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Offline Mr.D

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The holy grail of headlights
« on: August 07, 2025, 09:19:09 PM »
For me the holy grail of headlights would be an LED sealed-unit that looks vintage in every way but is much brighter -- same physical look as stock (not the usual futuristic-looking monstrosity), same color temperature, same beam pattern -- just brighter - and with the benefit of less power draw.

Looked for this about 12 years ago and nothing even came close. Just had another look and surprisingly found two potential candidates:

Holley RetroBright: https://www.holley.com/products/electrical/led_lighting/retrobright/parts/LFRB135

Revival Secret LED 7" Retro Vintage: https://revivalcycles.com/products/secret-led?srsltid=AfmBOop_5m-KIA6eEi9TIKVNR6-GS6CjOeksWaIwl8OEwPpCWUHneeGI

Anybody tried either?  (I know, I know, the price is insane, especially for the Holley, but I'm still curious!)
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2025, 09:34:08 PM »
For me the holy grail of headlights would be an LED sealed-unit that looks vintage in every way but is much brighter -- same physical look as stock (not the usual futuristic-looking monstrosity), same color temperature, same beam pattern -- just brighter - and with the benefit of less power draw.

Looked for this about 12 years ago and nothing even came close. Just had another look and surprisingly found two potential candidates:

Holley RetroBright: https://www.holley.com/products/electrical/led_lighting/retrobright/parts/LFRB135

Revival Secret LED 7" Retro Vintage: https://revivalcycles.com/products/secret-led?srsltid=AfmBOop_5m-KIA6eEi9TIKVNR6-GS6CjOeksWaIwl8OEwPpCWUHneeGI

Anybody tried either?  (I know, I know, the price is insane, especially for the Holley, but I'm still curious!)
I've got the classic white Holley RetroBright. I'm so impressed w it, I'm getting a pair for my '51 Chevy and '87 Dodge pickups.

I also pitched all the LEDs from Common Motor and went w Holley RetroBright 1156 and 1157 classic white signal and brake bulbs on the Honda.

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2025, 12:25:07 AM »
Last year I read a test of aftermarket Led headlamps. Best was the Osram Nightbreaker Led Pro. I don't know if it will easily fit in our headlights. Unlike you, I am not tempted to go for the brightest, which I consider a childish fantasy. My Philips 60/55 watts H4 Vision Plus offers me all I need. The bulb refuses to die. I have a Philips Extreme vision waiting still in its blister. In Europe we don't have a charging problem and, as I frequent British, German and French SOHC Four sites, I can assure it exists in this forum only.
It seems the more shortcomings you can list about our bikes, the more people will hold you for an expert...
I remember the Goldwing GL1100D we rode in Canada and the US in 1989. It had extra lights. Only... when I switched them on, I couldn't see any difference. What is the purpose of trying to brighten up what is bright already?!
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2025, 04:34:14 AM »
The holly grail back when the bikes were current was the Cibie
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2025, 06:14:44 AM »
Last year I read a test of aftermarket Led headlamps. Best was the Osram Nightbreaker Led Pro. I don't know if it will easily fit in our headlights. Unlike you, I am not tempted to go for the brightest, which I consider a childish fantasy. My Philips 60/55 watts H4 Vision Plus offers me all I need. The bulb refuses to die. I have a Philips Extreme vision waiting still in its blister. In Europe we don't have a charging problem and, as I frequent British, German and French SOHC Four sites, I can assure it exists in this forum only.
It seems the more shortcomings you can list about our bikes, the more people will hold you for an expert...
I remember the Goldwing GL1100D we rode in Canada and the US in 1989. It had extra lights. Only... when I switched them on, I couldn't see any difference. What is the purpose of trying to brighten up what is bright already?!
My advice: stop drooling in fantasies developed by advertisements.
That's what I like about the Holley RetroBrights, they're as bright as an H4 halogen conversion and they look totally correct for the era in the classic white color, but they have a clean crisp even pattern that doesn't have any of the hot or dim spots of sealed beams or halogens. It was designed as a complete package, bulb and reflector, to be a real solution for vintage vehicles.

Another bonus of the RetroBrights is that if the LED ever fails, it can be removed from the reflector housing and replaced for a fraction of the cost of the complete unit.

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2025, 09:15:50 AM »
The holly grail back when the bikes were current was the Cibie
Not easy to get one today.
I have searched. It must be a NOS stock somewhere.

I have used Hella H4 reflectors, but the metal light pattern gadget inside will very soon come loose and rattle around inside making marks on the reflector surface.

It happened very soon in the 80's and continued to do so 35 years after  with new units.
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2025, 09:51:43 AM »
I picked up one if the summit brand lights.   Haven't ridden with it, but it looks pretty normal compared to the ebay/amazon offerings and is way less than the holley.
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2025, 12:11:33 PM »
For me the holy grail of headlights would be an LED sealed-unit that looks vintage in every way but is much brighter -- same physical look as stock (not the usual futuristic-looking monstrosity), same color temperature, same beam pattern -- just brighter - and with the benefit of less power draw.

Looked for this about 12 years ago and nothing even came close. Just had another look and surprisingly found two potential candidates:

Holley RetroBright: https://www.holley.com/products/electrical/led_lighting/retrobright/parts/LFRB135

Revival Secret LED 7" Retro Vintage: https://revivalcycles.com/products/secret-led?srsltid=AfmBOop_5m-KIA6eEi9TIKVNR6-GS6CjOeksWaIwl8OEwPpCWUHneeGI

Anybody tried either?  (I know, I know, the price is insane, especially for the Holley, but I'm still curious!)
I've got the classic white Holley RetroBright. I'm so impressed w it, I'm getting a pair for my '51 Chevy and '87 Dodge pickups.

I also pitched all the LEDs from Common Motor and went w Holley RetroBright 1156 and 1157 classic white signal and brake bulbs on the Honda.

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Thanks for sharing! I'm still debating, but may end up going with that one.
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2025, 12:24:00 PM »
Last year I read a test of aftermarket Led headlamps. Best was the Osram Nightbreaker Led Pro. I don't know if it will easily fit in our headlights. Unlike you, I am not tempted to go for the brightest, which I consider a childish fantasy. My Philips 60/55 watts H4 Vision Plus offers me all I need. The bulb refuses to die. I have a Philips Extreme vision waiting still in its blister. In Europe we don't have a charging problem and, as I frequent British, German and French SOHC Four sites, I can assure it exists in this forum only.
It seems the more shortcomings you can list about our bikes, the more people will hold you for an expert...
I remember the Goldwing GL1100D we rode in Canada and the US in 1989. It had extra lights. Only... when I switched them on, I couldn't see any difference. What is the purpose of trying to brighten up what is bright already?!
My advice: stop drooling in fantasies developed by advertisements.

I appreciate the reply, but really I don't remember saying I wanted "the brightest". I just want something brighter than the crappy original one that's on the bike now, which I can barely tell if it's on or not. Because of the low power draw, LED seems like a good option (because... why not have less draw on the system??), yet thus far I have not found one that I like. Was merely asking for opinions on the ones that I had found.

I may still end up going for a halogen one as they have the best selection, are widely available, and are cheap and reliable. But I don't think it's "childish" to explore what new tech is out there as a possibility. Everything is a "childish fantasy" until one day it's not and suddenly you look around and it's the new standard.
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2025, 01:35:15 PM »
I don’t know if this be merely highly fortuitous or highly lucky; in any case, however, I think I might have a perfect* solution.

I hope that this sincerely help all concerned, as I, too, have been looking for something such as this. In my research, I found that LEDs don’t make good replacements as they radiate light in a different manner than the filament of a halogen bulb, causing blinding glare to other drivers, even when using the dipped beam. I read Daniel Sterns** page on lighting [see below] and read atop that. I Even asked him for a recommendation for a headlight, and he advised for the Philips sealed-beam unit (which basically looks like the same TruckLite unit one can also buy). This left me, as I’m sure it did the rest of you—all of us—scrounging through the straw searching for the proverbial needle. I strongly feel that Deltarider is right to suspect that the Osram LEDs are promising, and they may indeed be just the solution for which we all are looking.

Just yesterday I found out about those very bulbs; and, as it turns out, they are tested and approved for road-use in many right-hand traffic (left-hand drive) countries across Europe! They test them in the laboratory paired with different headlamps and see if the combination thereof pass the ECE R112 regulation (the European equivalent to FMVSS 108). They list, for each country accepting the Osram LED headlight bulbs, a full table of lamps and bulbs laboratory tested theremid, for truck, car, and motorcycle.

Now, as luck would have it, the Koito 7” round lamps not only fit perfectly, but they Also are certified as compatible with the Osram road-legal LEDs! The lamps are some of—if not The—best performing lamps in terms of light spread and beam pattern, according to Daniel Stern; and, according to him, they surpass the old Cibié headlamps. They have fluted glass and are a perfect fit to our SOHC4s. I looked up the code on mine and confirmed just now that it indeed is tested and approved to be used on continental European roadways, without blinding glare. They can be had for quite cheap straight from Toyota, too [see the linked forum thread below on the cheap Koito lamps wherein links to suppliers from which to purchase them can be found].

Not Only That, however: Osram makes an H4 LED headlight with a kelvin rating of 2700 that was designed to mimic perfectly the appearance of a halogen bulb. I am, as of submitting this post, going to be ordering some bulbs from a parts supplier in the Netherlands [linked below].

In short: this can be an easy way to get precisely that which Mr.D stated he wanted—a brighter (semi-)sealed lamp housing which together with its LED bulb is both brighter than stock and yet unblinding to other drivers whilst at the same time maintaining a pefrcet look or originality; all of which—in mine estimation—these bulbs and lamps strongly do.

Once I have them and everything all set up, if anyone should want, then i can report back on here my personal opinions on the lights, as well as how I felt they performed.

*subjective opinion aside
**a professional lighting consultant: https://www.danielsternlighting.com/about/about.html

References:

Daniel Stern about lights other than halogen: https://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

The Philips LED Headlamp: https://www.usa.philips.com/c-e/au/car-lights/led-interior-and-exterior-lighting/led-integral-beam

Compatibility Lists for Vehicles & Countries: https://www.osram.com/nb-led

Forum Thread on Cheap Koito Lamps: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,204735.msg2310339/

The Osram Bulbs: https://retrofitlab.com/products/osram-ledriving-r-hl-vintage-h4-h19-r2-warm-white-halogen-look-led-2-700-k?_pos=1&_sid=ca057c3cf&_ss=r
 

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2025, 11:00:39 PM »
Compliments Nachtderuntoten. Looks like you have found a good match, provided the assembly of reflector and LED bulb will fit in the bucket.
Will I do it? Nah... I seldomly ride in the dark and the price for the LED is a bit steep. Testwinner Osram Nightbreaker Led Pro will cost you around: € 85,- in Europe.
For dayriding I suggest a yellow plastic sheet that will stick (and is easy to remove) for optimum safety. See pic. Off topic: in that pic I like how the front blinkers are positioned.
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2025, 11:23:41 PM »
Compliments Nachtderuntoten. Looks like you have found a good match.
Will I do it? Nah... I seldomly ride in the dark and the price for the LED is a bit steep. The price for the testwinner Osram Nightbreaker Led Pro in Europe is around: € 85,-.
For dayriding I suggest a yellow plastic sheet that will stick (and is easy to remove) for optimum safety. See pic. Off topic: in that pic I like how the front blinkers are positioned.

¿To colour the lights, you mean?

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2025, 01:40:02 AM »
Research has proved that a yellow headlight is the safest option for motorcyclists. They stand out from the rest and are better noticed, both oncoming as well as in rear mirrors. Owners of even modern bikes who are daily riders like comuters opt for this extra safe DRL by modifying their original clear headlights.
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2025, 06:56:52 AM »
This is a headlight that has worked for me…… for 23 years.
Sylvania H6024XV $20 available everywhere in US and Amazon.
I’m a daytime only lights on rider and this headlight served for 23 years 50000 miles without fail.
The old one was made in USA, new one is made in China. I hope the new one does as well.
If I’m riding this Honda 23 years from now it will be a miracle!

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EDIT.I hope the new one does as well.
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2025, 07:28:14 AM »
My SEV Marchal (sort of) from Yamiya has the little bulb in the bottom, I think it's called a parking light? Stays on while running, makes daytime riding a little safer, I don't ride at night.
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2025, 10:54:51 AM »
Compliments Nachtderuntoten. Looks like you have found a good match, provided the assembly of reflector and LED bulb will fit in the bucket.

Yea, true; my thought exactly; though i'll definitely see once they arrive whether or not the bulb in lamp will fit into the headlight bucket.

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2025, 11:00:46 AM »
Research has proved that a yellow headlight is the safest option for motorcyclists. They stand out from the rest and are better noticed, both oncoming as well as in rear mirrors. Owners of even modern bikes who are daily riders like comuters opt for this extra safe DRL by modifying their original clear headlights.

I remember reading about this. France legislated selective yellow lights until 1992/3*, correct?

I know that in Britain is the legality of yellow headlights not in question. Is that the same for the rest of Europe? Unfortunately here, though, the FMVSS 108 specify 'white' only for headlights.**

*Monaco, from what little i have read of it, still legislates selective yellow headlights(**)
**although whether or not these laws be strictly enforced--or enforced at all--defies my knowledge.


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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2025, 11:02:06 AM »
For dayriding I suggest a yellow plastic sheet that will stick (and is easy to remove) for optimum safety. See pic. Off topic: in that pic I like how the front blinkers are positioned.

Which (selective) yellow film do you use? How do you personally apply it to your own bikes?

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2025, 11:04:21 AM »
I also pitched all the LEDs from Common Motor and went w Holley RetroBright 1156 and 1157 classic white signal and brake bulbs on the Honda.

How do/are you like/liking the led bulbs?
How well does the 1157 brake/stop-light bulb work?

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2025, 11:05:58 AM »
Cibie was the best headlight when they still made the reflectors. Standard drop in H4 housing, add relays and a quality H4 bulb and you've got the holy grail. Cibie (now owned by Valeo) stopped making several of their H4 reflectors as the dies wore out and quality was not consistent. I have several Cibie reflectors in various bikes and other vehicles, they are fantastic.

Now Koito has filled the void and is every bit as good as Cibie, if not better. They aren't cheap, but neither was Cibie. Actually they can be had cheap in our 7" round style... Toyota PN 81110-60P70 is a pair of Koito 7" round reflectors, bulbs, and relays. For $35-$40 it's a steal. Readily available from Toyota and all over the internet (https://www.ebay.com/p/24013752462).

Granted for a bike the relays are full sizeand you may prefer to use a smaller relay you can tuck in the bucket. I use Panasonic 20A micro relays available from Eastern Beaver (https://www.easternbeaver.com/relays/) and Cycle Terminal(https://www.cycleterminal.com/accessory-relays.html).

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2025, 11:09:02 AM »
Cibie was the best headlight when they still made the reflectors. Standard drop in H4 housing, add relays and a quality H4 bulb and you've got the holy grail. Cibie (now owned by Valeo) stopped making several of their H4 reflectors as the dies wore out and quality was not consistent. I have several Cibie reflectors in various bikes and other vehicles, they are fantastic.

Now Koito has filled the void and is every bit as good as Cibie, if not better. They aren't cheap, but neither was Cibie. Actually they can be had cheap in our 7" round style... Toyota PN 81110-60P70 is a pair of Koito 7" round reflectors, bulbs, and relays. For $35-$40 it's a steal. Readily available from Toyota and all over the internet (https://www.ebay.com/p/24013752462).

Granted for a bike the relays are full sizeand you may prefer to use a smaller relay you can tuck in the bucket. I use Panasonic 20A micro relays available from Eastern Beaver (https://www.easternbeaver.com/relays/) and Cycle Terminal(https://www.cycleterminal.com/accessory-relays.html).

Toyota even makes a right-hand-drive/left-hand-traffic version, too, although i had to search a bit to find one, and neither could i find it for less than around 100-150$usd.

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2025, 06:20:29 PM »
I don’t know if this be merely highly fortuitous or highly lucky; in any case, however, I think I might have a perfect* solution.

I hope that this sincerely help all concerned, as I, too, have been looking for something such as this. In my research, I found that LEDs don’t make good replacements as they radiate light in a different manner than the filament of a halogen bulb, causing blinding glare to other drivers, even when using the dipped beam. I read Daniel Sterns** page on lighting [see below] and read atop that. I Even asked him for a recommendation for a headlight, and he advised for the Philips sealed-beam unit (which basically looks like the same TruckLite unit one can also buy). This left me, as I’m sure it did the rest of you—all of us—scrounging through the straw searching for the proverbial needle. I strongly feel that Deltarider is right to suspect that the Osram LEDs are promising, and they may indeed be just the solution for which we all are looking.

Just yesterday I found out about those very bulbs; and, as it turns out, they are tested and approved for road-use in many right-hand traffic (left-hand drive) countries across Europe! They test them in the laboratory paired with different headlamps and see if the combination thereof pass the ECE R112 regulation (the European equivalent to FMVSS 108). They list, for each country accepting the Osram LED headlight bulbs, a full table of lamps and bulbs laboratory tested theremid, for truck, car, and motorcycle.

Now, as luck would have it, the Koito 7” round lamps not only fit perfectly, but they Also are certified as compatible with the Osram road-legal LEDs! The lamps are some of—if not The—best performing lamps in terms of light spread and beam pattern, according to Daniel Stern; and, according to him, they surpass the old Cibié headlamps. They have fluted glass and are a perfect fit to our SOHC4s. I looked up the code on mine and confirmed just now that it indeed is tested and approved to be used on continental European roadways, without blinding glare. They can be had for quite cheap straight from Toyota, too [see the linked forum thread below on the cheap Koito lamps wherein links to suppliers from which to purchase them can be found].

Not Only That, however: Osram makes an H4 LED headlight with a kelvin rating of 2700 that was designed to mimic perfectly the appearance of a halogen bulb. I am, as of submitting this post, going to be ordering some bulbs from a parts supplier in the Netherlands [linked below].

In short: this can be an easy way to get precisely that which Mr.D stated he wanted—a brighter (semi-)sealed lamp housing which together with its LED bulb is both brighter than stock and yet unblinding to other drivers whilst at the same time maintaining a pefrcet look or originality; all of which—in mine estimation—these bulbs and lamps strongly do.

Once I have them and everything all set up, if anyone should want, then i can report back on here my personal opinions on the lights, as well as how I felt they performed.

*subjective opinion aside
**a professional lighting consultant: https://www.danielsternlighting.com/about/about.html

References:

Daniel Stern about lights other than halogen: https://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

The Philips LED Headlamp: https://www.usa.philips.com/c-e/au/car-lights/led-interior-and-exterior-lighting/led-integral-beam

Compatibility Lists for Vehicles & Countries: https://www.osram.com/nb-led

Forum Thread on Cheap Koito Lamps: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,204735.msg2310339/

The Osram Bulbs: https://retrofitlab.com/products/osram-ledriving-r-hl-vintage-h4-h19-r2-warm-white-halogen-look-led-2-700-k?_pos=1&_sid=ca057c3cf&_ss=r

I look forward to hearing how this works out for you! Am just a bit wary of pairing a reflector and an LED bulb, because I just tried a combo that was recommended to me (Hella reflector and AUXITO LED) and it did not turn out how I had hoped at all. Just a weird unfocused blob of light, with little difference between high and low beam. That's why I thought maybe a sealed unit would be a better option. But this sounds promising.
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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2025, 09:50:06 PM »
I don’t know if this be merely highly fortuitous or highly lucky; in any case, however, I think I might have a perfect* solution.

I hope that this sincerely help all concerned, as I, too, have been looking for something such as this. In my research, I found that LEDs don’t make good replacements as they radiate light in a different manner than the filament of a halogen bulb, causing blinding glare to other drivers, even when using the dipped beam. I read Daniel Sterns** page on lighting [see below] and read atop that. I Even asked him for a recommendation for a headlight, and he advised for the Philips sealed-beam unit (which basically looks like the same TruckLite unit one can also buy). This left me, as I’m sure it did the rest of you—all of us—scrounging through the straw searching for the proverbial needle. I strongly feel that Deltarider is right to suspect that the Osram LEDs are promising, and they may indeed be just the solution for which we all are looking.

Just yesterday I found out about those very bulbs; and, as it turns out, they are tested and approved for road-use in many right-hand traffic (left-hand drive) countries across Europe! They test them in the laboratory paired with different headlamps and see if the combination thereof pass the ECE R112 regulation (the European equivalent to FMVSS 108). They list, for each country accepting the Osram LED headlight bulbs, a full table of lamps and bulbs laboratory tested theremid, for truck, car, and motorcycle.

Now, as luck would have it, the Koito 7” round lamps not only fit perfectly, but they Also are certified as compatible with the Osram road-legal LEDs! The lamps are some of—if not The—best performing lamps in terms of light spread and beam pattern, according to Daniel Stern; and, according to him, they surpass the old Cibié headlamps. They have fluted glass and are a perfect fit to our SOHC4s. I looked up the code on mine and confirmed just now that it indeed is tested and approved to be used on continental European roadways, without blinding glare. They can be had for quite cheap straight from Toyota, too [see the linked forum thread below on the cheap Koito lamps wherein links to suppliers from which to purchase them can be found].

Not Only That, however: Osram makes an H4 LED headlight with a kelvin rating of 2700 that was designed to mimic perfectly the appearance of a halogen bulb. I am, as of submitting this post, going to be ordering some bulbs from a parts supplier in the Netherlands [linked below].

In short: this can be an easy way to get precisely that which Mr.D stated he wanted—a brighter (semi-)sealed lamp housing which together with its LED bulb is both brighter than stock and yet unblinding to other drivers whilst at the same time maintaining a pefrcet look or originality; all of which—in mine estimation—these bulbs and lamps strongly do.

Once I have them and everything all set up, if anyone should want, then i can report back on here my personal opinions on the lights, as well as how I felt they performed.

*subjective opinion aside
**a professional lighting consultant: https://www.danielsternlighting.com/about/about.html

References:

Daniel Stern about lights other than halogen: https://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

The Philips LED Headlamp: https://www.usa.philips.com/c-e/au/car-lights/led-interior-and-exterior-lighting/led-integral-beam

Compatibility Lists for Vehicles & Countries: https://www.osram.com/nb-led

Forum Thread on Cheap Koito Lamps: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,204735.msg2310339/

The Osram Bulbs: https://retrofitlab.com/products/osram-ledriving-r-hl-vintage-h4-h19-r2-warm-white-halogen-look-led-2-700-k?_pos=1&_sid=ca057c3cf&_ss=r

I look forward to hearing how this works out for you! Am just a bit wary of pairing a reflector and an LED bulb, because I just tried a combo that was recommended to me (Hella reflector and AUXITO LED) and it did not turn out how I had hoped at all. Just a weird unfocused blob of light, with little difference between high and low beam. That's why I thought maybe a sealed unit would be a better option. But this sounds promising.

Thanks!

Yea, i totally understand that; and i'm sorry about the bad experience—that must've been really disheartening.
From what I understand, the issue is that pairings of LEDs and headlights is a mixed grabbag of excellent to utter #$%*e as far as light spread & beam patterns go. That's why I'm really hopeful for this since Tüv Süd (a German approval agency) specifically approved this combination of bulb & lamp. Everything that I've read and heard about ECE approved lights is nothing but favourable, with some* opining that a light passing ECE actually performs better than one passing FMVSS.
Same sentiment here; my only concern remaining now is just—as ‘Deltarider’ brought up—whether it may fit or not. I'll be sure to let you know on a post here whether it work or not.

*As suggested/stated [I don't recall which] by Daniel Stern; but he's Not the only person to say as much...

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2025, 11:12:33 PM »
A yellow(ish) light in front has some advantages: it's better noticed in fog and snow. That's why in many countries you still find yellow headlights on locomotives. I had yellow quartz iodine bulbs in the Cibiés on my Peugeot 504 and they were the best headlights I ever had. What I particularly liked, was that the contrast (shadows) was not so freaking exaggerated and I was not irritated by reflections from road signs. I remember the French roads in those years: less risk to be blinded. It's still legal, but I assume EU ruling has nudged car manufacturers to harmonise. It's up to you though. You won't be fined.
That 'park light' aka 'city light' or 'pilot light' or 'position' light has little use, but... can be made useful. This is what I did.
In the headlamp bucket I disconnected the brown + wire from the position light and replaced it by a piece of black wire to a spare black connector. Yes, there are.
I then put a switch in the green - wire to the position light. I can now bring on the position light without the tail- and instrument lights. The added switch is hidden in between the speedo- and the tachometer, where it is hardly seen, so the classic looks of my bike are preserved.
In the headlight reflector I replaced the OEM Ba9s 4 Watts position light bulb by a dito 21 Watts halogen one (see pic), which I now use as DRL. The bulb is a bit yellowish which is better noticed and highlights you're a biker.
So this is what I have now:
During the day I switch on my DRL. All the rest remains off. Saves fuel and extends lifespan of bulbs. Realise that especially the little instrument lightbulbs do not live long and it is quite a hassle to replace them. With the taillight off, brakelight will be better noticed. The same goes for high beam flashes when you slide the PA switch. Not that I use that function often.
On entering a tunnel I simply slide the stock RH switch from . to 'P', which adds tail- and instrument lights. Exiting the tunnel I slide the switch back to ..
The rest remains the same, so when darkness falls, just sliding the standard switch to 'H' (headlight) brings on the 60/55 Watts Philips Vision Plus. My model has the standard dipswitch for HI and LO in the LH switch unit.
At night I can choose to switch off the DRL or leave it on.
The only thing I don't have anymore, is that when I turn the key switch to PARK , the front position light doesn't come on anymore, only the taillight. But that's what most markets had standard. And... I never used that PARK mode anyway.  :)
The arrangement is simple and the cost almost nothing: a switch I had lying around and that little halogen bulb (see pic). A further improvement would be to replace that 21W bulb by a LED, but so far I have not seen a Ba9s socket LED that spreads its light as nice as the halogen bulb. The ones I have seen are just disappointing dots (see pics).

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Re: The holy grail of headlights
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2025, 07:39:21 AM »
I also pitched all the LEDs from Common Motor and went w Holley RetroBright 1156 and 1157 classic white signal and brake bulbs on the Honda.

How do/are you like/liking the led bulbs?
How well does the 1157 brake/stop-light bulb work?
I love em. The Common Motor ones were cheap, kinda dim, and flickered at idle. The fronts didn't really dim at all either when not signaling. They were also a blueish white which I didn't care for.

The RetroBrights are bright and don't flicker at all at idle. They also look completely stock in color, and the flasher from Common works really well w them. It's not the abrupt on/off that most LEDs do but it's still not quite like an incandescent. You'd really be hard pressed to tell they're not original.
The brake light is completely illuminated too, not just a hot spot in the center, and it's really bright when the brake is applied.

All of my vintage vehicles will be getting a full set of the Holley's as I get around to it.

I'll snap some pics of em later today.

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