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Re: Terry's Boneyard Barn find Budget Suzuki T500 Reanimation.
« Reply #200 on: September 04, 2021, 03:11:44 AM »
Vapor blasted and bead blasted stuff looks great!
Had a set of carbs bead blasted several years ago. They look great still and clean up pretty easily.
Glad your decals arrived and will cover the rubbed through spot.

Good luck with the decals and clear. Spring weather is pretty volatile...
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« Reply #201 on: September 04, 2021, 03:21:12 AM »
Thanks David, the good thing is that I have so much work to do on it that I can leave the tank if I need to, but the conditions inside my crowded garage are pretty good for lacquering all year around, so as long as I don't fcuk up the decals, it'll be fine. ;D
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« Reply #202 on: September 04, 2021, 08:20:44 AM »
Take your time with them and maybe do it without too much Ginger Joes in your system that day, unless your hands are steadier after one or two. I like to use a laser level to help guide lines that need to be oriented relative to horizontal or vertical...
Probably best done with tank on bike unless it is relative to bottom of the tank.

Are your decals vinyl? If so, do you float them into place with soapy water and squeegee out the excess? Or are they decal film, much more delicate. If later, the plastic model crowd has decal solutions that help... Micro-Sol is the name of one of the three...

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« Reply #203 on: September 04, 2021, 10:25:26 AM »
WOW !!!  8)  Terry,those vapor blasted parts are wonderful !!!!  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
That was very difficult to get down into all those deep fins on the heads/cyls. !

Very nice,quality vapor blasting work  ;)
« Last Edit: September 04, 2021, 05:24:30 PM by grcamna2 »
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« Reply #204 on: September 04, 2021, 03:05:28 PM »
Thanks guys, yeah I’m trying to decide if I’ll put the engine back together today or get the top and bottom case blasted Bill, I don’t have the oil dam yet, but could easily make one myself, and the “new” cases aren’t horrible, so I’m having a mental battle right now trying to decide?

David the decals are vinyl, so not too hard to “float” as you’ve described, and the good thing is that I only need to align the punched out tank badge holes to ensure that I’ve fitted them correctly. Not sure what I’ll tackle today, truly horrible weather again, so I’ll have breakfast and come up with a cunning plan. ;D
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« Reply #205 on: September 04, 2021, 10:18:16 PM »
Your vapor blasted parts look really good ,Terry.
I guess this will become your new standard on your other builds too ;)
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« Reply #206 on: September 04, 2021, 10:23:32 PM »
Have you ever done a job that you thought would be a piece of cake and it turned into a nightmare? Or conversely, a job that you really don't like doing, but it went really well? Well I had the latter today. As confessed in my last missive, I inadvertently rubbed thru the paint in one little spot when rubbing out a run in the clear lacquer, and was worried that the decal wouldn't cover it.

Today I summoned up the courage to take the decal out to the tank and see if in fact this was the case, and was happy that it did, so no paint touch up (a difficult task with metallics, and damn near impossible with candies) required, woohoo! OK, so I'm standing there holding a decal and staring at the tank, and slowly the thought of attaching one to the other crossed my tiny mind. Ugh, I really don't like attaching decals, especially big ones, I still wake up drenched in sweat worrying about buggering up expensive decals.

As it turned out though, I had nothing to worry about, I used a plastic bondo spreader and a piece of foam to push any air bubbles out, and the decals went on easy. They're probably not quite even, but I don't care, I can only look at one side at a time, so I'm happy.

T500 Sunday 5 Sep 2021 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I/ve decided to get my vapor blasting guy to blast my engine cases. The ones I bought from the US aren't filthy, but the OEM clearcoat is coming off, and it's much easier for me to get him to blast them than for me to waste hours with a scrubbing brush and degreaser. There's no rush, the oil dams haven't turned up yet, so the assembly can wait another few days.

My mate Pete, who had a T500 back in the 1970's rang me last night, they're trying to sell his brother (RIP) Dave's Harley Electra Glide for Dave's widow, Linda. It's a 1983 Milwaukie police bike, Dave bought it around 1985 or '86, and rode it right up until a year or so ago when his health got so bad that he couldn't. Dave moved up to Cairns in the late 80's and I only saw him a couple of times, which was a shame, as we got on so well.

Anyhoo, they've been trying to sell it in Cairns, but can't get the money that they want for it, so Pete's asked me if he can get it shipped to my place and for me to clean it up, get it running sweet, and sell it? Why of course, I always liked it when Dave was alive, so why not? I might even buy it myself if I can sell some bikes that I don't need and raise the cash, we'll see. Here's one of my favourite pics of Dave.

Davey Dobbo. by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

Anyway, Pete was talking about his T500. He'd never heard about the oil level issue, and I don't know if I convinced him that the oil dam is the fix to save your 4th and 5th gear. He was sure that his centre bearing oil seal had blown and was the cause, he reckoned that the engine was burning gearbox oil and starving the gearbox of oil, and that's what ate his 4th and 5th gear. I'm guessing it was a combination of the low oil level AND the oil seal problem, but he wouldn't have it, he'd convinced himself over the last 43 years that it was just the oil seal and had never heard about the oil level issue before, but then again, he'd never thought about it in recent years, certainly not in the age of the internet, and instant knowledge like we have now.   

Regardless, I thought that as I'd really only given my gearbox guts a cursory glance I'd go take a closer look, and was happy to confirm that all my gears and bearings are in excellent shape, so while I'm not sure why the heads and barrels were off it, it appears that it was a low mileage engine. I think I'll wander back outside with a scalpel blade and trim the decals around the badge brackets as I'm concerned about soapy water being trapped behind it possibly causing blisters in the future, but that's about all I'll do for the day as I can't really do much now. More soon. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #207 on: September 04, 2021, 11:09:35 PM »
Your vapor blasted parts look really good ,Terry.
I guess this will become your new standard on your other builds too ;)

Thanks Per, yes mate, he only lives a mile away from me, whereas my other vapor blaster guy (who did the K0 parts) is 20 or 30 miles away, so the new guy is really handy, and he's pretty cheap too. He needs to get a big bead blasting cabinet too I reckon because he really struggled with my barrels that had been painted black (poorly) back in the day, the other guy would bead blast the paint off first, then vapor blast the parts to give them that shiny look.

I sneaked outside and trimmed around the badge brackets, and I was right, there was water trapped behind them, so I'm glad I did. ;D

T500 Saturday 4 Sep 2021 2 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #208 on: September 05, 2021, 12:04:48 AM »
The decals look good on the tank there Terry.Do you then plan to clearcoat the tank over the decals ?
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« Reply #209 on: September 05, 2021, 12:07:53 AM »
The decals look good on the tank there Terry.Do you then plan to clearcoat the tank over the decals ?

G'Day Bill, yes mate, I rubbed the clear lacquer back before I attached the decals, and once the tank is perfectly dry I'll clear coat it to seal it, and give it some gloss. ;D
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« Reply #210 on: September 05, 2021, 12:55:35 AM »
Very nice work you did on the decals Terry! It would give me a cold sweat and hot sweats as well...

Nice thing you are doing for Dave's family. The police bikes were cool as were the big Kawa Police bikes. I always fancied the recent BMW police bikes the CHP use...would love to pick one up inexpensively but unlikely to happen.

Hope your weather warms for your tank to cure out the decals and allow you to clear it for some beautiful gloss.

The vapor blasted cases will be better than painted. If you had a hot tank aqueous setup it can strip the old clear nicely, You hot tank soak them and then hit them with high pressure water. Nils had demo'd that on his FB page.
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« Reply #211 on: September 05, 2021, 01:04:34 AM »
Geez I'd forgotten about "Hot Tanking" David, it was common practise here 20 years ago or so, that's a technology that's pretty much disappeared here, from memory the only problem with hot tanking is that it doesn't remove corrosion, so I suppose that's why bead blasting/vapor blasting is king now?

I saw a hot solvent degreasing cabinet on FB last night and have sent the seller a message, it looks promising, basically degreasing an engine or parts without getting your hands dirty, I might buy it and cut my vapor blasting guy a break and degrease everything before I give it to him, unlike all the brake plates/sprocket covers that I gave him yesterday, which were covered in a 2mm thick coating of grease and corrosion. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #212 on: September 05, 2021, 01:08:54 AM »
Here's a link to Nil's FB page...
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=702690814
He had a bunch of stuff on Resto Cycle's site too.

The Oxalic Acid really works well too for derusting parts.

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« Reply #213 on: September 05, 2021, 01:48:37 AM »
Good idea to wait until all water used for attaching the decals have dried completely.
I waited a week.

There is a guideline somewhere on the SOHC bikes forum.
Best result with fresh decals which explained my struggle despite warming them.
The forum member Menno knows and has written about it somewhere, he is a pro painter.
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« Reply #214 on: September 05, 2021, 01:59:41 AM »
Yeah, there's no set time Per, it just depends on ambient temperature, humidity, etc. I've painted over decals on the same day I attached them with no issues, because usually I'm painting in summer, when it's 30+ deg C and very low humidity. As I'm in no hurry with the T500, I'll wait for a day or two, I think we're supposed to have a couple of nice days mid week, so I'll probably do it then. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #215 on: September 05, 2021, 03:08:58 AM »
Hi terry , it won’t be a fault with the centre crank seal that burnt the oil . That only separates the two cylinders . It’s normally the Outer seal on the clutch side that causes that and you can see the burnt oil on that side spark plug long before the gearbox is empty

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« Reply #216 on: September 05, 2021, 03:13:05 AM »
Thanks Simon, that's great news, as I don't want to split the crank, but I intend to replace the two outer seals before I put it back together. I'll have to look at the two original heads as I've just had a memory that one combustion chamber was a lot sootier than the other? ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #217 on: September 06, 2021, 01:08:21 AM »
Well it's Monday here, and things are going forward. Husain, my vapor blaster has pretty much finished my engine covers, brake plates and sprocket carriers, so tomorrow I'll take over my engine cases to get the vapor blast treatment. In the meantime, I baked some sourdough muffins. I've never seen sourdough muffins, so I'm claiming them as my "Australian Sourdough Muffins", sweet.

T500 Monday 6 Sep 2021 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr


I wandered out to take a peek at the tank, and before I knew It, I'd laid on a couple of coats of clear.

T500 Monday 6 Sep 2021 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

T500 Monday 6 Sep 2021 2 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I ran out of acrylic lacquer clear coat, so ordered some from SuperCheap Auto, and they sent me an SMS message to say it was ready for collection, but by then I'd already emptied my first bottle of Ginger Joe (equivalent to around 4 standard beers) so I decided to go pick it up tomorrow morning when I drop my engine cases around to Husain's place, and pick up my other parts, so I can put the rolling chassis together. Still baby steps, but it's getting there. ;D



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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #218 on: September 06, 2021, 05:02:53 AM »
  What a Guy.  A muffin baker in the mornings and a bike builder in the afternoon. Your a keeper Terry !!   ;D

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« Reply #219 on: September 06, 2021, 11:35:35 AM »
Nice Terry!
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« Reply #220 on: September 06, 2021, 04:16:48 PM »
Tank looks great!

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« Reply #221 on: September 06, 2021, 10:05:26 PM »
Terry,you mentioned in an earlier post about the cylinder heads had work done to them.What type of work was done:modifications? The stock compression ratio
ratio is fairly low on that engine.Did they also mill-down the heads ?
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« Reply #222 on: September 06, 2021, 10:18:41 PM »
Thanks guys, the muffins are delicious, and the tank is looking good with another couple of coats, so I think I'll leave it alone to harden for a few days.

Bill, the description straight from the Ebay ad was:
 
"Suzuki T500 Titan RIGHT LEFT ENGINE TOP END CYLINDER HEADS
These Heads were CC'd and matched by John at PRO_FLO
they are a matched pair of combustion chambers that came out "Exactly equal" in his words."

It does look like the chambers and gasket surfaces have been machined. Now that they've been blasted, they look like new. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #223 on: September 06, 2021, 11:19:26 PM »
Thanks guys, the muffins are delicious, and the tank is looking good with another couple of coats, so I think I'll leave it alone to harden for a few days.

Bill, the description straight from the Ebay ad was:
 
"Suzuki T500 Titan RIGHT LEFT ENGINE TOP END CYLINDER HEADS
These Heads were CC'd and matched by John at PRO_FLO
they are a matched pair of combustion chambers that came out "Exactly equal" in his words."

It does look like the chambers and gasket surfaces have been machined. Now that they've been blasted, they look like new. ;D

That should give them an even amount of 'Bang' and as long as your timing and carbs are 'spot on' you'll have a smooth accelerating engine Terry  ;)
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« Reply #224 on: September 07, 2021, 01:29:38 AM »
Cc the chambers and make them equal (+ machine the head surface if chambers are opened and need more compression) one way to make engine to run smoother.

I saw one stock CB750 stock head had various cc. I should have corrected them equally and shaved the head a little to correct the chamber volume/compression. .

I noticed that compression matched the earlier measured chambers. Largest chamber had least compression.

My ported heads have all tasted my sanding tool if differ too much.

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Replacement of guides/cut seats will affect compression, hopefully equally.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
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The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967