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Offline robvangulik

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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2023, 05:45:48 AM »
As simple as this?

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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2023, 05:52:58 AM »
I jam a piece of rubber under the nut, allows limited movement to align the threads plus solves issue with a marginally shorter bolt by raising the nut like the sticks lol. Jam a piece of a plastic bag in there will often help :)

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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2023, 06:15:45 AM »
On mine I have the conventional Yuasa (6 1/2 years old now) and I don't know what you guys are blabbing about.  ;)

Look at the pictures, that might help?

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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2023, 09:57:06 AM »
This is what a technical  forum like this is good for. Good ideas that will help us all!
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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2023, 03:30:11 AM »
Delta for the Karen comment, as typical
You have to excuse me. I just like to inform by offering the full picture.
I've warned several times that when you turn to other than standard batteries, you may have to face terminals which will need extra attention.
If you choose a gel battery, know that many cannot endure voltages over 14,3 V for long periods of time. I know a CB350F owner who had his damaged because of this. So it would need adjusting the regulator. Why would one want to do that? Adjusting the regulator is not as straightforward as you may think.
If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?
Are you prepared to fit adapters?
There's no way you can make an error connecting a standard Yuasa. I have read posts here, where some reported they had ruined their rectifiers by an error in connecting.
I've concluded it's not worth it. So far I always did 7 years with a standard battery. They are tailor made and dead cheap. I don't know what you mean by 'Karen' but here are two of my favourites.
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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2023, 04:24:36 AM »
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If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?

Most of my stock charging system vintage bikes use AGM and have no issue. I like the fact that I do not have to deal with checking water level. Acid never leaks out the non-existent overflow tube. The self discharge rate is low too. I have two CB750s with AGM and they last just fine. I've gotten over 10 years in my Jet Ski with an AGM and replaced it due to age, even though it worked fine pounded by the sea for 400 hours. Even my vibrating Kawasaki triples like AGM and that's saying something lol. If you want a bit more voltage on your CB750 tweak the VR, mine is at 14.25ish volts just like the pb units it replaced. I use a cheap low output 1 amp charger over the winter for a few hours every
 month and it works fine, I just watch the topping voltage at the end of charge.

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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2023, 04:32:58 AM »
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If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?

Most of my stock charging system vintage bikes use AGM and have no issue. I like the fact that I do not have to deal with checking water level. Acid never leaks out the non-existent overflow tube. The self discharge rate is low too. I have two CB750s with AGM and they last just fine. I've gotten over 10 years in my Jet Ski with an AGM and replaced it due to age, even though it worked fine pounded by the sea for 400 hours. Even my vibrating Kawasaki triples like AGM and that's saying something lol. If you want a bit more voltage on your CB750 tweak the VR, mine is at 14.25ish volts just like the pb units it replaced. I use a cheap low output 1 amp charger over the winter for a few hours every
 month and it works fine, I just watch the topping voltage at the end of charge.

Well said! I’ve been using these batteries in everything for +12 years. The convenience, cleanliness, and slow discharge rate make them my first choice.

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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2023, 04:51:31 AM »
I have tried to adjust CB750 regulators to lower voltage due to GEL batteries.

Result: The higher charging voltage does too often not fully kick in when adjusting max 14.1-14.3V.
My bikes have voltage gauges to be watched while riding. Rides started with fully charged battery.

My CB750 K2 has now a cheaper wet battery.
My K6 AGM.
Cruising voltage 14.3-14.7V depending on recent use of blinkers, brake light. Always headlight on. LED 30/40W H4
Both charge 14V before 4000rpm. No problem to cruise in legal speeds for longer time on 5th gear.

I have adjusted the regulators between rides to ensure voltage levels.

Both regulators core gaps must be 0.8mm (spec 0.6-1.0mm), the point gap 0.35mm (spec 0.3-0.4mm)

I have seen charging differ too much without headlight on. Or even off when charging level was lower. This with either too low core gap or over ca: 0.85mm.

Stock regulators are really designed for 14.4-14.7V.

I do not charge batteries during long time. Over night once a month.
CTEK MXS 5.0 charger. Lower amp in motorcycle mode.

All my batteries the last 10 years have been maintenance free, totally sealed, no plugs.
GEL, Wet and AGM.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2023, 05:16:07 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2023, 07:51:51 AM »
Delta for the Karen comment, as typical
You have to excuse me. I just like to inform by offering the full picture.
I've warned several times that when you turn to other than standard batteries, you may have to face terminals which will need extra attention.
If you choose a gel battery, know that many cannot endure voltages over 14,3 V for long periods of time. I know a CB350F owner who had his damaged because of this. So it would need adjusting the regulator. Why would one want to do that? Adjusting the regulator is not as straightforward as you may think.
If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?
Are you prepared to fit adapters?
There's no way you can make an error connecting a standard Yuasa. I have read posts here, where some reported they had ruined their rectifiers by an error in connecting.
I've concluded it's not worth it. So far I always did 7 years with a standard battery. They are tailor made and dead cheap. I don't know what you mean by 'Karen' but here are two of my favourites.

I wonder if they take that off there neck will there head fall over :o

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Re: Battery Installation TWEAK.
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2023, 08:27:49 AM »
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If you choose an AGM, know that to use its full potential they have to be charged 14,8 V. Is your regulator ready for that? Your batterycharger?

Most of my stock charging system vintage bikes use AGM and have no issue. I like the fact that I do not have to deal with checking water level. Acid never leaks out the non-existent overflow tube. The self discharge rate is low too. I have two CB750s with AGM and they last just fine. I've gotten over 10 years in my Jet Ski with an AGM and replaced it due to age, even though it worked fine pounded by the sea for 400 hours. Even my vibrating Kawasaki triples like AGM and that's saying something lol. If you want a bit more voltage on your CB750 tweak the VR, mine is at 14.25ish volts just like the pb units it replaced. I use a cheap low output 1 amp charger over the winter for a few hours every
 month and it works fine, I just watch the topping voltage at the end of charge.

Amen.  I went with AGM when I got Dorothy in 2011 and never looked back, never had the reason to use anything else. 

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