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Offline Rayzerman

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #100 on: September 23, 2024, 08:22:37 AM »
These are  in the mail......... appear to be JIS brand if that means anything.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/352927657994

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #101 on: September 23, 2024, 08:26:14 AM »
These are  in the mail......... appear to be JIS brand if that means anything.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/352927657994

"Brand  JIS moto"

Personally, I would be leery of these. 
Plz let us know how they work out.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #102 on: September 23, 2024, 08:36:30 AM »
Hey Mark, I installed your ignition and kept the condensers in the circuit….what happens if a condenser fails?

Thanks

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #103 on: September 23, 2024, 09:05:30 AM »
These are  in the mail......... appear to be JIS brand if that means anything.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/352927657994

"Brand  JIS moto"

Personally, I would be leery of these. 
Plz let us know how they work out.

I looked at the pics;doesn't look bad,imo.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #104 on: October 09, 2024, 04:22:05 PM »
Update - received the "JIS" points and condenser set.  Condensers look very similar to the 4-in-1 set, points have no markings and also look similar.  I thought there might be a punch pattern on the plate to indicate a flattening operation, but there isn't.  They are obviously better, but not OEM quality. I do notice that the notches for adjusting are in a slightly better position, just saying they aren't the same as 4-in-1's.

When I installed the right point set from 4-in-1, I could not set any gap, I mean none.  The backing plate wasn't flat, and needed flattening and a twist of the bracket to open up the gap... obviously I wasn't that successful as it was difficult to set a gap consistently.... junk.  With the JIS I did not have to tweak anything, just installed it and set the gap.  They are better..... I have the carbs off, so can't test these just yet, but expecting them to be "ok:.......

However, I'll jump all on board with getting the known good ones that many of you have posted about.  Don't even bother with these no-name things....... if I had done that in the first place, I would have saved money and aggravation.

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #105 on: October 09, 2024, 06:28:35 PM »
Hey Mark, I installed your ignition and kept the condensers in the circuit….what happens if a condenser fails?

Thanks

Sorry to miss this earlier: if the condensor fails with the Transistor Ignition connected, the bike doesn't want to rev much past about 3000 RPM, and it fouls sparkplugs VERY quickly from a weakened spark (and you'll smell unburned gas fumes from the pipes). Then the 'quick test' is to just disconnect the condensors and try riding again. If it straightens back up, you'll know the critter (by it's smell?).
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #106 on: October 12, 2024, 04:14:36 AM »
So why not recommend running the bike with the condensers installed but disconnected then Mark? if your little box failed just reconnect the existing blue/yellow wires and the condensers and good to go again. Seems a waste to risk the condensers for no real reason.

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #107 on: October 12, 2024, 08:09:50 AM »
I used Hondaman ignition without condensers for a while. Occasional misfires at higher rpm.
Better with condensers.

If the greeen wire is not connected to ign plate, lots of misfires and bangs. ;D
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #108 on: October 12, 2024, 09:25:50 AM »
So why not recommend running the bike with the condensers installed but disconnected then Mark? if your little box failed just reconnect the existing blue/yellow wires and the condensers and good to go again. Seems a waste to risk the condensers for no real reason.

Up to a point, I do: the mechanical realities of the spark advancer, though, need some help to work with the extremely-fast transistors. The silicon can switch millions of times faster than the points can from ON to OFF (or vice-versa) and the points cams have looseness between them and their pivot post in these 50-year-old machines. This can, in the worst cases, make for multiple-opening events of the point on the cam's opening ramp when the cam, swung to its outer loose measurement by centrifugal force, bounces back against the post as the foot of the points pushes against it while opening them. This is REAL bad in the CB350/450 bikes, to where one must go in and shim re-create the now-missing plastic shims under those points cams (they were plastic in the 1970s, now long gone), such that the bikes will be hard to start when my box is added: shimming them back to the spec'd 0.002"-0.006" clearance between the end of the points cam and its retaining washer on the end of the engine's cam will fix it instantly. In the SOHC4 bikes I occasionally see a spark advancer so worn that it happens, resulting in a noticeable power surge at about 2500 RPM when the points cam finally quits bouncing around, as the Transistor Ignition will faithfully follow that erratic spark.

The condensors will change the opening event of the points to a ramp instead of a [chattering] step in current, and then the transistors switch at 0.60 volt. If the condensors are leaking then the current is up-down-up-down very erratically, the Transistor Ignition faithfully follows those moves (making it a Multi-Spark like MSD?) which makes the engine run very rough as the spark timing changes for each cylinder when the condensors make the sawtooth-like waveforms from leakage.

It's interesting to watch on an oscilloscope, but a major annoyance to try to ride with. ;)

So: if the condensors are good, leave them connected to help the worn mechanical parts out and smooth the engine.
If the condensors are bad, just disconnect them (like mine) and enjoy the snappy low-end RPM below full spark-advance: it will feel more 'crisp', but if your advancer is badly worn it may feel 'stumbly' below full-advance when hot, instead.
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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #109 on: October 12, 2024, 09:31:20 AM »
I used Hondaman ignition without condensers for a while. Occasional misfires at higher rpm.
Better with condensers.

If the greeen wire is not connected to ign plate, lots of misfires and bangs. ;D
I forgot once and scared people walking by my garage. ;D

Yeah, the Ground wire's ring terminal creates a dissimilar-metal thermocouple with the points plate metal. This detects the temperature of the points plate and slightly increases the charge current to the coils when the points plate is cold (this presumes the engine is, also). If the wire is grounded somewhere else it both hides this feature (it will still run, just stays cold-blooded like with normal points) and it loses the crisp signal of the points at high RPM - which caused the missing you experienced. The engine generates all sorts of static charges from all the whizzing (and differing) metals moving inside, and the Transistor Ignition is very, very fast - so it thinks those are signals to fire! That's why it MUST be grounded right on the points plate screws.
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

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Re: Where do you buy your points from?
« Reply #110 on: October 12, 2024, 01:33:48 PM »
I have a NOS advance/retard mechanism so I'll try running with them disconnected and see how it performs. I have quite a few NOS condensers and quite a few sets of TEC points which I'm hanging onto until I work out IF I'll ever need them in the future.