Topic: does walmart or autozone any chains carry oil filters for cb's

[cb650 bobber]

was looking for a chain store to pick up a filter but they didnt have a book listing the correct part numbers for motorcycle oil filters maybe autozone will have it.

[Double A]

Not sure if your 650 has the same filter as my 550K, but I've bought all my oil filters from chain auto part stores.  There's usually a little section for small motors (mowers, snowblowers, etc) that has a handfull of oil filters for older bikes.  My 550K takes a Fram CH6009 filter & they always seem to be in stock, although that has never kept me from buying every single one on the shelf just in case!

[masonryman]

I buy my fitlers and oil at Autozone, if they don't have it they will get it. I hate to say it but you can't beet their customer service.

[cb650]

Wally world used to but checker(kragens,shucks) does.

[chrislib]

Wally`s be me in NY has Fram`s

[BobbyR]

I know there was a thread that had a PN for a common Fram filter at Walmart that fit a CB750.

[chrislib]

Fram # CH6009

[rhinoracer]

Fram # CH6009

I got this one from walmart and it doesn't come with all the gaskets, the one I bougt online from PartsnMore (EMGO brand) came with gasket and 2 orings, the Walmart Fram came with just the gasket.

[schwebel]

Advance Autoparts has a small motorcycle section that has a master list and filters

[jjwaller]

The nice thing about the Fram and Honda is
the 6009 fits the 750, 400F and the DOHC 900.
So the same filter fits all my Hondas.
(Oh Yeah, Probably not the new '82 MB5  (Look it up) I just got for a learner for the wife)
AIR, the ones I got from WallyWorld some time ago, had O-rings and gasket.

[george]

I switched over to this spin on adapter and have been extremly pleased with the results. Great workmanship , about 60.00 , uses any spin on that fits Tacoma P/U's , very prompt shipping .


http://www.randakks.com/Engine%20Parts.htm

[troppo]

Terryinaus does a spin on filter adapter that fits (i think ) a bmw bike filter, good quality item too.

[MoTo-BunnY]

Might want to do some googling on oil filter tests / comparisons. Fram filters are consistently shown to be crap, in comparison to the construction quality of other brand oil filters. Fram uses CARDBOARD end pieces inside, where everyone else uses metal or rubber.

CHECK OUT:
http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/reference.html
http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/opinions.html#avoid
(especially the above - can't believe how into it, this guy got. .  .lol)

FROM THE ABOVE SITE:
Fram Extra Guard
Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer.  Now their standard filter (the radioactive-orange cans) is one of the worst out there.  It features cardboard end caps for the filter element that are glued in place.  The rubber anti-drainback valve seals against the cardboard and frequently leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan.  The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak all the time.  The stamped-metal threaded end is weakly constructed and it has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow.  I had one of these filters fail in my previous car.  The filter element collapsed and bits of filter and glue were circulating through my system.  The oil passage to the head became blocked and the head got so hot from oil starvation that it actually melted the vacuum lines connected to it as well as the wires near it.

Fram Double Guard
Another bad filter idea brought to you by your friends at Fram.  The filter itself is a slightly improved design over the Fram Extra Guard, but still uses the same filter element.  It has a silicone anti-drainback valve, a quality pressure relief valve, and enough inlet holes for good flow.  The big problem is that they are trying to cash in on the Slick 50 craze.  They impregnate the filter element with bits of Teflon like that found in Slick 50.  As with Slick 50, Teflon is a solid and does not belong in an engine.  It cannot get into the parts of the engine that oil can and therefore does nothing.  Also, as the filter gets dirty, it ends up filtering the Teflon right out.  DuPont (the manufacturer of Teflon) does not recommend Teflon for use in internal combustion engines.  Please do not waste your money on this filter.

Fram High Mileage
Yet another bad filter idea brought to you by your friends at Fram!  Gotta love these guys.  It's a Fram Extra Guard with a weird goo cartridge suspended on the clean side of the filter, blocking the outlet.  It's supposed to be some kind of additive package, but if you want a high mileage oil, buy a high mileage oil.  I don't trust these guys...sorry.


SEE ALSO:
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml


Why someone would want to save like $3 or something, buying a cheap oil filter when oil is SO important for their bike, is beyond me. .  ..  You can find the good brand filters at any "real" auto parts store (NAPA, etc.) as opposed to generic chains like Wally world (though they DO have some real good deals on oil, i have to say)

Hastings or WIX are WAY better made -  I have compared them side by side and their quality is OBVIOUS over the cheaper ones. WIX FTW!!! 

WIX 24940 (Wix # for my CB500 -  dunno about the other CBs - and YES they come with both O-rings)

[Kev Nemo]

I know there was a thread that had a PN for a common Fram filter at Walmart that fit a CB750.

+1-beats the hell out of finding stuff for a '62 Chevy 235

[woodardhsd]

Not sure how you guys feel about Purolator filters, but Amazon.com has packs of 2 on sale (more than 50% off), and free shipping if you spend $30.  I picked up 4 for my 400 twin for $14.00.  Much better that paying $8.00 each at my local shop.

[Kev Nemo]

I switched over to this spin on adapter and have been extremly pleased with the results. Great workmanship , about 60.00 , uses any spin on that fits Tacoma P/U's , very prompt shipping .


http://www.randakks.com/Engine%20Parts.htm

So what's the benefit of the spin on vs. stock? You lose out on the cool stock finned cover

[george]

Hey Guy's
For me the benefit of the spin on versus the canister is easier maintenance, less $$, (but I do work in the auto parts field) also I'm an oil change freak, 1k max .I've had several canister bolts round off, (see pics) Probably my fault, too tight. And I think they look cool, I mainly use Wix, sometimes Amsoil chrome ones, I do not use the Orange ones anymore in any of my vehicles after researching filter failures as mentioned . There was a problem with this type filter adapter in the early days due to a circulation issue but Raddaks creation works very well, never a leak .
I really just want the best , most reliable products for my investment and would switch immediatly should any product I use be shown to be detrimental to the longevity of my engine.That's why I'm going back to the stock air box from the pods, they got wet and I don't want to suck water ! Safety over cool wins out!

[MoTo-BunnY]

YIKES. . . that looks like a TOTAL pain in the bum!  (i really, really hate dealing with stripped out bolts ). . .    maybe u should pick up one of these chrome acorn head, oil bolt thingies?  That's a 26mm acorn so if you round THAT, ummm maybe you would be over torquing it, just a bit?  LOL   

[george]

Nice, my problem with those bolts is mental, after having 2 canister leaks I changed my stock 12mm bolt to the new and improved 17mm bolt and all that did was give me a larger surface to over tighten ! Seriously somewhere it is written that the 12mm bolts are recommended to prevent over tightening. There are lots of Ham Fisted Mechanics out there who have never heard of torque values , many, many bolts and screws on this bike were rounded , stripped and way too tight.
Sorry getting off topic--Let's Ride-- the rain appears to have left Houston   
George

[eldar]

Sorry moto but I do not believe those guys. I use a fram in my bike and it works absolutely fine. I have used fram in my cars for years and never had an oil related problem EXCEPT when my oil lines blew out from being old. Hardly filter related.

I DO feel the cartridge filters are better on our bikes than the spin ons are.

Also, there wasa person who only got the gasket, you got screwed somehow. I ALWAYS get the EVERYTHING when I get my fram from walmart.

That knize page, how long ago did they test the fram? Fram is now made my honeywell, no longer allied signal.

I have not seen any better quality in any other filter I have looked at.

I guess use what you want but I refuse to believe some little family project where the person pretends to know what they are talking about.

Now if UL did tests or some University, I would be inclined to believe them. I do not trust consumer reports too much, seen them wrong too many times.

[cb650 bobber]

just bought 4 emgos off ebay for 15.50...including shipping... not a bad deal. Dont remember how much they were from walmart for the frams but I need to change my oil soon so we will see might check out the fram I take off with the emgos.

[MoTo-BunnY]

Sorry moto but I do not believe those guys. I use a fram in my bike and it works absolutely fine. I have used fram in my cars for years and never had an oil related problem EXCEPT when my oil lines blew out from being old. Hardly filter related.

I DO feel the cartridge filters are better on our bikes than the spin ons are.

Also, there wasa person who only got the gasket, you got screwed somehow. I ALWAYS get the EVERYTHING when I get my fram from walmart.

That knize page, how long ago did they test the fram? Fram is now made my honeywell, no longer allied signal.

I have not seen any better quality in any other filter I have looked at.

I guess use what you want but I refuse to believe some little family project where the person pretends to know what they are talking about.

Now if UL did tests or some University, I would be inclined to believe them. I do not trust consumer reports too much, seen them wrong too many times.

To each their own. . . but personally, I set a Fram, a Honda OEM, and the Wix side by side and could see obvious quality differences. The Honda and the Wix had thicker rubber gaskets in the center, around the hole, that were clearly formed - where the Fram gasket was lumpy and off center. The Wix and Honda both seemed a bit heavier, too.

Also, cardboard inside of the Fram oil filter?? That, NO other manufacturers use? (from dood's quality test)  What's up with that?  OH wait. .  ..must be 'Aerospace grade cardboard' or something, right?    

All I know, is since Home-Ec class I learned that there are PLENTY of "gotcha" quality items out there that are made to just make a quick buck, over quality (ESPECIALLY products directed towards women). From what I have heard from some old school peeps in the hot rod world, Fram (like Pabst) USED to be of good quality but now they are just riding on an old brand name cred (similar to many other makers out there) that has long since sold out quality to profits.

Oh, and Wix are made by Dana Corporation - well known for some of the highest quality vehicle axle and suspension components, among many other things. I see the 'Honeywell" name even on cheap made in China fans (I have one). 

I will take someone's home brew testing - as long as they are approaching it rationally (and rather retentively) like that guy - ANY DAY over a bunch of ubiquitous marketing and brand name placements like Fram seems to have.

[eldar]

Why dont you test it for yourself then? If their filters were so bad, then why no class action lawsuits? Sorry but if they were that bad, it would have happened. Why is it only shadetree garage mechanics that post their findings like this? Why hasnt some large lab put anything up. I mean there are non-profit PROFESSIONAL groups that test things like this all the time. 

The last fram filters I got, were NOT made in china. This was just 1 month ago. Honeywell is well known for quality. They have to be, with the number of industries they are in. Look at some of the heating and cooling controls used.  Saying honeywell is crap is like saying honda is crap.
Also, heavier is not always better. Iron is heavier than titanium but it is not as good now is it.

As for the rubber piece, what are you talking about? The gasket base? The same base that gets squashed flat ANYWAYS? Out of over 15 years of using fram, I have never had an issue with their filters. How much of what you say is from what you have HEARD? Reminds me of the synthetic oil debates. Complete crap.

I also have never had a fram filter leak or fail in any way. Sure i have used EVERY style they have but I have used about 10.

Sorry but you want to believe unsubstantiated crap from a non-scientific website and a bunch of racers who rebuild their engines all the time, be my guest. I have had good luck with them and so have others here on this very board.

I will thus continue to use them and I will recommend them. I will add, ONCE AGAIN, that the cartridge filter is better than the spin-on for these bikes.

[MoTo-BunnY]

Why dont you test it for yourself then? (((actually, I am thinking of doing just that - right here on this site, thank you very much))) If their filters were so bad, then why no class action lawsuits? ((((because there are PLENTY of crappy products out there that no one bothers suing or trying to shut down, unless health or safety issues are at stake. After all, its only a few dollars and that Fram filters generally "work" for the most part. What lawyer is going to initiate a class-action lawsuit for each consumer to get back like $4???))) Sorry but if they were that bad, it would have happened. Why is it only shadetree garage mechanics that post their findings like this? ((((because the internet is well known for having consumers test and expose various corporate shenanigans like this. Consumer Reports would be the ONLY outfit I would pretty much trust with test, being that they do not accept advertising, unless some big engineering firm (NOT sponsored by, or part of a mega-corp that made filters) did it))) Why hasnt some large lab put anything up. I mean there are non-profit PROFESSIONAL groups that test things like this all the time.  (((again, they probably will, at some point, or maybe they have and didn't publish the results or they were in some obscure trade mag - also note that in the previous post, I supplied a link to a DIFFERENT site that tested oil filters and though not as harsh as the other guy's opinion of Fram, basically came to the same conclusions)))

The last fram filters I got, were NOT made in china. (((I didn't say the filters are - I said my Honeywell fan is))) This was just 1 month ago. Honeywell is well known for quality.  (((in SOME of their products - I had one of their oil filled radiator space heating that had the "high" setting go out after 3 months)))) They have to be, with the number of industries they are in. Look at some of the heating and cooling controls used.  Saying honeywell is crap is like saying honda is crap.  ((((NO - bad comparison - Honda doesn't outsource rights to its name to produce crappy fans, space heaters, etc etc. Honda sticks to what it knows best, pretty much. They DON'T sell fans or cheap space heaters.))))
Also, heavier is not always better. Iron is heavier than titanium but it is not as good now is it. (((We are talking FILTER paper here with a steel shell - if one filter is lighter from the other, they are clearly shorting on SOMETHING and they sure as heck aren't putting titanium components inside. If its lighter, then its thinner steel and or filter paper - end of story)))

As for the rubber piece, what are you talking about? The gasket base? (((the center O-ring thing that the oil bolt goes through)))) The same base that gets squashed flat ANYWAYS? Out of over 15 years of using fram, I have never had an issue with their filters. How much of what you say is from what you have HEARD?  (((again, I held them up, side by side and the quality difference was obvious. Also, I have been turning a wrench for many, many moons (on other stuff before Honda bikes) and have talked to many old timers and heard much sound wisdom (as well as some BS)))) Reminds me of the synthetic oil debates. Complete crap.  (((NO WAY - this guy took oil filters apart and SHOWED THEIR COMPONENTS INSIDE. There are minimal variables with this - its not some advanced wear/vicosity/lubrication testing at a lab or something, with a zillion potential variables. It just shows you the quality (or the lack thereof) the components inside - that alone, should speak volumes))))

I also have never had a fram filter leak or fail in any way. Sure i have used EVERY style they have but I have used about 10.  (((I am sure they DON'T fail very often, but the point is WHY WOULD YOU USE A FILTER THAT IS SHOWN TO BE MADE OF SUBSTANDARD COMPONENTS TO SAVE LIKE $3-4 JUST BECAUSE IT HAS WORKED, SO FAR (especially on such a critical application - these cycles are NOT water cooled cars which could run a crappy filter and be more apt to get away with it.))))

Sorry but you want to believe unsubstantiated crap from a non-scientific website and a bunch of racers who rebuild their engines all the time, be my guest. I have had good luck with them and so have others here on this very board. (((nope, I gathered their evidence, along with data from other sites, my own personal observations, and that of various mechanics friends - some of which have been in the business for 30 years or more. I think that is a HECK of a better assessment than many make - simply relying of ubiquitous marketing and advertising or word of mouth about a product that USED to be good but hasn't been for many years, now. I am ALL 'Scully' - show me the empirical evidence, show me the data, don't just tell me "oh, I always have run them and they work" You could probably put an old sock in a can, in there and it would "work" to some degree)))

I will thus continue to use them and I will recommend them. I will add, ONCE AGAIN, that the cartridge filter is better than the spin-on for these bikes.  (((I would imagine, it would HAVE to be, given they entirely different picture between a water cooled low rev car engine and high revving air cooled cycle motors. I still wouldn't trust them, though, if they so clearly slight their other products, like that. Bottom line is that you will continue, unfortunately, to recommend an inferior product. I firmly believe that it is human nature to want to root for a team, brand, company, etc. and expect quality service/product from them continually, once you have experienced quality a few times. CORPORATIONS AND BUSINESS/MARKETING PSYCHOLOGY COUNT ON THIS and apply it in advertising, accordingly. I have a degree in Behavioral Science (psych, anthro, sociology) by the way, and these marketing concepts as well of MANY others (such as Group Think) are used and exploited every day in big business. Just the fact alone, that Fram spends so many dollars on advertising and product placement (think Nascar) as well as the ubiquitous nature of their products (found in basically EVERY parts store), should raise some red flags. Wouldn't that money be better spent on NO putting cardboard in their filters or more research on filter design?)))

((((History has shown, time and time again, that products change - recipes change, quality of components are lessened on increases in metal values, etc. etc. etc. Schlitz was a classic example - a US favorite bear for decades, they decided to change their formula some time in the early '70s, to lesser quality ingredients. Cans started going flat, customers griped, so they added some nasty seaweed extract for more foam. The extract turned to chunks, after a few months, and customers fled en masse. Schlitz went under within a few years. THEY WERE ONCE ONE OF THE BIGGEST AND MOST POPULAR BRANDS IN THE COUNTRY but they chose profits over people and quality. Also, think of cars from the US "malaise" era (1975-1979 or so) Think of how crappy many of those cars were - Chevy Vega, Ford Pinto, AMC Pacer, Chevy Chevette. Are you going to say "Oh, Chevrolets are ALWAYS good" when shown a rusted out Vega? I'm sorry, but this happens ALL the time and unfortunately, consumers often just ignore the loss in quality, or the marketing overcomes their doubts, or they have limited choices (like Fram being about the only brand, at WalMart, due to exclusive licensing agreements). Its just one of those things - maybe we are all too busy working to notice or care. Also, we are not all engineers.

Also, I am at a total loss at why you would doubt so much, two different sites that just are "geeking" out and doing their own "what's inside" style tests on oil filters. Are you suggesting they are bought off somehow? They cut down on some other brands, and talk up many more. Who is trying to sway them, here? If someone bought them off, why aren't they tripping over themselves to recommend one of the brands, exclusively? How can you continue to ignore the fact that Fram was one of the ONLY companies to clearly replace components that ALL the other manufactures used rubber and or steel on, with cardboard? IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE TO CARDBOARD INSIDE OF AN OIL FILTER, BESIDES CUTTING COSTS???  Also, why would you continue to support a company that pulls nonsense like this??? Fool me once, shame on me - fool me twice, shame on you. . . . ))))

[Sporkfly]

Found mine at walmart. It's a Fram. Can't remember what number it is right now, though...