Author Topic: Testing ignition basics (Read 10424 times)

AlekStooge · « **Reply #50 on:** June 24, 2020, 07:28:04 PM »

Quote from: dazemc on June 24, 2020, 07:16:30 PM

Quote from: AlekStooge on June 24, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
Ok, good. Since I'm waiting for the coils. I have a question about the stator wires. I saw the three yellow wires broke, I must have put the alternator cover on over them by accident. What does each one of those 5 wires (total) do?
Those are your 3 phases of A/C current. They connect to your RR and get converted to DC and the voltage is set or "regulated" there as well. The other two wires are ground and voltage sense

I found this in the forums but can't remember where,

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Makes sense they would be the same color.

scottly · « **Reply #51 on:** June 24, 2020, 07:35:30 PM »

Quote from: dazemc on June 24, 2020, 07:16:30 PM

The other two wires are ground and voltage sense

The green wire is the field ground, connected to the wiring harness main ground, and the white wire is the other end of the field coil that connects to the regulator. The voltage sense is the harness black wire that connects to the regulator.

AlekStooge · « **Reply #52 on:** June 24, 2020, 09:31:56 PM »

Pretty easy to fix? I haven't taken a look at it but isn't it pressed into the stator wiring?

scottly · « **Reply #53 on:** June 24, 2020, 09:42:28 PM »

AlekStooge · « **Reply #54 on:** June 24, 2020, 10:23:58 PM »

Damn, I have to get the stator rebuilt.

scottly · « **Reply #55 on:** June 24, 2020, 10:30:34 PM »

Why do you need the stator rebuilt?

What are you talking about? What are you smoking?

bryanj · « **Reply #56 on:** June 24, 2020, 10:39:12 PM »

dazemc · « **Reply #57 on:** June 24, 2020, 10:51:49 PM »

You should take a few pictures of what you are talking about or maybe upload a video.

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AlekStooge · « **Reply #58 on:** June 25, 2020, 07:44:25 AM »

While I'm waiting for my coils, I could work on other things. When I got the bike it had a charging problem. When I installed the stator cover last the wires were intact. Now they are not. They must have been weak and now they broke, that would explain my charging problem.

I've replaced all my other wiring. I have to do these now. How are all 5 of these fixed to the stator at the stator side not reg/rec side? What type of electrical connection? solder? Ok, maybe not rebuilt the stator but replace these wires.

bryanj · « **Reply #59 on:** June 25, 2020, 08:31:57 AM »

Those wires have been cut by being trapped in the wrong place when fitting the cover. The ends at the coil(s) are soldered and carefully insulated.

AlekStooge · « **Reply #60 on:** June 25, 2020, 03:18:42 PM »

This is soldered on? Wouldn't a male/female connector with some sheathing or insulator over the bare wire in order to crimp it down be a more reliable solution? I know it was engineered with a solder connection but solder could break without you knowing. Just a thought.

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #61 on:** June 25, 2020, 06:46:17 PM »

Dude, you mashed the 3 stator wires ( Y,Y,Y ) under the alternator cover and cut them in two ! = no charge, own that. Now get an OEM points plate and 5 ohm coils and set 'em up. I ya want to ride yer bike that is . Good luck.

AlekStooge · « **Reply #62 on:** June 25, 2020, 07:18:24 PM »

Quote from: Spanner 1 on June 25, 2020, 06:46:17 PM

Dude, you mashed the 3 stator wires ( Y,Y,Y ) under the alternator cover and cut them in two ! = no charge, own that. Now get an OEM points plate and 5 ohm coils and set 'em up. I ya want to ride yer bike that is . Good luck.

I do.

The bike had a charging problem before that, guarantee it. Reg/rec has been replaced as well as all the other wiring, might as well replace these too.

Points! Looks like there is a mixed opinion of points being POS vs electronic ignition being the way to go.

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #63 on:** June 25, 2020, 07:46:09 PM »

Your anemic 550 charging will not support electronic ignition, but do as you please or ride your bike !

AlekStooge · « **Reply #64 on:** June 25, 2020, 08:32:18 PM »

Quote from: Spanner 1 on June 25, 2020, 07:46:09 PM

Your anemic 550 charging will not support electronic ignition, but do as you please or ride your bike !

Ok, I thought changing the points ignition system to electronic on these bikes was a standard upgrade. It seems that other members have done it with the stock charging system or am I missing something that is needed to run a electronic ignition? As I mentioned reg/rec has been replaced as well as everything else but the stator. I won't be able to ride this thing for a while, no rush whatsoever.

bryanj · « **Reply #65 on:** June 25, 2020, 09:13:57 PM »

There is no room for connectors at the stator and ive never seen a manufacturers soldered joint fail.
Electronic ignition is fitted by people who want to do long journeys and are not good at setting points gaps and timing.
If you ride at consistently high revs it can just about cope, same as H4 headlamp do both and you are on a hiding to nothing

AlekStooge · « **Reply #66 on:** June 25, 2020, 09:43:40 PM »

Quote from: bryanj on June 25, 2020, 09:13:57 PM

There is no room for connectors at the stator and ive never seen a manufacturers soldered joint fail.
Electronic ignition is fitted by people who want to do long journeys and are not good at setting points gaps and timing.
If you ride at consistently high revs it can just about cope, same as H4 headlamp do both and you are on a hiding to nothing

I guess I better improve my soldering skills. I have a lot more experience welding.

I have both an electronic ignition and a points ignition. If the electronic drains my battery constantly and I can't fix that. I'll go back to the points and admit that you were right. No harm done. No hard feeling. I appreciate everyone's imput. Now to solder those phase wires...

As for riding my bike, I don't care. I don't feel antsy. I took on a project and I enjoy it. I like learning, I like this forum, and I'm having a great time.

AlekStooge · « **Reply #67 on:** June 26, 2020, 10:42:47 PM »

Coils came in. Bike ran on all four, unpleaseantely loud. I probably had the idel adjustment tight since it was running on two last time. I need to switch the coils around after reading the instructions it said Hondas are down and face backwards. I took a quick look at plugs 1 and 3. It hasn't run long enough, very faint brown. Not tuning yet so whatever.

Now to fix those phase wires. I decided to just do a 3 pin latch and cover it up with split pet loom after my friend said it's not worth touching the solder at the wire coil. I'm ordering some yellow wire from Vintage Connections.

Ok, back to the starter. Why do I get an arc when I directly hook up to the battery? Does it need to be grounded to an earth connection as well? I don't think so but it is safer.

bryanj · « **Reply #68 on:** June 26, 2020, 11:11:25 PM »

Are you saying you are connecting the battery direct to starter?
Also hope you did not run it with the generator cover off or you have lost the oil gallery plug and they dont make those anymore!

AlekStooge · « **Reply #69 on:** June 27, 2020, 12:13:53 AM »

Yes, I saw a few people test a starter that way.

Yes, I have the plug. I've made that mistake before. What is the purpose of that oil gallery plug for anyway? Access to oil passages, if oil gets gunked up?

bryanj · « **Reply #70 on:** June 27, 2020, 01:13:32 AM »

Of course it arcs its drawing 180+amps.
The plug is to block the end of a macined gallery, you have to have access for machine tools, it cant be done by majic!

AlekStooge · « **Reply #71 on:** June 27, 2020, 08:37:21 AM »

Quote from: bryanj on June 27, 2020, 01:13:32 AM

Of course it arcs its drawing 180+amps.
The plug is to block the end of a macined gallery, you have to have access for machine tools, it cant be done by majic!

Really? 180+ that much?

During manufacturing? Have access for machine tools to make the gallery and then it needs to be plugged up as result?

bryanj · « **Reply #72 on:** June 27, 2020, 09:24:07 AM »

Instantaneous current yes, about 60 when running.

How else would you think a hole would appear in a casting

AlekStooge · « **Reply #73 on:** June 27, 2020, 09:36:45 AM »

Quote from: bryanj on June 27, 2020, 09:24:07 AM

Instantaneous current yes, about 60 when running.

How else would you think a hole would appear in a casting

True, only if the cases were split vertically you'd be able do without.

I'll try the starter again.

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