Topic: Would you run these tires?

[Stev-o]

That's a big knobby for an SOHC4 bike!

Pretty sure that is for his XR650, HM!

[seanbarney41]

That's a big knobby for an SOHC4 bike!

Pretty sure that is for his XR650, HM!

haha...my 07 crf is a unicam!  Sohc1

[Terry in Australia]

That's a big knobby for an SOHC4 bike!

Pretty sure that is for his XR650, HM!

Well while HM wasn't thinking too hard, the XR650 is technically a SOHC engine, so he wasn't completely wrong........

[ofreen]

Andy already made his prudent decision, but while we are talking about it I'll point out that besides environmental factors, tires across brands don't age the same.  The cheapies seem to dry out quickly.

[seanbarney41]

yeah, I have noticed that decades old Continentals often look and feel to be in great shape

[Terry in Australia]

I think it depends on your geographical location too, I don't see age cracking in tyres (tires) here like I see in the US, maybe because our seasonal temps aren't so diametrically opposed. Over here a cold day is 50 and a hot day is 100, and while we do go either side of those numbers occasionally, it's not that often.

[PeWe]

Soon lunch here with 7.8C + rain
Dreaming about 10C (50F).

Note! We have NOT winter now, between spring and summer.

[RAFster122s]

Here at 3am it is 70f with high of 98f and low of 65f. Yesterday morning ride I didn’t need the thermal shirt beneath the mesh jacket. Just a tshirt. It will be that way until September most likely. Soon  the overnight low will be 74f when our daytime temps are consistently in the upper 90s or low 100s f.  At least we don’t have to shovel snow here.
The metal storage building the bikes live in reaches 140-160f during the peak heat of summer. So, the plasticizers of the rubber get baked out fairly easily. It is murder on batteries too. So, the battery comes out when I don’t ride for a couple months and comes in the house to be put on.a battery maintainer.

[754]

    99 percent of us are riding on used tires..
 The other 1 percent have not yet got back from the install...

[ofreen]

    99 percent of us are riding on used tires..

Speaking of used tires, I put new ones on the Road King today.  Found this in the old rear.  Hard to say how long that bit has been in there.  Tire wasn't leaking air, though.

[seanbarney41]

At one time, there was a run flat tire option for the road kings...made for the police package

[BomberMann650]

Dunlop run flat imperial technology is also known as "reinforced sidewall".  To those who use the metric system.

Can verify that it works.  Tire goes flat, can hobble along for a bit without damaging the wheel.

Been considering an 80/20 or 90/10 adv tire for the fjr.  But not sure if an adv tire has any added durability over a gt road touring tire.  Experience with primitive roads and gentle trails revealed that traction was seldom the issue.  Ground Clearance on the other hand

The new Dunlop Mutant does have a cool look to it.  Imagine it would be an outstanding rain tire as they claim.  Don't really want to deal with a bunch of tread cupping..  Would suspect any off road traction benefit would be quickly lost to road touring wear.

Other tires in the 90/10 segment don't seem too different from a performance touring tire.  Most likely will end up on a roadsmart iv for the next 9kmi.

Unless someone can illustrate where an adventure touring tire might be better suited to heavyweight road touring 🤷‍♂️

[70CB750]

Been there, done that.  The CB900 came with tires from 2004 or such and I put few hundred miles on them.

[andy750]

Greg you got lucky!

[ofreen]

Greg you got lucky!

That's for sure.  I was out in the wilds of eastern Oregon last weekend where a flat tire would have been very inconvenient.

[CBJoe]

Just went through this on my Triumph.  I haven't ridden it a lot in the last few years and did a major maintenance before winter.  Took for a shake down a few weeks ago and the tires were slick as hell and rock hard.  Tons of tread.  Then I realized I installed them 11 years ago 

Some new Michelin Pilot Activs and handles great.

[Terry in Australia]

Just went through this on my Triumph.  I haven't ridden it a lot in the last few years and did a major maintenance before winter.  Took for a shake down a few weeks ago and the tires were slick as hell and rock hard.  Tons of tread.  Then I realized I installed them 11 years ago 

Some new Michelin Pilot Activs and handles great.

Yep, there's nothing like new tyres on a bike you've ridden for years Joe, I recently put new tyres ($600 per set, USD) on my two Triumph Rocket III's, I needed to buy a set on the new bike because a PO had a bald Avon on the front, and had installed a car tyre on the rear, and my other set was to replace the originals on the R3 that's been in my family since new in 2007, with a whopping 9000 miles done over that time. Because the tyres wear so gradually, you don't really notice the poor handling until you install new ones, and even though I was taking it easy as the tyres were new and had a greasy coating that needed to be scrubbed off, the bike felt so much more (for a Land Barge) agile.

Rocket III Friday 16 Apr 2021 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

[BomberMann650]

Jeez Terry, only the best for the rocket iii huh?

Price of motorcycle tires is too damn high.  When i was a teenager, got four big mud tires for what it cost to reshoe the fjr!

[Terry in Australia]

Ha ha, if I could buy Stinko’s for them both I would have mate, but because Triumph designed the Rocket III to have the largest tyres on any production motorcycle, they contracted Metzler to make special tyres for it, then a couple of other manufacturers slowly came to the party, but because there aren’t that many Rocket III’s around, it probably costs the manufacturers a lot more to make them than the more popular standard 17 inch sports bike tyres that fit most sports bikes built over the last 20 years, or adventure bikes, which share tyre sizes.

I had a choice of Metzler’s new 888’s and Avon’s new Venom “Chrome” both of which are great tyres, but they cost a bomb. By comparison I could have bought new Stinko 712’s for 9 CB750’s for what I paid for tyre for 2 Rocket III’s.

[BomberMann650]

I think the current rocket 3 are using a more common rear tire.  As it morphed from a big block luxury cruiser - into a more aggressive power cruiser. 

Should i be leary of shinkos 190/55r17 market offering?  Or can i save a lot of money on my next set of rubber?

[Terry in Australia]

I think the current rocket 3 are using a more common rear tire.  As it morphed from a big block luxury cruiser - into a more aggressive power cruiser. 

Should i be leary of shinkos 190/55r17 market offering?  Or can i save a lot of money on my next set of rubber?

Buy the Stinko's mate, they're underpriced for what they are. I've had them on my GL1200, CB750 K0, CB750K2 and I have another set of Stinko 712's on some Lester wheels to go on my next CB750 build. (970cc K1) I haven't tried all of their tyres, but it's important to note that they're the old (Japanese) Yokohama tyre company that sold off it's interests to South Korea, so their quality (on the tyres I've mentioned above) has been really good.

[Medyo Bastos]

I think the current rocket 3 are using a more common rear tire.  As it morphed from a big block luxury cruiser - into a more aggressive power cruiser. 

Should i be leary of shinkos 190/55r17 market offering?  Or can i save a lot of money on my next set of rubber?

Buy the Stinko's mate, they're underpriced for what they are. I've had them on my GL1200, CB750 K0, CB750K2 and I have another set of Stinko 712's on some Lester wheels to go on my next CB750 build. (970cc K1) I haven't tried all of their tyres, but it's important to note that they're the old (Japanese) Yokohama tyre company that sold off it's interests to South Korea, so their quality (on the tyres I've mentioned above) has been really good.

I agree with uglee terry!


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[BomberMann650]

Got bored and watched some youtube reviews.
Seems like shinko had a bad run of their 17" ST tires around 2016.  Tread separations in a few raven tires and verge 2x front tires that simply couldn't be balanced by the techs.
The reviewers that didn't have failure reports seemed able to run the tires well past the 5kmi mark.  Or whatever 8000 metric kilo distance is.

My problem is having a taste of that pirelli angel gtii caviar - with a shrimp flavored ramen budget!

Only gripe about the prielli is the front tracking wildly on grooved pavement and not being a top performer in the rain.  Which everyone knows about anyway.  Get about 7500 miles before the cords show.  Which is good under the condition of long, heavy, full speed hauls - across 100 degree pavement.

The odd dunlop rs2 made it about 6kmi before biting into a sharp rock.  Battlax t31 gt rear is at 80% of its life with 5500 miles.  The front could survive another oil change no problem.  Still haven't gotten used to the handling character of those bridgestones.  The pirelli set the benchmark for that too.  Never saw the metzeler 01 to the end of its life.  But would have utmost confidence using those in rain and on gravel.

Don't get me started on the mich road 5.  Overhyped.

[Terry in Australia]

I had the Pirelli's on my FJR1300, apart from 3 punctures in 2 weeks (I was living in a new housing estate and I'm sure the builders were dropping screws all over the roads on purpose) I thought they were OK, I had 10,000 Km (6000 miles, so your maths is correct) when I traded up to the second Rocket III, and the new owner who "flipped" the FJR and bought an ancient Yamaha "Venture" (V4 tourer thing?) needed to put on a new rear to pass a roadworthy inspection. I pity the poor bugger who did the tyre changes, both tyres had a bottle of water based tyre sealant in them, in case I ran over any more screws.

I went for a ride with the FJR club (and saw 250 KPH/156 MPH) on it, chasing the prez on his shiny new ABS equipped 6 speed FJR, and almost ran up his arse at that speed when he saw a car coming towards us with a "Double Bubble" on the roof, which, thank the Great Pumpkin, was actually a "Country Fire Authority" car and not a cop car, or else I'd probably be typing this from a jail cell. That's the difference between ABS and non ABS, with ABS you pull up quicker, with no ABS you skid to a halt. What I noticed though, was quite a lot of the FJR guys who were on their second or third bike were all devotees to the Michelins, and didn't have much time for the Pirelli's.

Personally, I'd still try the Stinko's, at least if they are crap they didn't cost you big to find out.

[BomberMann650]

Watched more reviews on the shinko verge 2x.  Someone managed to blister the whole bloddy tire with one of them feather weight sport bikes.  Which is something the pirelli only came close to doing under the mass of an fjr.  Think I'll pass on those 

Alas, delays in billing and shipping the 2021 roadsmart 4, the looming wear out if my battlaxes.  Pushed me into ordering the last years model.  Roadsmart 3, $300 out the door!

The roadsmart 3's have one bad review.  A man and his wife managed to destroy a rear tire.  Touring through the ozarks 6-7 psi underinflated!  Completely chewed up the tire, but it took 3000 miles of the abuse without a catastrophe!  Someone gave this guy the impression underinflating the tire would be better.  For 2 up touring on a behemoth k1600