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Offline uwjberg

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So I've been lusting after cafe-style bikes for a while now, and I got the opportunity about a month ago to pick up a nice 1975 CB750F. I must say that this forum had alot to do with my choice - I lurked around here quite a bit to see what people were doing, and what bikes were best. Style, power, and part availability made my choice easy. I picked this bike up looking pretty good, but not running. Owner said it ran when he parked it (stop me if you've heard that before). Since it didn't fire, I talked him down $300. I loaded the bike up, and trucked her home. A couple of things had been done - drag bars, headlight, and a fiberglass rear body that the owner had created himself. To finish it off, a crazy/cool Evel Knevel paint scheme. Here's a couple of pics the way I bought it - pretty decent start, I must say.





The plan is simple - not looking to go full restoration or all-out custom. A budget build, just updating some choice parts to make it cool, reliable, and fun, with some cafe-inspired styling. I've done customizing before, but not a full rebuild, and never on anything older than 1995. Should be fun!

First task is to get it running. Off come the carbs, and here is what I find:




Gnarly. So I spend a weekend cleaning them out, soaking them, etc. (My first time doing this). Drained the old gas, cleaned the petcock mesh, changed the oil, fresh battery, etc. Got them cleaned out ok, but like an idiot, trying to remove a particularly stubborn float pin, I break the tower that holds it. No picture of that - too much swearing going on at that point. So I figure what the hell - I JB weld the tower back together, and button them up. The bike fires, but runs like crap. Won't rev past 4k or hold an idle. But it runs, dammit - so I celebrate with a few adult beverages.

Now I try to diagnose what's wrong. I replace the plugs, points and condensers - no difference. Replace the coils and plug wires (Dyna) - no difference. Compression check - all 4 are consistent and in good order. Starting to get frustrated, and now am thinking that the broken part may really be messing something up. I spy a set of rebuilt carbs in the for sale section here, and snag them as a last resort. What do you know - it fires right up, revs past 4k, and sounds great. In my excitement, I take it for a spin around the block - not realizing the tires were near flat. On my first ride on the bike, I kept thinking 'this thing handles like crap - what kind of mistake have I made?'. Get back to the garage, and after some air in the tires, I'm very relieved to find it handles just fine. Aside from a worrisome oil leak between the fins between 1 and 2 cylinders, I feel pretty good about the whole thing.

Here's where the project takes a turn... I look at the bike now that it's running. I think to myself that with just a little more work, I could really take care of all of the small maintenance items - wheel and steering bearings, brake rebuild, cleaning up/painting the motor, and giving everything a good cleaning. Besides, I really need to do some work on that oil leak. I promptly spend an afternoon doing the following:



Ok folks - now we're in deep. I look more closely at the motor, and try to figure out what's wrong. After asking on the tech forums, I'm told it's likely the 'puck' leak, and may not be the head gasket. Sounds good to me.



After reading up a bit on the process, and consulting the Clymer, I go for it:





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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2008, 07:47:09 PM »
After a closer look, I see this:




Sure looks like that's the problem, eh? So I get the pucks replaced, and button her back up. I must say that I was quite worried I would screw something up here, but everything was pretty easy. This Honda seems very simple to work on, something that I require to avoid blowing things up usually. Good times here.

I button it back up and flip the motor on it's back to check the oil screen.




Not too bad, then. I clean it up and install the new gasket. Time to scrub it down. Soak everything in Simple Green and go to town with a wire brush. I will say that I had my doubts about the stuff, but damn does it work well! Got most of the grime off in the first couple passess, and then hit it with a scotchbrite pad once it was dry. Picked up some VHT aluminum paint, and went from this:



To this:




I think it turned out pretty good, myself.

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2008, 07:50:05 PM »
I hope that shifter in the photo is only used as a bottle opener.
looks like you've got a good looking start there
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 07:58:01 PM »
Now my OCD nature kicks in. The motor is out and looking very nice, but the frame is a bit old, the paint is fading, and there is some surface rust. Well, most of the work is already done...



So, my budget build is getting a bit more costly, but I still figure I can keep it under control. Now that the frame is stripped, I go to town on everything:





I take a million pics to make sure I know where everything goes, but I'm sure you get the idea with those. I decide to powdercoat the frame, swingarm, rims, and wheel hubs black. To save a bit of cash, I opted to paint the remaining parts gloss black with appliance enamel I get at home depot at the suggestion of a member here (sorry, I forgot your name). Looks pretty good, goes on thick, and I think it will match the powdercoat nicely.




While I'm inspecting the frame, I stumble onto this:



I'm sure you've already guessed that it's the kickstand mounting tab. Crap. Fortunately, the friend that is hooking me up with a powdercoating outfit in town is a metal worker by trade, so he is hooking me up with a repair before it goes off to get coated this week. Bullet dodged.

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2008, 08:04:37 PM »
Now I take a look at the exhaust. Alot of surface rust, and not looking very pretty.



Being on a tight budget, I decide to keep it for now, and just make it look better. I go to town with my drill and bench grinder.




I painted it flat black with VHT 1200 degree paint (sorry, no pic). The plan is to weld up a short length of pipe, insert a baffle, and wrap it with exhaust wrap for a cool and retro look.

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So at this point, the frame, swingarm and wheels should be done late this week. I'm waiting for new bearings, fork seals, brake pads, etc. in the mail. Hoping to have a rolling chassis in two weeks (still have to order new tires, true and balance tires, etc. In the meantime, I'm wondering whether or not to change the color, and pick up a cafe-style rear body from Carpy. After all, what's just one more step, right?

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2008, 08:10:45 PM »
Thanks, scunny - I'm looking forward to the project. Not following you about the shifter comment?

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 04:45:13 AM »
I say keep that body work. I really like it. It looks like the PO did a nice job on that.

Yeah, "Budget Builds" tend to stretch their budgets on occasions.  ;D ;D

Lookin' great so far. Keep us informed with lots of pics!!  ;)
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 06:22:24 AM »
thanks, KB02. i'm torn on the bodywork. it's well made, and thick, but not the exact shape i'm looking for. i think alot of it has to do with the tail light, which is huge on that body. i may mess around with it a bit before i decide.

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 08:33:30 AM »
 Looks like you just about have it licked.  Nice job.   :)
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2008, 05:45:49 PM »
I say your body work is cool and different!  Before you S-can it because of the taillight take a look at this link:  http://www.taillightking.com  It might be helpful.  I'm doing a '75F as well.  I'm at the apart stage but haven't posted any pics.  I have one of Carpy's seats - the one he says is for the F model.  I like it but the ass end is kinda big and flat.  I haven't mounted it yet.  I'll try and post a pic later.
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2008, 06:28:36 PM »
good to see another '75 project going on at the same time. thanks for that link - maybe a nice LED would replace that huge light and trim it up a bit. i think i'll take the seat off and see what it looks like first.

i'd like to see what the carpy seat looks like - i like the solo/hump look the best, and the F one he makes is a bit square on the rear. i'm curious to see what it looks like mounted on a '75F.

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2008, 09:02:26 PM »
Not following you about the shifter comment?
He is from next door to down under, please find definitions of terms he may use;
Shifter = adjustable wrench
spanner = combination wrench
torch = flashlight
boot = trunk
bonnet = hood
windscreen = windshield
Ute (pronounced Yoot) = El Camino
Now back to the regularly scheduled build thread.

By the way, good start so far. My $0.02 is to keep the body you have, it is cool and different, until I start mass producing them.
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2008, 09:30:49 PM »
Yeah Scunny had me on the bottle opener line too but now I get it ha ha never use an adjustable spanner on a Honda unless you want rounded nuts.
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2008, 09:40:33 PM »
 ;D
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2008, 06:13:31 AM »
ok - that makes alot more sense now! yeah - i try not to use the adjustable wrenches often. i used that one to turn the crank as i was adjusting the valves.

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2008, 09:25:21 AM »
Let me know if you guys need any more translations. First time's free, for you guys I will drop my price.
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2008, 09:35:10 AM »
You could probably change the shape of that tail section by sanding down to the fiberglass and adding more over a wire frame or something to change it up.
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2008, 09:42:20 AM »
that's not a bad idea, bunghole. i had thought about that a bit as well. might be a bit beyond my fabrication abilities, but it would help the budget to work with what i have.

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2008, 10:07:42 AM »
ok - so the powdercoating and welding is taking a bit longer than i thought, so i thought i'd take advantage and get some other stuff done.

a bunch of parts just waiting to be installed - new bearings, stainless bolts, clip ons, brake pads, etc.



thought i'd tackle the forks first. some corrosion on the inner tube, and one of the seals is leaking. might as well rebuild them. i will say that this is way easier than i thought it would be - even with the pain in the ass fork seal removal. i would never have attempted this on one of my modern bikes.



corrosion on fork tube:



after emory paper and buffing:



wish i would have taken a picture of the goop and crud in the fork, and the gunky oil. i'm feeling really good about new oil and seals, having seen the condition inside.

painted the fork lowers:



reassembled and ready to go:



while i was in the garage, painted up the master cylinders and speedo drive (can you tell i'm going with a blackout theme?)




i also replaced the shifter return spring, which i had somehow broken when i removed the cover - don't ask me how. next on the list are the brakes and controls, and having a look at the gauges. hope to have the frame/swingarm and wheels back this coming week, so i can get started with the big stuff and get a rolling chassis going.

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2008, 07:06:23 PM »
well, still no frame. in order to keep my spirits up, i figured i'd tackle painting the tank.

new package - progressive shocks with HD springs:



on to the tank. got it all stripped down and ready for primer:




shot the primer:



i wet sanded the primer down, and put on the first layer of basecoat. i'll let it dry overnight, then wet sand and hit it with another coat tomorrow night.

also thought i'd see what the brake calipers looked like:




not great. i took as much rust and corrosion off as it could,painted them, and reassembled with new pads, and we'll see how they work. they were working ok before i took the bike apart, so i'm hoping they will be fine. planning on rebuilding the calipers and master cylinder over the winter.
 
with the frame being out so long it's been frustrating, but at least i'm getting some of the smaller stuff done. hopefully most of it will be done and wrapped up when i get it back. i also bought one of the rear seats from carpy - the 'rocket four'. should be sweet. i'm going to see what i can do with these side covers, and maybe i'll be in business:




if anyone has suggestions on those, i'm all ears...

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2008, 09:40:45 PM »
great build!  I look forward to seeing you bring it all together... you know. . . if you ever get the frame back!  ::)

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2008, 08:35:11 AM »
hehe. thanks, man. i'm trying to get it back asap. the good news is, in vegas, it's still not riding weather - 100 degrees and above. in 2-3 weeks, it should be getting down to where it's really nice, and i'm hoping to have her running by then. keep your fingers crossed....

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2008, 09:09:49 AM »
This is a great thread, man - nice pictures.  Thanks for posting.
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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2008, 10:34:24 AM »
ok - so i should get the frame, etc. back from powdercoat mon or tues. turns out there had to be a decent amount of welding to repair the kickstand mount and lower frame crossmember/support after everything was blasted. the good news is that everything should be rock-solid now. as soon as i get everything back, i'll have the tires mounted and wheels trued up.

also ended up getting new reproduction side covers instead of trying to repair the others. i wasn't happy with my lame attempt at bodywork and paint, so i stripped it back down and dropped it off at the painter on friday. i've got a carpy front fender and rocket four, the tank, and side covers there. should be done weds/thursday.

it's been busy lately, but things should start coming together really soon....

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Re: 1975 CB750F - Here Goes Nothing...
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2008, 07:22:26 PM »
Awesome project thread!  I just bought a 75 750F from some old guys shed with the same aspirations as you.  Mine came with a severely melted wiring harness and seven years of saw dust.  I can't wait to see yours come together...I guess I need to start a project thread too.  I have to say I am quite jealous because yours was in far nicer condition than mine and I paid $150 more than you.  Good work.  Keep it up.
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