That does seem quite frustrating about the fork caps. Those are both very reputable companies.... Have you tought maybe its your fork tubes?

No, it couldn’t be the tubes because the caps didn’t fit the old fork tubes or the new but the old caps fit both. The Honda caps went on with no problems. The only thing I can think of is the thread count is slightly off on the reproduction caps. The plating process is pretty much just the way The Caswell Manual says to do it. I will say cleanliness and good prep are a big part of coming out with a good finish.

Beautiful work!  What did you do for the rear brake hub to get that finish?  As for the fork tube caps, use a thread gauge and see if the threads are the same pitch. If they are then it might be a case of the outer diameter of the threads being a touch too wide.  You might be able to knock 10 thou off and see if they fit.  Not an optimal solution for what they cost but might get them functional.  DSS has been very accommodating when I have contacted them.  You might try and email them and explain the problem.  See if you can find a receipt in an email since it's been so long.  They may replace/refund them.  Never know until you try.

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Re: 1976 Honda CB550
« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2019, 05:12:46 PM »
great job on this build! keep the posts coming
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2019, 03:06:06 AM »
Would love to see an instructional thread on the plating. Great work so far man! That does seem quite frustrating about the fork caps. Those are both very reputable companies.... Have you tought maybe its your fork tubes?

I am going to have a buddy who has a machine shop take a look at the caps to see if there is an easy fix and put them aside for the next project. The rear wheel is bead blasted with a very fine bead finish in the middle. The outers and the backing plate is polished first with a Tripoli Compound and then a Jewlers Rouge.

No, it couldn’t be the tubes because the caps didn’t fit the old fork tubes or the new but the old caps fit both. The Honda caps went on with no problems. The only thing I can think of is the thread count is slightly off on the reproduction caps. The plating process is pretty much just the way The Caswell Manual says to do it. I will say cleanliness and good prep are a big part of coming out with a good finish.

Beautiful work!  What did you do for the rear brake hub to get that finish?  As for the fork tube caps, use a thread gauge and see if the threads are the same pitch. If they are then it might be a case of the outer diameter of the threads being a touch too wide.  You might be able to knock 10 thou off and see if they fit.  Not an optimal solution for what they cost but might get them functional.  DSS has been very accommodating when I have contacted them.  You might try and email them and explain the problem.  See if you can find a receipt in an email since it's been so long.  They may replace/refund them.  Never know until you try.

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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2019, 03:58:37 PM »
Back at it again after a vacation to warmer waters. The vacation felt like it went by way too quick, but stepping back into the shop today it feels like I've been away from this project for way too long, the clock is ticking. Today was spent working on the carbs. I forgot how much fun these linkage carbs are. The carbs were disassembled and bagged,each carb body and bowl have been engraved as to their respective carb number for reassembly. The bodies will now be sent to Resto Cycle to be Vapor Blasted. I like the look of the vapor blasted carbs, they look very close to OEM. Prep work will continue on the carb linkage assembly and other carb parts so that when the bodies come back the rack will be ready for assembly.

Carbs ready to ship out Monday,



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I also did some work on the rear wheel. Something has been bothering me about this wheel every time I walked by it. Finally I just said F it. The OEM Dish Washers for the sprocket bolts are NLA so I tried painting the cover plate and just using Locktite but it never looked right to me. The washers came up on Ebay from a guy in Germany and I bought them. I then blasted the paint of the plate and re-plated it in Zinc and installed the new OEM Honda Washers with new nuts. I can now sleep at night.





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Re: 1976 Honda CB550
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2019, 04:05:21 PM »
looks great!