Author Topic: what is this V8 motor ? (Read 4360 times)

scunny · « **on:** November 29, 2008, 01:56:02 PM »

hand built chopper I saw yesterday.
heads and barrels suggest air cooled ,
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mlinder · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2008, 02:09:48 PM »

No idea what it is, but isn't that a radiator..?

scunny · « **Reply #2 on:** November 29, 2008, 02:16:41 PM »

yep that's a radiator but from how it was plumbed I think it is an oil cooler for the transmission, auto

EDIT looking again those barrels could be water cooled

333 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2008, 04:30:50 PM »

Oil would be through thinner lines. Besides, the radiator would block air from getting to the heads.

cb650 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2008, 04:47:14 PM »

The bottom pic from appearances the radiator is plumbed to the intake manifold. Most V-8's are like that. Didnt Buick make a small aluminum v-8 for the opel many years ago?

Artfrombama · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2008, 04:48:55 PM »

289/302 Ford

cb650 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2008, 05:06:46 PM »

Does that bolt pattern for the tranny look like a small block ford? The fins on the end of the head are bolted on so that dont matter.

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2008, 06:59:54 PM »

Quote from: cb650 on November 29, 2008, 04:47:14 PM

The bottom pic from appearances the radiator is plumbed to the intake manifold. Most V-8's are like that. Didnt Buick make a small aluminum v-8 for the opel many years ago?

Perhaps the 215CI aluminum V8 that Buick used in the early 60's? Some were even supercharged or turbo'd. Sold the engine to Land Rover and they may still be using a version of it.

tramp · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2008, 03:26:15 AM »

older bike, look at the rear wheel, got white walls

Aaron J Williams · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2008, 04:57:02 AM »

Quote from: Artfrombama on November 29, 2008, 04:48:55 PM

289/302 Ford

Yep, you are right. The distributor in front, shape of the valve covers and thermostat housing location are small block Ford. Very cool bike!

Rocking-M · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2008, 06:06:04 AM »

buicks and pontiac engines from the 60's had the dizzy in the front.
And I still have the scar on my middle finger to prove it.
I was 16 and setting the points on my mom's 67 buick special, the little window for
setting the points was right between the alternator belt, the belt grabbed my
finger and ran it round the alternator pulley. I had to walk to the doctors
office for stitches.

I'm going with the Buick 215 AL engine as stated above, though I've never
actually seen one.

mark · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2008, 07:56:56 AM »

Quote from: Aaron J Williams on November 30, 2008, 04:57:02 AM

Quote from: Artfrombama on November 29, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
289/302 Ford
Yep, you are right. The distributor in front, shape of the valve covers and thermostat housing location are small block Ford. Very cool bike!

........ if it was built 'back in the day' add 221 and 260 to the 'possible' list. The skinny intake manifold with vertical mounting bolts is another Ford clue.

It is not a 215 - that being a Buick engine would have the distributor protruding from the timing chain cover. The 215 also has an almost perfectly round bellhousing without that 'hump' where the top two bolts are. The bike wouldn't need a kickstand - just lean it over on the Buick's oil pump.

btw... one of the locals has an Olds F-85 Jetfire with the turbo 215 - interesting looking package.

fuzzybutt · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2008, 08:13:39 AM »

sure is a small block ford. i have a set of those valvecovers somewhere in my garage. bet it's a monster to ride with all that weight. looks cool though.

Spikeybike · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2008, 08:31:53 AM »

my old Lincoln with a 302

Rocking-M · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2008, 12:06:46 PM »

lookee here,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_V8_engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sunbeam_Tiger_Rover_V8_engine.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1960-1961-1962-BUICK-SPECIAL-215-V8-ENGINE-SHORT-BLOCK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem380086307355QQitemZ380086307355QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

fuzzybutt · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2008, 12:57:01 PM »

wow that really does look similar to a sbf

scunny · « **Reply #16 on:** December 01, 2008, 01:19:49 PM »

looks like the one. I'm presuming he blanked off the bell housing and has his power take-off from the front crankshaft pulley ?

Rocking-M · « **Reply #17 on:** December 01, 2008, 02:06:26 PM »

hey fuzz, I think I read somewhere that ford even used it or used the tooling or something like that.

mark · « **Reply #18 on:** December 01, 2008, 02:31:37 PM »

wikipedia reality check........

the pic of a Tiger has been erroneously placed with the Buick/Rover V8 .

the Sunbeam Tiger used Ford power - the 260 in early models and the 289 through end of production.

the Tiger died when Chrysler acquired Hillman/Sunbeam(remember the Plymouth Cricket?).... they didn't want to buy Ford engines and the 273/318 wouldn't fit in a Sunbeam Alpine no matter how hard they tried.

heffay · « **Reply #19 on:** December 01, 2008, 02:32:59 PM »

Quote from: mark on December 01, 2008, 02:31:37 PM

wikipedia reality check........

the pic of a Tiger has been erroneously placed with the Buick/Rover V8 .

the Sunbeam Tiger used Ford power - the 260 in early models and the 289 through end of production.

the Tiger died when Chrysler acquired Hillman/Sunbeam(remember the Plymouth Cricket?).... they didn't want to buy Ford engines and the 273/318 wouldn't fit in a Sunbeam Alpine no matter how hard they tried.

so, did you make a correction to wiki like you were supposed to or just come here to toot that horn?

edbikerii · « **Reply #20 on:** December 01, 2008, 02:37:50 PM »

:[youtube=425,350]YEkiYJ9GH2U[/youtube]

Rocking-M · « **Reply #21 on:** December 01, 2008, 02:39:40 PM »

and did you read the article??

The Rover V8 began life as the Buick 215, an all-aluminium engine introduced for the 1961 model year. The compact engine was lightweight, at just 144 kg (318 lb), and capable of high power outputs: the most powerful Buick version of this engine rated 200 hp (149 kW), and the very similar Oldsmobile "Jetfire" turbocharged version made 215 hp (160 kW) (both numbers SAE gross). Based on sales volume and press reports, the engine was a success. Buick produced 376,799 cars with this engine in just three years. A comparable number of Oldsmobile 215 engines were produced. The aluminium engine was relatively expensive to produce, however, and it suffered problems with oil and coolant sealing, as well as with radiator clogging from use of antifreeze incompatible with aluminium. As a result, GM ceased production of the all-aluminium engine after 1963, although Buick retained a similar iron engine[1964-1980], as well as a V6 derivative[1962-2008] prove to have a very long and successful life.

mark · « **Reply #22 on:** December 01, 2008, 02:48:04 PM »

Quote from: heffay on December 01, 2008, 02:32:59 PM

Quote from: mark on December 01, 2008, 02:31:37 PM
wikipedia reality check........

the pic of a Tiger has been erroneously placed with the Buick/Rover V8 .

the Sunbeam Tiger used Ford power - the 260 in early models and the 289 through end of production.

the Tiger died when Chrysler acquired Hillman/Sunbeam(remember the Plymouth Cricket?).... they didn't want to buy Ford engines and the 273/318 wouldn't fit in a Sunbeam Alpine no matter how hard they tried.

so, did you make a correction to wiki like you were supposed to or just come here to toot that horn?

that makes two things I learned today.... the other was something about electric outlets and wire and such. no, I'm a slacker.
I didn't have a pic to replace the bad one with anyway.

"........As the aluminium block made this engine one of the lightest stock V8s built, it was an obvious choice for use in racing. Mickey Thompson entered a car powered by this engine in the 1962 Indianapolis 500. From 1946 to 1962 there hadn't been a single stock-block car entered in this famous race. In 1962 the Buick 215 was the only non-Offenhauser powered entry in the field of 33 cars. Rookie driver Dan Gurney qualified eighth and raced well for 92 laps before retiring with transmission problems..."

heffay · « **Reply #23 on:** December 01, 2008, 03:02:26 PM »

ed... that bike does not sound healthy at all... hitting on maybe half of its cylinders it sounds like.

really not trying to poke holes in your post this time.

i would never poke holes in Honda... only, well, you know.

Rocking-M · « **Reply #24 on:** December 01, 2008, 03:11:45 PM »

hey Mark, this was the part I liked....

The Australian firm Repco converted this engine for Formula One by reducing it to 3 L (≈183 cu in) and fitting a single overhead camshaft per bank rather than the shared pushrod arrangement. Repco-powered Brabhams won the F1 championship twice, in 1966 and 1967.[3] For the 1968 season, the Repco engine was fitted with new four-valve, dual overhead camshaft heads. This made the engine roughly as powerful as the Cosworth DFV, but proved to be too much for the stock block, which broke on many occasions. Repco also experimented with 4.2 L (≈256 cu in) derivatives of the Rover V8, to some success despite problems with massive vibration.[4]

The Rover version of this engine was extensively developed and used for rally racing, especially in Triumph TR8 sports cars.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #25 on:** December 01, 2008, 03:38:26 PM »

Scroll down this page to the picture of Syko, my mates V8 Rover engined bike.

http://www.vsprint.net/news.htm

Sam.

edbikerii · « **Reply #26 on:** December 01, 2008, 08:01:18 PM »

Um yeah. 120HP at 10,000 RPM. Methinks it is pretty healthy

Quote from: heffay on December 01, 2008, 03:02:26 PM

ed... that bike does not sound healthy at all... hitting on maybe half of its cylinders it sounds like.

really not trying to poke holes in your post this time. i would never poke holes in Honda... only, well, you know.

Artfrombama · « **Reply #27 on:** December 01, 2008, 08:17:00 PM »

Quote from: heffay on December 01, 2008, 03:02:26 PM

ed... that bike does not sound healthy at all... hitting on maybe half of its cylinders it sounds like.

really not trying to poke holes in your post this time. i would never poke holes in Honda... only, well, you know.

I especially like the vise-grips holding something on the front of the motor. We call that b/y (backyard) engineering

.
Gotta hand it to the guy, nice work. Love to see the finished bike.

edbikerii · « **Reply #28 on:** December 01, 2008, 08:52:14 PM »

Quote from: Artfrombama on December 01, 2008, 08:17:00 PM

Quote from: heffay on December 01, 2008, 03:02:26 PM
ed... that bike does not sound healthy at all... hitting on maybe half of its cylinders it sounds like.

really not trying to poke holes in your post this time. i would never poke holes in Honda... only, well, you know.

I especially like the vise-grips holding something on the front of the motor. We call that b/y (backyard) engineering .
Gotta hand it to the guy, nice work. Love to see the finished bike.

Ask, and ye shall receive:

Artfrombama · « **Reply #29 on:** December 01, 2008, 09:04:32 PM »

I dig it;
Personally I would have to throw on a set of;

Ecosse · « **Reply #30 on:** December 01, 2008, 09:48:49 PM »

Great find scunny and ed both! Ed, I love this Honda but hadn't seen anything since seeing the video post. Those pix are great.

I'm late to this and I think everyone has figured it out anyway. I'm embarrassed by these engine brain teasers and point out how rusty my car knowledge is. But, Ford was my guess too.

I'm glad the Brits did so much with the Buick design. I hope GM was ashamed.

Demon67 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 02, 2008, 06:22:05 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that Buick engine used in some home built projects (A/C that is) because of the weight?
Bill the demon.

Findlater · « **Reply #32 on:** December 02, 2008, 06:57:28 AM »

Where did you see this bike? do you have a full shot of it? I could have sworn I saw that beast rolling around the drag in Niagra Falls last summer. I think its the same colour as the one Ive seen aswell. I would say this is a common bike build- probably get some plans somewhere to make one.

Ecosse · « **Reply #33 on:** December 02, 2008, 09:06:22 AM »

Quote from: Demon67 on December 02, 2008, 06:22:05 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that Buick engine used in some home built projects (A/C that is) because of the weight?
Bill the demon.

The Rover (nee Buick) was used in everything by the Brits. Cobra replica, Westfield SEiGHT, a couple of MG's. I liked the Rover SD-1. Maybe bad build quality but a cool car none the less.

edbikerii · « **Reply #34 on:** December 02, 2008, 11:23:19 AM »

Triumph TR-8

Quote from: Ecosse on December 02, 2008, 09:06:22 AM

Quote from: Demon67 on December 02, 2008, 06:22:05 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that Buick engine used in some home built projects (A/C that is) because of the weight?
Bill the demon.

The Rover (nee Buick) was used in everything by the Brits. Cobra replica, Westfield SEiGHT, a couple of MG's. I liked the Rover SD-1. Maybe bad build quality but a cool car none the less.

cb650 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 02, 2008, 03:58:10 PM »

There was (is) someone that built old school bikes with a flathead ford. Looked way cool.

mark · « **Reply #36 on:** December 02, 2008, 09:05:00 PM »

........ here's one from 50+ years back....

scunny · « **Reply #37 on:** December 02, 2008, 10:35:06 PM »

it's getting harder to be original

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