Topic: Greyhound bus tragedy

[winnipeg550guy]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2008/07/31/greyhound-transcanada.html

 Wow! Took place just an hour West of Winnipeg, already the bleeding heart lefties around here are wondering how this happened, where did society fail this man, was he abused as a child, bullied as a kid, surely someone else is to blame, Parents, TV, Movies, Toy guns, Ernie & Bert. It's just sickening reading crap like "He needs help, we need to rehabilitate him"
 
 Oh Canada! indeed

[333]

First, I read the entire first page, and no one said "He needs help, we need to rehabilitate him".  It did look like there were 10+ pages of comments, but I don't have the time to read all that.

But you are baked if you don't think something in society did this.  I don't think it was "TV, Movies, Toy guns, Ernie & Bert", but it has been proven that child abuse, bullying, and lack of parenting(not parents) can do great harm to someones mind.  The word "blame" is an easy word to use, and would be appropriate if it were only one thing that caused this incident.  I don't think rehabilitation is the answer, or even possible.  But the more information that is brought out about why incidents like this happen, the more society might be convinced to change and stop the causes that led to this tragedy.

[fuzzybutt]

good lord, these idiots blaming movies, television and other outside influences. BULL#$%*!

[chrislib]

There is NO personal responsibility left in the world anymore, NO personal accountability....gimmme a friggin break!

[DammitDan]

Are psychopaths generally born that way or made that way?

Think about it...

[Spikeybike]

There is NO personal responsibility left in the world anymore, NO personal accountability....gimmme a friggin break!

a great big  +1

[tramp]

There is NO personal responsibility left in the world anymore, NO personal accountability....gimmme a friggin break!

a great big +2

[ProTeal55]

That dude had to be on some wicked drugs to do what he did to that poor sole.

[ColinMc]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080801.DEATH01/TPStory/National

Another account of the situation...not as lengthy as the first one but it includes some new disturbing details...

[DarkRider]

Ok...i went and puked after i read the article that Colin posted....

[troppo]

What is this world coming to?

[boatsdickson]

Note to self.........Take my pistol on the next greyhound trip..........

[DarkRider]

#$%* takin grey hound...i would rather drive my own damn ride..

[ProTeal55]

Note to self.........Take my pistol on the next greyhound trip..........

Note to self - do whatever you can to NOT have to take a bus anywhere.
I think I would rather walk...

[scondon]

Ok...i went and puked after i read the article that Colin posted....

    Me too. When I read about this I decided not to pass it on. Too damn disturbing

[dusterdude]

damn mounties should have blown his ass away

[magnus72]

i used to go Greyhound. So many freaks on there, that I vowed I'd never travel like that again.

[burmashave]

I agree with lots of the above, but I'd just like to say that in my experience, news article comment threads often bring out the fruitiest of the fruit loops--those for whom inanity is a consuming passion. Reading those threads may pose risk of head explosion for the mentally balanced.

[DammitDan]

You callin' me fruity, mister?

 

[burmashave]

Hey, I said "bring out" and not "all." ;-) Besides, some voices of reason do try to penetrate here and there. It kind of restores your faith in the general readership. On the other hand, would you deny that many of the comments come from folks who are 1/2 volt shy of a load?

[cleveland]

Note to self.........Take my pistol on the next greyhound trip..........

Why wasn't anyone packing?  I took the greyhound a lot when I was a teen and there was more then one occasion I was glad I was.  Too may sick-o's out there. 

What really saddens me is that a whole bus load of people turned their backs and ran.     

[martino1972]

that's what i said too,there most be atleast a few guys on that bus that could attack that guy and break all the bones in his body...
then again,it probably went really fast,and reading that the poor dude got stabbed in the troat and neck,it would have been likely to late to safe him anyway..
now,just watch........the attacker probably gets away with insanity....serves a few years in jail and then is released again..
i always say,if proven guilty...then the murderer has to be put to death the same way he did his victoms..
in this case,slowly stabb the f*cker to death,but slowly...

[martino1972]

the same with rappists.......first thing they should do is castrate them,without freezing.....they should make that standard procedure...

[cleveland]

I used to feel that way too, but DNA has been proving a lot of guys in jail didn't do it.  It would be a shame to know you killed someone that didn't do it.

[martino1972]

I used to feel that way too, but DNA has been proving a lot of guys in jail didn't do it.  It would be a shame to know you killed someone that didn't do it.

yeah,seen a few documentries about poor guys serving 20 years,and then to be proven inocent..
thats sucks big time...good thing there is dna now..
i say,every baby born needs to give dna sample..

but none the less this guy on the bus is proven to be guilty,so lets refraise this,if proven guilty without a doubt....kill same way as victoms

[DarkRider]

The main reason the bus was evacuated the way it was was because the kid was already a goner by the time the screams were heard. The first strikes were at the throat...So instead of risking everyone elses lives it was better to get them off ASAP. The ones that did go back on to try to stop him were attacked for their efforts. If i recall right from the articles i read it was the guy that was sitting in front of them, the driver and a trucker that went back on to attempt to stop him. Besides not everyone is trained as a fighter and it would be a fools mission to attempt to stop something like that unless you are properly trained. The thing i dont get is that the RCMP didnt drop him right there. Nor do i get why the guy was only charged with second degree murder.

[burmashave]

The main reason the bus was evacuated the way it was was because the kid was already a goner by the time the screams were heard. The first strikes were at the throat...So instead of risking everyone elses lives it was better to get them off ASAP. The ones that did go back on to try to stop him were attacked for their efforts. If i recall right from the articles i read it was the guy that was sitting in front of them, the driver and a trucker that went back on to attempt to stop him. Besides not everyone is trained as a fighter and it would be a fools mission to attempt to stop something like that unless you are properly trained. The thing i dont get is that the RCMP didnt drop him right there. Nor do i get why the guy was only charged with second degree murder.

Thank you, Mr. Rider.

[DarkRider]

Hopefully you were not bein sarcastic with that one lol...Sorry for the info overload there..been reading pretty much every article i can find on this.

[acteg]

The amount of damage you can do with a knife in seconds is pretter severe.  If passengers were to come to the aid of the doomed young man, the attacker would have the advantage of being able to fight only one or two guys at once, because the aisle doesn't provide much room.  I hate to say this, but I think I would of run off the bus with the other folks.  I think I would of assessed the situation, realized it was hopeless, and got out of dodge as quickly as possible. 

This story reminds of a question I still haven't found the answer for.

Is there really pure evil in the world?  Or are evil acts the by products of chemical imbalances and poor upbringing/abuse.  Society seems to want you to believe that evil acts are done by insane people who can't help what they are doing.  Could it be that there is no reason behind these acts?  Could it be that there is pure evil in the world? 

[misterpunch]

first degree murder has to be premeditated.  It's doubtful he was aiming at killing that specific kid in that way on that bus.  My guess was that he had a history of violence and should have been [more heavily] medicated.

[burmashave]

Hopefully you were not bein sarcastic with that one lol...Sorry for the info overload there..been reading pretty much every article i can find on this.

No sarcasm at all. My apologies. I was thanking you for bringing a very informed perspective to the thread. I should have said, "Spot On, DarkRider."

[ofreen]

What is this world coming to?

Just as a matter of perspective, this kind of stuff has happened from time to time for as long as you want to go back.  A certain percentage of the population has always been aberrant.  No doubt you have heard of Jack the Ripper.  Many people are not familiar with the details of the crimes attributed to ol' Jack.  You might check it out if you are curious, but they involved mutilation, among other things.  So what is the world coming to?  Looks to me like what its always been.  People have been hacking each other up for a long, long time.  I don't know if that is reassuring to you or not.

[DammitDan]

Just look at what Victorian culture has made us into! 

[troppo]

Just look at what Victorian culture has made us into! 

See terry, even the yanks dont like the victorians.......
It isnt just the new south welshmen and us crow eaters lol

[DammitDan]

    

You bunch of criminals ain't half bad, troppo 

[DarkRider]

Hopefully you were not bein sarcastic with that one lol...Sorry for the info overload there..been reading pretty much every article i can find on this.

Seems theres all sorts of nutballs out there...had a guy completely snap in the ER last night..that was nerve racking...came in on the ambulance unresponsive..he came to..and completely flipped out...

No sarcasm at all. My apologies. I was thanking you for bringing a very informed perspective to the thread. I should have said, "Spot On, DarkRider."