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Re: Don Imus
« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2007, 06:05:50 PM »
Oh yea Ernie, I listen to your views. It was on the evening news which I rarely watch.
Us po folks have no cable either. ;D

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« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2007, 06:59:47 AM »
Wow...kinda sorry I brought this up! I haven't been on much this weekend as I finally got a bit of a chance to ride so missed out on all this fun! And to think I had posted this in the "Open" forum...  ;)

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« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2007, 07:03:33 AM »
Either this subject has been really big controversial in the US public, or nothing more has happened in the whole country for the last days, because I was astonished when I saw the news this afternoon and the Don Imus firing was covered in the spanish TV.

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« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2007, 07:38:20 AM »
  Raúl - did you catch the news about who the real father of Anna Nicole Smiths baby is?  I did :)

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« Reply #79 on: April 16, 2007, 07:46:09 AM »
Her death was covered here too, but her story is far more interesting. At least I knew who Anna was, while I didn't know who Don Imus was until this thread was opened....

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« Reply #80 on: April 16, 2007, 08:48:18 AM »
 I hadn't heard of Mr. Imus either.  The posters above  quickly focussed on some underlying important issues behind the headline story. Way to go guys.  :)  Thats what makes this site more than a MC site.  Sometimes I listen to the news and think 'Is this news? 'Do I need to know this? and 'Well duh'.  Heres a bit of one from our venerable CBC (well duh)
 
SEX TRADE WORKERS CASHING IN ON ALBERTA'S OIL BOOM
Last Updated: Monday, April 16, 2007 | 3:30 AM MT
CBC News

Alberta's red-hot economy appears to be fuelling a flourishing sex trade as prostitutes follow men to the oil and gas fields.

And they're making big money when they get there, the sex-trade workers say.....

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2007/04/16/alberta-prostitute-070416.html


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« Reply #81 on: April 16, 2007, 09:42:40 AM »
Thanks for the subject change David ;D

Sex making money, imagine that ;) You only need to know that
if your going out to the oil fields eh? ;D

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« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2007, 10:12:26 AM »
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« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2007, 10:17:44 AM »
I think Imus was WAY wrong.

But then again, racism will not go away(unfortunately) anyewhere in the near future IMO.
We all could get along if we were all blind.... but then i couldn't ride my bike.... guess I'll have to live in a world of people that (whether or not they admit/realize it) judgements/decisions are biased one way or anoither based on ones own skin tone, and the other persons in the situation.
sad but true.

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« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2007, 11:59:17 AM »
Everybody has been very considerate in this thread, which is refreshing. But I must say, it seems like the world we live in has taken us to a place where our rights, as layed out in the Constitution, are subject to the approval of our fellow man's often uninformed opinion. The fact of the matter is that the Constitution guarantees our right not only to say something unpopular, but also the right of same individual to not listen to what is being said. None of the girls assailed by Don Imus even heard what he said untill some busy- body pointed it out to them. They may even have had to have been told that they should find it offensive. Certainly black youth culture is prone to much worse, at least in my somewhat informed opnion. I weep for a nation that declares that the rights of the individual are userped by the highly subjective "feelings" of others. If someone hurts my feelings, I generally fight back or just ignore them, both of which are my right as an American. George Orwell was wrong; there is a big brother and he is you and I.
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Re: Don Imus
« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2007, 12:34:12 PM »
What's a zipperhead?


First, a little history (My history).  I lived in norther KY until I was 19.  I went to school with 4 black kids out of about 800.  These black kids acted just like us white kids and there was hardly any racism at all.  They were just normal kids to the rest of us, they dressed, talked, walked, and acted just like all of the white kids and they were every bit as smart as the white kids.  To nearly all of the 800 other kids and the teachers too, they were just kids.

Now I live in the Deep South.  Down here, I am called a yankee.  Down here, the differences between the majority of whites and the majority of blacks is absolutely phenomenal.  Yes, there are some whites that I wouldn't trust to give my dogs water and there are some blacks that I fit right in with and I laugh when they laugh and cry when they cry. 

But.........It hurts me to say, that living in this environment has created within my head a lot of filthy images, ideas, and prejudices towards blacks.  I can't help it.  I truly try to overcome this.  My job consists of dealing with the worst of the worst of the black community.  I know that this is not the way that I should see all blacks, and I don't.  What I am saying though, is that when you have been steeped in the dirtiest depths of something, you come out with a faul taste that is hard to get rid of.

I'm not saying that anything is right or wrong, just the way it is.  Most people have real reasons for the way they feel and if we took the time to try and understand this, we'd most likely be able to fix the problems.

Now, go ahead and blast away.  I know someone out there is going to make me feel like #$%* for trying to say what I feel.  Even though no one here has ever talked to me in person and you will all read these words the way YOU want to read them and not so much the way I wrote them.
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« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2007, 12:39:53 PM »
JP, it all depends on where you are. Problems like this change from region to region and can get worse depending on the population.  This is why earlier I said that there was just as much racism in the south as anywhere else.  There is nothing wrong with what you have said. You spoke truthfully. You at least try to control your actions towards others and that is all anyone can really ask.

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« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2007, 12:49:15 PM »
JP, I think you are one of the few who are actually being honest! Everyone has biases and prejudices but not all of us are aware of them. ANYBODY who says that they don't is either lying or is basically totally oblivious to the world around them.

Some of these biases are passed down from our parents or other sources and some we form on our own. We are creatures of habit and we do pick up on our environment and even subconciously pick up on things. The media even plays a role in this. No I am not saying that South Park has made me a racist or anything like that but rather it will subtly shift how we perceive things and perception is reality.

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« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2007, 05:32:03 PM »
I hadn't heard of Mr. Imus either.  The posters above  quickly focussed on some underlying important issues behind the headline story. Way to go guys.  :)  Thats what makes this site more than a MC site.  Sometimes I listen to the news and think 'Is this news? 'Do I need to know this? and 'Well duh'.  Heres a bit of one from our venerable CBC (well duh)
 
SEX TRADE WORKERS CASHING IN ON ALBERTA'S OIL BOOM
Last Updated: Monday, April 16, 2007 | 3:30 AM MT
CBC News

Alberta's red-hot economy appears to be fuelling a flourishing sex trade as prostitutes follow men to the oil and gas fields.

And they're making big money when they get there, the sex-trade workers say.....

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2007/04/16/alberta-prostitute-070416.html


Dave, that story is far better than the Imus deal. I have switched to Satellite radio to escape lame radio.
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« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2007, 07:22:38 PM »
Cafehonda, well said!


Just one thought on bias. It's ok to prefer to be with one group of people as opposed to another.
That's why I'm over here on the Honda forum. The thing that is not ok is to treat anyone unfairly
because they don't fit the mold (whether that mold be color, relegion, place of birth etc...) we want them to fit.
That's were the problem with bias arrives. Sounds like JP has a good handle on this.

As to being called a Yankee coming from Kentucky like you do JP.
When we moved up to Virginia and went back home to visit one of
my wifes uncles called us Yankees.  ;D 

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Re: Don Imus
« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2007, 07:35:24 AM »
Yeah, Yankee ;D  Ridiculous, isn't it!

But really, what are people from florida?  I don't consider them to be southern, and yet they are all the way at the bottom. ???  Anyone else in this boat?

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« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2007, 06:32:51 PM »
No, I jumped ship  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #92 on: April 18, 2007, 07:13:17 AM »
JP, out of curiosity, in what context do you come in contact with these folks?

Personally, from traveling around the country, IMHO a more noticable influence is not so much the region of the country, all though that is part of it, but more so, the demographics (?). Larger city versus small town/rural area. The smaller the environs the more likely you are to "know" the other party or their family, etc. Contact with others that are different race/religion/whatever is likely to be greater in a smaller environment....assuming that it is not a homogenous environment. Racist attitudes can most certainly exist in a smaller town, but it tends to be more private, more subtle, or it tends to be about them other big city members of the group. you know, "We all get along here in Podunk, but them ones in Metropolis...no there's where the problem is"

I grew up in a multi-racial neighborhood, which was somewhat unusal back in those days. Went to all the schools that were on the wrong side of the tracks and the ones 90+% of the minorities went to...this was before busing. Race was not that significant of a deal, most certainly not to us as it was to the kids that went to the virtually all white schools in the district. THough my boys grew up in a rural area with no kids their own age around at all, the were sent into town to a Catholic school, which was multiracial. They played rocket football for years on teams which had only 2-3 white kids on the team. Race didn't mean much of anything to them. In our extended family we have mixed marriages, adoptions, etc of different races and we all gather together at the Holidays as one family.

Now that being said, after finishing school in Arizona, my son got an internship and a job in California, the Bay area...East Bay.Near the Berekly/Oakland line and because of the outragious prices there, he ended up renting a place the first year in north Oakland. Fortunately, he's a pretty adaptive kid, quick on his feet and a survivor. Said for the first 3 months he lived there, he thought his name was "cracker" because thats what most in his neighborhood called him and it wasn't in a joking friendly manner. SOme would stop and ask, "Hey cracker, what you doin' here?". Standing in line a neghborhood corner stroes and get ignored until everyone else left. Going into the corner bar and have everybody in the place stop what they were doing and stand there looking at him. After a while a lot of his neighbors got to know him and he got treated better, but it was an eye-opening experience for him and you could feel the contempt and racism when he talked about living there. But the interesting thing, his attutide only seemed to be limited to those in that inner city. He comes back home and you don't see it in him here when dealing with the different people back here. Don't know exactly what you would call that...a selective racism based on locality? Survival instinct racism???  He's a sound engineer and he wroked a number of Venues in Oakland where he was one of a few if not the only non-minority at the show and never had a problem. Maybe its a situational racism? A form of profiling?
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« Reply #93 on: April 18, 2007, 08:45:43 AM »

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« Reply #94 on: April 18, 2007, 08:53:05 AM »
So where are sharpton and jackson on this one?

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_5277265,00.html

I'm betting that according to Jackson and Sharpton, it's not really the two brothers fault. If we gave them the reparations they deserved, they wouldn't be forced to carjack a 4-runner and kill the owners, they could just buy their own.
Obviously 'the mans' fault here. :/
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« Reply #95 on: April 18, 2007, 09:04:31 AM »
Yeah I bet! >:(

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« Reply #96 on: April 18, 2007, 09:10:43 AM »
So where are sharpton and jackson on this one?

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_5277265,00.html

Sorry, but what in the H does tha story have anything at all to do with IMUS. Sharpton, Jackson, or virtually anything else discussed in this thread other than racism, possibly...as no race was mentioned at all of any of the folks mentioned in the article. Well, other than maybe your own bias showing thru...that linked story sure seems off the wall?????

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« Reply #97 on: April 18, 2007, 09:20:54 AM »
So where are sharpton and jackson on this one?

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_5277265,00.html

Sorry, but what in the H does tha story have anything at all to do with IMUS. Sharpton, Jackson, or virtually anything else discussed in this thread other than racism, possibly...as no race was mentioned at all of any of the folks mentioned in the article. Well, other than maybe your own bias showing thru...that linked story sure seems off the wall?????

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He brought it up because Sharpton and many of the other minority leaders are ready to jump on the stupid comments of some dip#$%* shock-jock because of racism, but when blacks kill some kids for their car, racism isn't mentioned...
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« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2007, 09:24:23 AM »
Charlie, are you sure you should be riding if you couldn't make that connection? I thought it was VERY obvious what I was referring to. Yet you somehow come up with that being my bias somehow? Now that is a crazy leap of logic there.

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« Reply #99 on: April 18, 2007, 03:38:20 PM »
   Charlie, that's my 'hood your son lived in. I'm guessing he was somewhere near Dr. Martin Luther King jr. Way between 58th and 32nd st.  I have to agree with you that population density has more to do with attitudes than what state you're in. Economics are a big factor as well.

      A lot of people think of California as either San Francisco Bay Area or Los Angeles. Anyone visiting portions of either of these cities might come away with the notion that "people in California" are close-minded, racist, and just plain crazy. Travel just 20 miles and you might come away thinking just the opposite.

 I was born and raised in Berkeley, but I tell people I'm from Oakland 'cause even though some Berkeleyites like to think of themselves as openminded, freethinking, earth loving "whatevers" they tend to be pretty close-minded and just downright hateful people. From this I have learned that whatever you think about yourself, chances are your wrong unless you can open up to others opinions.

   As far as the "Imus's" of the world go, I think that we, as a society, are really blowing it by getting all indignant and trying to shut them up. Whatever happened to "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me". As long as people are saying what's on their mind there is an opportunity for dialogue and exchange. Want a different voice to be heard? Quit #$%*ing, get out and be that voice.
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