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Offline slyguy

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Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« on: January 16, 2024, 09:29:55 AM »
I cleaned & removed loose paint. Should I primer & what paint? It seems like it’s a satin finish all its own?

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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2024, 04:38:01 PM »
I've read that a semi gloss is close
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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2024, 05:18:40 PM »
Definitely a semi gloss. Honda never primed anything, so you could just feather the edges and hit it again. For a really smooth and lasting finish I bead blasted mine clean, very light coat of zinc chromate primer and a couple of top coats. I probably used Armor Coat products.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2024, 05:33:13 PM by BenelliSEI »

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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2024, 06:10:47 PM »
Wonderful, Thanks guys👍

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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2024, 07:12:16 PM »
Dupli Color DE1635 is a spot on match it sprays well and will not cause lifting.
Scuff and feather with gray scotch brite.Clean thoroughly with Naphtha.
I would prefer to media blast and put a couple fresh coats on. It will look better and i prefer not to put paint over paint if at all possible. The Dulpi Color is made to go directly on bare metal.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2024, 09:03:24 PM by Ozzybud »
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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2024, 04:02:30 AM »
Remove all old paint. The old can flake off, an even surface tricky to get.

I used 2k rattle can.
https://www.spraydosen-shop.de...?a=336656&bewertung_anzeigen=1
Maybe not exact match.
I did my other bike's yoke plus a spare.

I painted 3 pilot lamp holders  "dashboard" at the same time.
The rattle can to be used within a few hours.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2024, 04:14:40 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2024, 07:16:51 AM »
Remove all old paint. The old can flake off, an even surface tricky to get.

I used 2k rattle can.
https://www.spraydosen-shop.de...?a=336656&bewertung_anzeigen=1
Maybe not exact match.
I did my other bike's yoke plus a spare.

I painted 3 pilot lamp holders  "dashboard" at the same time.
The rattle can to be used within a few hours.


So is a brand new "dashboard" brown wood grain or were they darker and faded over time to what it looks like in your picture ??

Bill

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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2024, 11:28:54 AM »
Remove all old paint. The old can flake off, an even surface tricky to get.

I used 2k rattle can.
https://www.spraydosen-shop.de...?a=336656&bewertung_anzeigen=1
Maybe not exact match.
I did my other bike's yoke plus a spare.

I painted 3 pilot lamp holders  "dashboard" at the same time.
The rattle can to be used within a few hours.


So is a brand new "dashboard" brown wood grain or were they darker and faded over time to what it looks like in your picture ??

Bill
Dashboard is old Honda. Sunbleached. No paint from the very beginning.
I think it was anodized aluminum.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2024, 11:44:58 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2024, 02:08:51 PM »
Remove all old paint. The old can flake off, an even surface tricky to get.

I used 2k rattle can.
https://www.spraydosen-shop.de...?a=336656&bewertung_anzeigen=1
Maybe not exact match.
I did my other bike's yoke plus a spare.

I painted 3 pilot lamp holders  "dashboard" at the same time.
The rattle can to be used within a few hours.


So is a brand new "dashboard" brown wood grain or were they darker and faded over time to what it looks like in your picture ??

Bill
Dashboard is old Honda. Sunbleached. No paint from the very beginning.
I think it was anodized aluminum.

There are some repro ones avail that do not seem to be brown wood grain around the jewels.
https://z1parts.net/honda-cb750-cb550-cb500-cb350-upper-holder-indicator/

Which made me start to wonder what they actually looked like new in 1972.

More pictures here of one called a NOS

https://www.nospartsnow.com/nos-honda-cb500-k0-cb750-k2-k4-handlebar-holder-pilot-light-box-53133-323-000/



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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2024, 02:41:44 PM »
 I like the VHT roll bar and chassis paint.
No matter how many times you paint over a shadow, it's still there.
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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2024, 09:39:59 PM »
Remove all old paint. The old can flake off, an even surface tricky to get.

I used 2k rattle can.
https://www.spraydosen-shop.de...?a=336656&bewertung_anzeigen=1
Maybe not exact match.
I did my other bike's yoke plus a spare.

I painted 3 pilot lamp holders  "dashboard" at the same time.
The rattle can to be used within a few hours.


So is a brand new "dashboard" brown wood grain or were they darker and faded over time to what it looks like in your picture ??

Bill
Dashboard is old Honda. Sunbleached. No paint from the very beginning.
I think it was anodized aluminum.

There are some repro ones avail that do not seem to be brown wood grain around the jewels.
https://z1parts.net/honda-cb750-cb550-cb500-cb350-upper-holder-indicator/

Which made me start to wonder what they actually looked like new in 1972.

More pictures here of one called a NOS

https://www.nospartsnow.com/nos-honda-cb500-k0-cb750-k2-k4-handlebar-holder-pilot-light-box-53133-323-000/
Yes, that's how they looked like when new. Brushed alu.
Order of lights and text variants depending on year. CB750 K0-K1 did not have this. Idiot lamps in gauges.



The new aftermarket look very cheap when HONDA text is flat, not relief as original.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2024, 10:17:24 PM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2024, 06:09:56 AM »
Definitely a semi gloss. Honda never primed anything, so you could just feather the edges and hit it again. For a really smooth and lasting finish I bead blasted mine clean, very light coat of zinc chromate primer and a couple of top coats. I probably used Armor Coat products.
   Same here, the zinc chromate primer was always the base before painting as it promotes superior adhesion to aluminum. Been doing it that way for 50 yrs...
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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2024, 08:40:01 AM »
Definitely a semi gloss. Honda never primed anything, so you could just feather the edges and hit it again. For a really smooth and lasting finish I bead blasted mine clean, very light coat of zinc chromate primer and a couple of top coats. I probably used Armor Coat products.
   Same here, the zinc chromate primer was always the base before painting as it promotes superior adhesion to aluminum. Been doing it that way for 50 yrs...

There are quite a few "DTM" (direct to metal) epoxy primers now suited to Aluminum. I used DP epoxy primer on my fork lowers in early 1990's...it is good, there are a few stone chips in the color-clear but the primer is still perfect. But DP is no longer made and the replacement is nowhere as good. Nailing down which primers are ok under which paints can be frustrating but I settled on Eastwood 1:1 epoxy primer with their urethane 3:1 single stage topcoat. It is also confusing because many of the primers intended for direct to metal cannot be used over body filler. The days of good old lacquer primer and every kind of auto body paint going over that fine were far simpler :-).

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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2024, 10:02:12 AM »
Definitely a semi gloss. Honda never primed anything, so you could just feather the edges and hit it again. For a really smooth and lasting finish I bead blasted mine clean, very light coat of zinc chromate primer and a couple of top coats. I probably used Armor Coat products.
   Same here, the zinc chromate primer was always the base before painting as it promotes superior adhesion to aluminum. Been doing it that way for 50 yrs...
The days of good old lacquer primer and every kind of auto body paint going over that fine were far simpler :-).

Bill
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Re: Painting 70’ ko upper triple tree question
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2024, 12:47:02 PM »
Definitely a semi gloss. Honda never primed anything, so you could just feather the edges and hit it again. For a really smooth and lasting finish I bead blasted mine clean, very light coat of zinc chromate primer and a couple of top coats. I probably used Armor Coat products.
   Same here, the zinc chromate primer was always the base before painting as it promotes superior adhesion to aluminum. Been doing it that way for 50 yrs...
The days of good old lacquer primer and every kind of auto body paint going over that fine were far simpler :-).

Bill
God, isn't that the truth....

If you start pressing them for answers about  compatibility they will tell you "well you could try it and see what happens" LOL. I bought some SEM primer at first because that seemed like a good choice, but you need a urethane primer over it anyway before a urethane topcoat.....or you could try it and see what happens according the the mfg of the urethane single stage LOL.

Bill