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Offline BallAquatics

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Planning a long trip...
« on: November 15, 2021, 05:01:14 AM »
I'm thinking of taking a long trip next fall on my '74 C550.  It's going to be around 7000 miles round trip spread out over 30 days or so.
Going to be mostly state routes with speeds in the 50 to 60 mph range.  My question is, what would you do to get the bike ready for such
a trip?

I'm not a mechanic by trade, but I've been riding for over 50 years and working on my bikes for just as long so I'm comfortable doing
road-side repairs and maintenance along the way.

The bike is basically stock except for after market exhaust, electronic ignition, and the rocker cover has been updated to a later model
where the shafts are pined so the cover doesn't wear out.  I've had the bike since it was new so I know it's history over the 30000+
miles it's been ridden.
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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2021, 05:41:31 AM »
7000 will probably be more than a rear tyres life, at least 4 oil changes(preferably with filter) and a new, decent quality HD(but not o ring)chain at the start.
At 30000 how are the disc pads and rear shoes? Fork oil change probably and grease swing arm bearings frequently
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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2021, 06:51:15 AM »
Check the air filter before you start.
Sprocket condition?
Brake fluid change?
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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2021, 07:00:17 AM »
Still need to follow the owner manual maintenance schedule.

Rain gear, and an extra comfy seat pad are recommended.  I also highly favor a windscreen and ear plugs for long runs to reduce riding fatigue.  That way, when you get there, doing something other than total rest is possible.

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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2021, 07:45:28 AM »
 Be sure you are comfortable on the seat, especially if it isn't stock. I had one with heavy marine vinyl for a cover, it sloped towards the tank. Sliding forwards all day will put your undies in a bunch.
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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2021, 08:51:15 AM »
Ballaquatics, actually I had planned a separate, extensive thread on 'packing your mule' for next spring, but here already a few tips. If you don't have them already, have leather or similar 'forgiving' bags. Mine are 50 years old, have saved me and my bike in a couple of accidents and are good for another 50 years. Everything in there better be in plastic bags. Transparent ones will enable you to find what you need rightaway. Don't go for hard cases. I'll explain later, but recently a German motormagazine came to the same conclusion, I did 41 years ago. For long rides I have a sheepskin over the seat, which is way more comfy than vinyl. Mine, made by a friend, is an exact fit, is well strapped, so it will not flutter. Bring as little gear as possible and - by all means - keep it low. I have seen some horrible pics here over the years of luggage stacked up against sissybars. The horror! What you see in the pic, is the maximum I would tolerate. Road holding actually improved and was as solid as the Mercedes-Benz Heckflosse I had at the time. On Autobahns I could maintain speeds of 140 km/h easily and on alpine roads bike was as agile as ever. You see a tankbag in the picture, but actually I hate them. Much better IMO is a rucksack in which you have soft materials only ofcourse. Great shock absorber in case of... If you have a lot of stuff, why not have a similar rucksack strapped on the front of you. Great windbreaker!
Standard tool set and a DMM is enough as you won't leave the civilised world. For the same reason it is not necessary to install new parts prematurely. Tyres, chains can be bought when needed. On all my long trips I have confidently doubled the oil interval to 6000km. Enjoy!
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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2021, 09:00:38 AM »
So why not the hard cases? I always thought that hard cases are mounted on racks which crack if you fall over or have an accident. Whereas soft bags absorb the impact and there is nothing to weld. Your camera and valuables could be stored in a small case in the soft bag.
Ballaquatics, actually I had planned a separate, extensive thread on 'packing your mule' for next spring, but here already a few tips. If you don't have them already, have leather or similar 'forgiving' bags. Mine are 50 years old, have saved me and my bike in a couple of accidents and are good for another 50 years. Everything in there better be in plastic bags. Transparent ones will enable you to find what you need rightaway. Don't go for hard cases. I'll explain later, but recently a German motormagazine came to the same conclusion, I did 41 years ago. For long rides I have a sheepskin over the seat, which is way more comfy than vinyl. Mine, made by a friend, is an exact fit, is well strapped, so it will not flutter. Bring as little gear as possible and - by all means - keep it low. I have seen some horrible pics here over the years of luggage stacked up against sissybars. The horror! What you see in the pic, is the maximum I would tolerate. Road holding actually improved and was as solid as the Mercedes-Benz Heckflosse I had at the time. On Autobahns I could maintain speeds of 140 km/h easily and on alpine roads bike was as agile as ever. You see a tankbag in the picture, but actually I hate them. Much better IMO is a rucksack in which you have soft materials only ofcourse. Great shock absorber in case of... If you have a lot of stuff, why not have a similar rucksack strapped on the front of you. Great windbreaker!
Standard tool set and a DMM is enough as you won't leave the civilised world. For the same reason it is not necessary to install new parts prematurely. Tyres, chains can be bought when needed. On all my long trips I have confidently doubled the oil interval to 6000km. Enjoy!
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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2021, 11:22:33 AM »
I hope I do not hijack this thread - I had planned this for next spring - but maybe this is the right occasion.
That summer (1980) we were to go on a six weeks journey to France, Italy and Greece and I needed a rack. Two blocks from where I lived, was a motorcycle store. Behind the counter against the wall I spotted a rack. CB500/CB750 its tag said. The shopkeeper would not let me have it, unless I would buy the cases as well. Two days later when he was not in, his daughter sold me the rack. I didn't want the cases for in a motor magazine I had read a test of solid cases and the results had been disappointing: not one, not even the German brands Krauser, Shuh and Hepco & Becker, had proved watertight. Also, a  friend had just donated me two sturdy leather bags in a quality those years only found in countries behind the Iron Curtain, like Czechoslovakia. He and his wife had quit riding their Jawa 350. The bags had served on all their trips to as far as the North Cape. In those years Norway still had dirt roads and in a curve they had slipped in the gravel. They had come away with minor injuries and the leather bag had proved its worth: it had absorbed the impact saving rack and bike. After readjusting a mirror they were able to continue. Now, 41 years later, I still use their bags. Also on our trips, bike has been down a few times. After a day riding and when nature was inviting, we used to go off road to look for a nice spot to camp. Due to my clumsy parking, the bike has fallen over numerous times, without damage however. To upright my bike, I didn't need to remove the luggage and I concluded I would never want a bike weighing over 200 kgs. IIRC it's even law in Japan: you're only allowed riding such a bike you can upright by yourself.
Also I have had two accidents, one in Italy and one in Greece. Although the bike had suffered some cosmetic damage -  the repair of which could be postponed till after the holiday - there was none in the rear. Like with my friends in Norway, the bags had absorbed the impact and protected rack and mufflers.
Now my leather bags aren't watertight. No real problem as long as you have everything in plastic bags. BTW, just the other day I've learned that even today's hard cases come with extra bags against rain... I find that telling. I have always saved clear plastic bags, so on a journey I can quickly find whatever I need. 
I don't like hard cases: too bulky, too vulnerable which will lead to extra costs eventually. My leather bags are some 50 years old now and the only cost so far, have been one or two leather straps that needed to be replaced. If the bags would ever need repair, it can be fixed in every Greek or Turkish hamlet by someone who will resolutely refuse to accept money on condition I will do him the favour of having a raki with him afterwards.
My bags have always been one with the rack and have never moved an inch, giving the bike a solid feel. Isn't there anything negative about them? Well, no. Those locks are a joke ofcourse. I don't even bother to use them; I prefer the three straps that are also there. Am I not afraid something gets stolen then? No. Apart from a quart of oil, a wrench and clothing, there's nothing of value in them. Why worry?
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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2021, 12:35:20 PM »
Plastic bags as you take home your groceries in.
Good when raining very much and if your boots gets water inside. Happened me during a longer trip. Stopped at a shop beside Autobahn in north Germany a late evening and asked for some bags.
Opened my bag, took a pair of dry socks. Boots and socks off, dry sock on, foot into plastic bag, the wet sock on to protect plastic bag and finally boot on. Kept me warm and nice until Austria where beer, Jägermeister and Inländer rum heeled me after a tough ride  with one stop between. Total 1700km.

I used slim slipstreamed Shoei hard bags framed with tubing around them. And yes, clothes packed in plastic bags inside to keep dry as everything else. Also easier to bring the stuff into the hotel room night time.
My total trip was around 5500 km. No oil change. That range is probably max. (CB750). Less cold starts, 800-1000km/day, less condensation make oil to live longer.

The leather bags seems to be a good idea if dropping the bike.
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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2021, 07:18:46 AM »
What a great adventure that will be!  My comments refer to the parts you are planning on changing during the trip.  Will you be able to mail them ahead to pick up during your trip?  It is rare for me to be able to walk into a bike shop and buy parts off the shelf to maintain my bike.  Anything you don't have to carry with you is a bonus...less is more. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2021, 11:49:49 AM »
Well, if you need help in the DC metro area, let me know, I am in Northern Virginia.
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Re: Planning a long trip...
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2021, 05:40:14 AM »
Cool tips and great ideas, much appreciate everyone's input.

Thought I'd start the trip on fresh rubber.  Going to install a set of Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires to give them a try, but if they don't work out I'll probably go with a set of Shinko 712.  I know I can get 8000+ on the Shinko rear and lots more from the front.

I'll also probably go with a new chain and sprockets.  Thinking of dropping a couple of teeth off the rear.  Not for any top-end, but a bit better fuel economy and lower rpm.

Definitely going with soft bags.  I can travel pretty light and have a few different sizes of the Kriega Drypack bags.

Still undecided on the windscreen.  In nice weather, I much prefer a small deflector type screen, but if I run into much inclement weather or cooler days, a full plexifairing would be worth it's weight in gold.

Will start looking for a sheepskin.  My sister is a competent seamstress and should be able to do some fitting.  May also look into getting a spare seat recovered with something geared towards longer days in the saddle.

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