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4 little O rings
« on: January 24, 2020, 01:18:11 PM »
On the CB750, there are 4 little O rings, 2 beneath each of the cam bearing blocks. The little ones were on the K0-1-2-maybe 3. Then Honda went to a removable oil orifice (2) and stepped up the size of the ORing.

So, does it really matter if you use the larger Orings on an early head, or must it be the little bitty ones? I have both, just wondered. And should a little gasket goo be used on them, sparingly?
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Re: 4 little O rings
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2020, 03:43:37 PM »
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So, does it really matter if you use the larger Orings on an early head, or must it be the little bitty ones? I have both, just wondered. And should a little gasket goo be used on them, sparingly?
Use the proper o rings, no sealer.
This is the feed for the cam journals and sprays the rocker arms.

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Re: 4 little O rings
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2020, 05:31:39 PM »
the larger ones wont fit under the cam towers.
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Re: 4 little O rings
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2020, 07:39:59 AM »
Thank y'all.
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Re: 4 little O rings
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2020, 08:03:41 PM »
No goo!
The early ones are 1.5x3 or 1.6x3. The later ones are minimum 1.9x5.8, can use 2x6 (Harbor Freight O-ring kits have those) in their place. If you have the tiny ones (K0 thru early K2 Old Factory engines) on the larger oil jets, you can use either one (these normally take the 1.6x3 size) if the jets are recessed into the head like most were. If you have the early K0 sandcast or diecast K0 before about 1/70 with just the drilled hole (no oil jet) then you are stuck with the 1.5x3 as nothing else will fit the cam bearings, when the head side is flush.

When I rebuild these early heads, I use the 1.5x3 (or 1.6x3) and also a 2x7 around its outside. These fit well together and help reduce the loss that happens while the engine is cold. After the oil thins out, they don't weep anymore.

If you have a racing cam and want lots of top-end oil, you can also increase the feed-hole size (if you can figure out how to remove any chips that might fall inside the larger jets) to as much as 0.044". This leaves the strainer holes (0.0335") smaller than the feed hole without restricting anything, and the cam followers will appreciate the extra drink above 8000 RPM.

I recently rebuilt a 750K5 that was ridden from Michigan to California, then the engine pulled out and sent to me for a show-style resto (which it won!). When I got the engine from the owner and tore it down, I discovered there were NO oil jets in the head holes (empty holes!). The cam looked terrific, and the inside of the cam cover was washed shiny clean, probably form the extra oil flying around up there. The bike exhibited no problems in the whole 3000 mile Interstate-speed trip across the Rockies (except some wheel slip in the snow near Vail Pass, he said) and the bottom-end bearings were in perfect condition. We have no idea when the oil jets disappeared, but it didn't hurt anything that I could see nor measure.
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Re: 4 little O rings
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2020, 09:04:04 PM »
I like this file about o-rings to CB750 found on this forum.
I hope the link from another post work.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=172646.msg2010189.msg#2010189
« Last Edit: January 26, 2020, 09:05:43 PM by PeWe »
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