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engine cleaning/polishing
« on: July 13, 2008, 07:00:51 AM »
Ive looked around and done some research on polishing aluminum parts and engine blocks and such but I was wondering if anyone had a good method for the SOHC without having to remove the engine. So no powder coating or sandblasting, I just want to clean my block up and my other aluminum parts. I am also wondering how to if possible restore my pipes and the clamps that hold them to the block. They have been "heat stained" as I call it, the blue and purple discoloration, do they have a chance? they also have the black specs, I don't know if that is oxidization or what but it is not polishing out...

here are some pictures to show you what im talking about.

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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2008, 07:25:30 AM »
Keener,

I just finished my engine clean-up on a 1976 KZ900. Determined I was going to find a way to get them back without blasting and without clear coat. I was determined that I would have the shine finish or I would have to send these to England and let Stephen Smethurst do them for me. Mine were oxidized with white/gray scale, stained from years of neglect and oil leaks. I looked for something that would remove the scale.

I started by soaking them in $141 worth of NAPA's best 5 gallons of carb cleaner - nothing I soaked them in commercial, un-diluted aluminum cleaner acid would remove the scale - nothing but lots of foam and it turned the surface dark.
I soaked them in air conditioning coil cleaner - really strong stuff - same, still had the scale and the acid was turning it darker.
I used Purple Power, Greased Lightning - nothing would remove the stains and scale.

I called Stephen and during that conversation he mentioned that he has to put them into a "burnishing tumbler". This is not something you have at home. Unlike the vibrating polishers Eastwood (I have a small one), the burnisher is mechanically driven to rotate the part. I knew it was going to take something mechanical.

Determined that I was not going to blast them with beads, I looked for an assortment of wire brushes. I bought several different kinds and bristle type. I also bought several different round disc type to fit into my electric drill. In searching for one thin enough to fit into the fins and with long bristles, I found that the long, small diameter wire would easily go in between the fins and small areas of the cylinder, head, and cases. Once This cylinder was cleaned of grease, honed, gasket surfaces cleaned, then I spent 10 minutes with it on my bench, my son holding it for me and using an electric drill and that 5" fine-wire 1/4" think wire brush - I cleaned all of the scale and brought the original shine back to the finish. Use the right brush - not too still o it will gouge and you will simply be amazed at the speed and the nice shine that pops out. Every casting mark is left intact and the shine is probably better than new. Those wire disc are $4 each at many retailers like Lowes and Home Depot. I would imagine they are for paint removal. As a touch up, I would use a brass-bristle brush by hand to get any spots I'd missed. Those holes and small places? Wal-Mart sells universal gun-cleaning kits for about $10 which have 10 different steel brushes for small rifles and 12 gauge shotguns - those work perfectly chucked up into your drill.
Once you're done, wash the part in paint thinner or mineral spirits and then hot, soapy water, blow dry and lightly oil the bores and you're ready for assembly.

Hope this helps.

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Gordon

First pic - brush on left, beadblast right - no comparison.

















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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2008, 11:31:07 AM »
i gave it a go on a $40 buffing wheel from harbor freight, not too bad. this was just a few minutes to test the set up. i got the anodizing off of the master cylinder with oven cleaner. the hub i soaked in simple green for a few hours. i have to get some more abrasive compound, i only got white and blue because i had no idea what i was doing when i bought the compound. after reading up i realize it will be much easier with an assortment of compounds and a wheel for each one.







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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2008, 03:58:47 PM »
wow nice! you cant post some pictures of the exact brushes/wheels you used?  Also how about sandblaster with baking soda.  I have a 750F (Black motor) that i want to strip, and let me tell you half hour of aircraft stripper and that paint was laughing at it...didnt touch it!  Thanks

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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 07:39:44 PM »

not too still o it will gouge and you will simply be amazed at the speed and the nice shine that pops out.


Gordon, that looks amazing!  So all you used was a 5" wide, 1/4" thick steel brush to get that finish?  Or was it brass?  I assume you're advising not to hold the brush in one area for too long, or it will start marring the aluminum?  Again, looks great.

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 07:58:59 PM »
Nice job with that polishing!  That will be one of my next skills I need to aquire.  Specific details are appreciated!  ;)
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 08:43:19 PM »
Nice job with that polishing!  That will be one of my next skills I need to aquire.  Specific details are appreciated!  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2008, 04:18:14 PM »




I have a set of these brushes, use for those hard to get at places, if you can see it you can clean and polish it

http://www.machinerycleanery.com/index.htm

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Re: engine cleaning/polishing
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2008, 05:25:00 PM »
Blue Job should clean up the pipes.  http://www.blue-job.com/

Could you post pics of the brushes you used Gordon?  I'm having problems with my mental picture of the the 5"x1/4".  Good idea on using gun cleaning brushes in a drill.
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2008, 06:44:51 PM »
Guys, here is what you want - this is not the exact ones I bought, but it meets the criteria -

Large diameter and fine bristles - just chuck it up in your cordless and go - 1 brush will do an entire engine. Please remember to get the grease and grime off the engine first - this is mechanical to brush away the scale and oxidation. If the wheel gets greasy, it does not work as fast.

Do not get the coarse wire - it will leave marks and scratches. The fine wire will leave it clean and actually polish it to high-gloss if you want. The website I've linked even has some 6" fine-wire brushes - just remember that it's hard to get into the tight areas with the bigger brushes.

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Here is a link and a pic-

http://power-tools.hardwarestore.com/54-360-wire-wheel-brushes/vermont-american-crimped-wire-wheel-668058.aspx

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Re: engine cleaning/polishing
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2008, 08:21:04 PM »
Blue Job should clean up the pipes.  http://www.blue-job.com/

Could you post pics of the brushes you used Gordon?  I'm having problems with my mental picture of the the 5"x1/4".  Good idea on using gun cleaning brushes in a drill.
Gordon's brush is a good one. I bought these "tube brushes" from Harbor Freight. They are sold in an assortment, brass, stainless, and nylon bristle. Cut the loop off the end and chuck them up in a cordless variable speed drill.

You can get in between the fins nicely. Shown here cleaning holes. But the small ones go through the fins and with a little spinning action, takes off the oxidation and increases shine past factory levels. Can be used with the motor in the bike. These are similar to using gun cleaning brushes but more robust and economical.
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2008, 08:51:11 PM »
Very nice.  Those do look like they'd be better than a bore brush.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2010, 09:24:31 PM »
This has been one of my favorite reads on the site. I am considering restoring my 81 cb650c. This is GREAT info, if anyone has any new pics please share. I am going to upload pics of mine soon. FYI an old trick a guy taught me was to make a steel wool Q-tip tool. Thanks again

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2010, 10:05:17 PM »
Darn, I guess when I cleaned up my web directory it messed up the posted pices. I'll go back up and fix my first post.

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2010, 10:29:29 PM »
Thanks for the repost, those pics are great, gives me a lot of hope

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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2010, 05:23:53 PM »
after seeing this I went to wal-mart (shudder) to find the gun cleaning kit. no luck. they looked at me like I said "yes, I'd like to kill someone, can you help me with that".

but I did start to use a fine wire wheel on my lower case for the hell of it. it shined up so fast! kind of a brushed/polished look. I got a couple more sizes/shapes of wire wheels and some lil guys for the dremel. I'm gonna wire polish up my case instead of painting it silver. then just clear it. thanks for the idea Gordon. might even do the cylinders, hmm...


Gordon,

did you clear coat yours? if not how long does it hold up before it needs attention again?

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Re: engine cleaning/polishing
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2010, 09:25:01 PM »
The wire wheels for the dremel are OK but they are kind of fickle go too fast and they shred to pieces in no time go too slow and you'll be polishing for the rest of your life.
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2010, 10:36:46 PM »
FYI: for aluminum, you can get a different formula paint stripper that will not cause immediate oxidation like standard paint stripper does.  The aircraft stuff might be the ticket (since much of our air fleet is aluminum), but you can definitely find aluminum safe strippers in the auto parts store.  Just read the can labels to see which specifically mentions aluminum.

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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2010, 11:21:16 PM »
The wire wheels for the dremel are OK but they are kind of fickle go too fast and they shred to pieces in no time go too slow and you'll be polishing for the rest of your life.

man I hate them. I've gone through tons of them. they are too expensive, but I haven't found anything else that small for little areas. and they work really well until they wear out. but yeah, you have to keep the dremel at under 4 or so. and wear goggles.

at $3 a piece, they add up.

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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2010, 12:26:58 AM »
Yeah, Now if only they could make the wire wheels be as sturdy and easy as the diamond ez lock cutting wheel that would be nice.
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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2010, 04:28:36 AM »
Only the Suzuki GT750 cylinder/head assembly was powdercoated clear. The KZ900 is now going on it's 3rd year and looks like it does in that pic today. I do not like the Dremel only because I found that speed is not a good thing - you want the slow action of a fine wire brush chucked into a handheld cordless drill. If I take the same part to the bench grinder with it's coarse wire wheel and higher speed, I get scratches and a completely unnatural look.

I'm glad this info could be of help.

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2010, 06:54:04 AM »
Looks good.  I did my motor...by hand, with steel wool. :(

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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2010, 08:53:40 AM »




I have a set of these brushes, use for those hard to get at places, if you can see it you can clean and polish it

http://www.machinerycleanery.com/index.htm

I wonder if there is a source for these in the USA?

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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2010, 09:51:04 AM »




I have a set of these brushes, use for those hard to get at places, if you can see it you can clean and polish it

http://www.machinerycleanery.com/index.htm

I wonder if there is a source for these in the USA?
They say orders are on-line only. Seems simple enough.

They look really trick and the bristles are renewable. But still, 90% of what they do can be done with $10 of tube brushes from Harbor Freight.

Some people need that extra 10%... and I can hardly say no to trick tools.
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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2010, 10:35:54 AM »
a polish veel and  polish vax kosts less then you think  30 $ or less..i bayed a 250mm vheel
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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2010, 10:39:30 AM »
big ++++ for that battery drilling,,its ran slov and you have kontroll of it
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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2010, 01:13:35 PM »
Yeah, Now if only they could make the wire wheels be as sturdy and easy as the diamond ez lock cutting wheel that would be nice.

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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2010, 02:58:49 PM »

I cleaned up and polished my handlebar controls this way with lil dremel brushes a long time ago, but it just didn't occur to me to do this to the engine. with larger brushes. the lower case looks pretty slick, so I'm going further. upper case is at a machinist's shop collecting dust...

I've been lookin all over for gun cleaning kits. no luck. but I just found a bunch of stuff on the sears website under 'tube brush'. HF is too far and I just ordered #$%* from them, don't wanna pay shipping again.

me and my gfriend are gonna ride on over to sears right now. got the day off. gonna polish up my cylinders. should be lots of nitpicky detail work. my fave. (not being ironic) I love this type of stuff for some messed up reason.

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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2010, 05:44:14 PM »
Well I just tried it with 3 of the 4 sizes that Menards had to offer, 1st attempt was with a 3" course brass wheel it ended up marring the the surface not happy and its right on top the header in plain sight, then I switched over to the the 5" fine brass wheel and I've been powering away at all the parts I can get to and it looks sweet....I think I'll go get some pics real quick...

Edit here's the photos, got carried away with finishing the wiring harness and testing the electrical system.






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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2010, 10:37:10 PM »
That looks real good, thanks for posting. Are you going to go over it with a fine polish too? I am going to start mine soon