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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #75 on: September 22, 2008, 10:34:30 AM »
anyone know where to get this special clamp that makes lubing the cable a lot easy? or another easy alternative? in my town we have an oreilys, advanced auto parts, auto zone and other stuff.

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #76 on: September 22, 2008, 10:41:57 AM »
J&P carries them, as do a number of other places that sell motorcycle-specific stuff.  Doubt you'll find them at a regular auto parts store.

http://www.jpcycles.com/productgroup.aspx?GID=9FB2721C-EB9E-47FE-8459-DFD1B2C29D81

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2008, 04:05:27 PM »
ok guys im about to lube the clutch cable, how do i remove it from the lifter and the grip easy?

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2008, 06:12:57 PM »
ok so i got the throttle cable removed from the clutch lever and the cable moved back and forth fine, so it has to be the clutch lever, what could be the cause of this?

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #79 on: September 22, 2008, 06:21:29 PM »
If your CLUTCH cable and lever are moving freely together and it takes a lot of pressure to pull the clutch in with the lever, I would day you have some strong clutch springs on the clutch.

If you moved the THROTTLE cable when down in the clutch area of the engine, you are in a world of doo doo, lol.

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #80 on: September 22, 2008, 06:25:23 PM »
i dont mean the actual hand grip lever i mean the arm the clutch cable connects too, the cable and the hand grip lever are fine it has to be that arm on the engine or something in the engine. i didnt open the clutch at all so i dont think i could have move an accelarator cable

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #81 on: September 22, 2008, 06:38:24 PM »
hahaha sorry i didnt even know i said throttle instead of clutch. could it be a low oil issue? so am i getting this right, you say it just hard to press but it isnt necessarily a problem? im still not sure what you are telling me haha

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #82 on: September 22, 2008, 06:42:59 PM »
i would prefer it to be not sooooo tight, how can it be loosened?

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #83 on: September 22, 2008, 06:50:18 PM »
Pulling on the clutch lever can be easy or require additional strength.  Easy meaning stock springs, extra force meaning high performance springs.  These engage/disengage the clutch plates in the clutch basket of the clutch assembly in the engine.  This assembly connects and separates the engine from the transmission.

If the cable and handle bar lever move freely, lube it and put it back together.  You have that other problem to fix, remember?

Personally, i think you jumped to deep too quick into this thing.  The basics look to have been totally ignored.  But, I mentioned it in this thread before.

So, carry on!
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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #84 on: September 22, 2008, 06:52:27 PM »
what do you mean the basics have been ignored? i got the carb cleaned today and just decided to test the clutch cable while it was drying.

that cable moved through the cord pretty easily, i bet its those darn springs. man its so hard i would love it to be easier either by springs or a handle

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« Reply #85 on: September 22, 2008, 06:57:35 PM »
I take it, then, that you were able to get the other two main jets out of the carbs?  If so, good!  If you have access to some compressed air, blast some through the jets to help dry them out.  Look through them to make sure the holes inside aren't clogged with anything.

Have you lubed the cable yet?  A dry cable will move freely when not connected but will bind when under pressure (installed).  If you can't get hold of a cable oiler, remove the cable and hold it vertical while dribbling some lube onto the inner cable and then work the cable in and out. that'll help feed the oil down into the cable.  Repeat until you see lube coming out the other end.  See where that gets you.

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #86 on: September 22, 2008, 06:57:45 PM »
Fuel flow, replacing the gas, checking the tank for crud and blockage, trying the petcock in another position, spark to the plugs...

I would have gone through a plethora of other things before diving into the carbs so soon.  It takes three things - fuel, air, ignition.  One of those is missing, it ain't running (among timing and maybe a few other things...).
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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #87 on: September 22, 2008, 07:09:32 PM »
i did not lube it but i will definitely lube it tomorrow or when i can get to it next. so i should use an oil because i bout that pb penetrating for the carb, can it be use.

i did get the jets out i had to tap them lightly and use a pair of pliers on one but i dont believe i scratched it up badly. i did blow some air through everything i could with a can of compressed air i bought. i even blew through the fuel lines and they seemed clear.

i have plans to check the tank, i drained it of all gas and am going to remove the petcock to clean. i am going to just buy brand new sparks since they dont cast too much and i am taking in my battery to oreilys tomorrow to have it checked
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« Reply #88 on: September 22, 2008, 07:24:26 PM »
let me know if you find that handle, that is something i would be interested in buying. also what is the best lubricant for that cable again?

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #89 on: September 22, 2008, 07:28:47 PM »
PB Blaster is good for loosening stuck fasteners but it's not really a lubricant, not for this application at least.  Don't use WD40 either, that's more of a protectant.  You can get special cable lube at a motorcycle shop or a bicycle shop.  In a pinch a light machine oil should do the job, like 3-in-1 oil.  Regular motor oil is too heavy for this application.

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #90 on: September 22, 2008, 07:32:25 PM »
ok, i dont think we have a special motorcycle shop in town but there are come bicycle shops so i will check those. thanks again for all the help buys, i know i ask a lot but it is all greatly appreciated. any other comments?

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« Reply #91 on: September 22, 2008, 07:38:50 PM »
sure thing will do, i bet i could get it at newer honda dealers in town. any suggestions on the tank, i am going to take off the petcock and clean it, what can i clean out the tank with and not have to coat it again?

i saw mineral spirit? will i have to recoat it after this?
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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #92 on: September 22, 2008, 08:31:15 PM »
so i went to clean my petcock and i didnt find a sock on it? where would it be or could it just not have had one on it?

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« Reply #93 on: September 22, 2008, 08:35:09 PM »
also it looks like someone butchered the inside of the bowl, does this call for a new one?

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #94 on: September 22, 2008, 08:55:23 PM »
Can't help ya there but thanks for the blow up pictures.  I have to fix mine soon.  The link below is a fiche for the petcock and price list.  Close to $60 for the assembly.

http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/honda-motorcycle-cb550-1974-fuel-tank-air-cleaner/o/m9230sch397866
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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #95 on: September 22, 2008, 09:06:15 PM »
What you do not see on the list and what does not have an option to select quantity are not available.  At least through them or the dealer.  Gives me a good idea what to expect and what I am in for.  It does show the whole assembly available though.
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« Reply #96 on: September 22, 2008, 09:08:04 PM »
i found it sorry it was in another location on that picture, sorry for the confusion

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #97 on: September 22, 2008, 09:12:58 PM »
No worries Andy
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« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2008, 09:15:09 PM »
thats it for tonight, i will prolly update tomorrow on progress and any question. the petcock by the way is nasty and rusty so that might be a possible problem too

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Re: guys please help, bought first cb 550 four
« Reply #99 on: September 23, 2008, 01:45:16 AM »
That's the earlier style petcock without the sock type filter, so you're ok.  It's hard to tell from just pictures what they did to the bowl.  You shouldn't need a new one as long as it's holding gas.  You'll most likely want new rubber parts for it though.  Order them, but you can probably put it back together without leaks for now.  When you put gas back in, start with just a little and make sure it's not going to leak.

That screen comes out and you should be able to see through all the holes and clean it.  You should be able to understand that when the petcock is in the ON position that fuel is delivered through that tall pipe.  Inspect it for cracks while you have it out.  If it is cracked, you will be able to go longer in the ON position and you'll have less reserve miles once you switch.  If you do find it's cracked, you can solder it. 

And you should be able to understand now how the reserve setting works.

I didn't read every detail of today's posts, but the clutch lever should be an easy pull when everything is right.  No need for a different lever.  You might want to lube the actual bolt that holds the lever on if it has rust and crud in there.  You should be able to do it with one finger.

As far as cleaning your tank, old gas turns into what I've always called varnish and has a particular smell(think of the old cars you've been around), if it smells like gas has turned to varnish in the tank, I'd put some Seafoam(from Autozone, Advanced, O'Reiley's etc.) in it with some fresh gas and let it sit for a few days, then drain it and rinse with some more fresh gas.  I just dumped some Seafoam into my tank, then a week later had to re-clean the petcock and carbs because the varnish all let go and deposited itself into them.

The danger with removing the jets isn't scratching the outside so much as crushing the hole inside and changing it from a round hole into an oval.

I too think you're going in kind of deep pretty quick.  I'd concentrate on getting it running well, then move onto other systems.  As long as you can handle keeping it straight, ok, but before you know it, you could have just a pile of parts in the garage.



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