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If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« on: December 13, 2008, 02:54:20 PM »
I installed Safari a couple of weeks back to deal with a security issue here at the forum that I couldn't get by with IE.

I've been using Safari almost exclusively, but for about a week now it has developed a quirk. If I hit the 'back' button, I can see the URL address change in the address space at the top of the page, but the data on the page remains static to the page I am on... unless, I pass the mouse over portions of the displayed page. If I do that, artifacts from the underlying page I've gone 'back' to appear here an there. I've searched around quite a bit within the setup, but can find nothing that relates to this. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Using Win XP, it and all other software, including virus detection is always up to date.
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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2008, 03:08:19 PM »
I'd uninstall and re-install.  That kind of behavior isn't a settings thing.

I've been using Google Chrome a lot lately.   Fast, very streamlined interface (which is what I like most) and works well with the forums.  Firefox has lots of fans and that works well here too.



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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2008, 03:44:57 PM »
i'll try the reinstall. Read that Google had released Chrome from testing, might take a look at that.
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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2008, 11:44:05 PM »
I have been using firefox 3.1. It is beta but works great. I have yet to have a crash or lock up on it and it is very fast. When it comes to browsers for windows, firefox and opera are the best choices. IE is of course trouble and safari is not very stable. Chrome has questionable "features" such as sending browsing info back to google. It also can have problems playing videos and displaying things that require plug-ins.

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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2008, 12:04:16 AM »
Hmmm,

Just installed Safari on a Fresh copy of XP SP3. No problems like you describe.  BTW, does it happen when you start it up or only after you've been browsing awhile? If it does what are the results of clearing the cache?

If all that comes back positive (no change) I think I'd remove/reinstall and see if it persists. I've never really seen that problem before. I have seen blank pages that when moused over revealed the page but restarting the program fixed that and it was a looooooooong time ago.

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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2008, 02:19:40 AM »
The reinstall worked and got rid of the problem. I should have tried that first thing, but in the past, some reinstalls didn't go so well.  :-\ This one did, however.
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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 02:57:57 PM »
Boy, what a scare...  when I read the subject, I was afraid you'd gone over to the dark side and bought a Mac, Bob.
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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 03:01:44 PM »
Nah, nothing against Macs they sound pretty nice, but worked in a Windows environment at the office and my wife is still Windows dependent because of her work also, so I think we are stuck with it a while.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 03:07:55 PM »
Just gotta chuck this out there whenever I hear the legacy Windows argument. You know you can run windows on a Mac either using Bootcamp or Parallels?  ;) I use Parallels myself.

I'm going to end up the lone Mac fanboy on these forums I can tell  ;D

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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 03:15:51 PM »
Just gotta chuck this out there whenever I hear the legacy Windows argument. You know you can run windows on a Mac either using Bootcamp or Parallels?  ;) I use Parallels myself.

I'm going to end up the lone Mac fanboy on these forums I can tell  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 03:28:59 PM »
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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2008, 03:47:03 PM »
I do not see the big deal about a mac. I use one at work and there is nothing special about it. Sure osx is ok and supposedly does not crash(I beg to differ...greatly)but the only reason it is stable is cause the the crushing grip of hardware control apple has. ANything you can do on mac can be done of windows or linux. Schrek 3 was done with linux. My linux machine at home is almost 6 years old and is still more stable than my office machine. Apple has been dropping some big goose eggs lately though. Mobileme was a screw and they are constantly having issues with itunes.
A computer is a tool, they are all the same and do the same thing. BTW, I can make linux look exactly like mac, even the dock but that is illegal.
I plug for linux as it is free and has AWESOME driver support. Even my lousy vid card is somewhat supported and there have been no new drivers since 2005. I have put linux on 8 year old laptops and had it work fine too. It also needs no virus protection, same as osx. So I can build a killer machine for 700 clams that will blow the doors of a mac twice its cost. Tech support? The ubuntu forums are every bit as good as this forum so I have no worries there, you can even get professional tech support. Updates come out regularly. Best of all, you can try ubuntu without even installing it. It runs from cd so it is slower and a bit limited in function but gives a good idea.

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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2008, 03:54:57 PM »
We all have our likes and dislikes, as well as preferences.  I don't want to turn this thread into a jizm match.

Mine shoots further than yours or my load has more grain than yours or if you look close enough you might see the tracer, yada yada. 

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2008, 04:03:55 PM »
Its not about that. It is about people just seeing that they are all computers and all do the same thing and can even all look the same. I have used windows from 3.1 to vista. I have used mac 7.6 - 10.5 and ubuntu 6.1 - 8.1. Anything you can do on one, you can do on the other just as well AND with the same feel and look. I happen to dislike apple for their business practices and penchant for suing anyone who tries to use anything remotely apple looking in their logo, and their exorbitant pricing for their computers. Their hardware is nothing special, you can buy it ANYWHERE. So why pay double?

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2008, 04:53:32 PM »
Well, not quite. Mac OS has strengths. FreeBSD has strengths. Linux has strengths. It really depends on what you want to do with your computer. My point is you choose the hardware and OS that makes sense for your task. At this point you can run Windows ON OS X but not the other way around. There are some niceties about php and apache as well but that's a pretty specialized market.

And I really didn't want to start up a Windows/Mac flame. Just wanted to point out that if a Mac was in consideration bagging it because you have a windows app you have to be able to run wasn't a good reason to pass it up anymore.

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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2008, 05:07:40 PM »
Oh my God, what have I started?  :o ;D
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2008, 05:19:12 PM »
Just gotta chuck this out there whenever I hear the legacy Windows argument. You know you can run windows on a Mac either using Bootcamp or Parallels?  ;) I use Parallels myself.

I'm going to end up the lone Mac fanboy on these forums I can tell  ;D

No sir.  I've been a Mac aficionado since 1984.  And, have been using a GUI windowing environment and mouse since 1979 or 80 with the Xerox Alto, and then the Xerox Star. (Both highly popular with the Pentagon and large corporations at the time.)

I've also used Microsoft crap since the home brew days on the Altair, then the PC world when I wanted to work on hardware.  That is what it is best or; working on it instead of it working with you.  You can make the PC work for you, but you better know the correct dance steps.

I had both a PC and and Mac at work.  The PC had to be rebooted daily if not hourly, and you better save your work in progress every ten minutes and back up to an alternate drive every hour.  I did all my work reports on the MAC because of this, (And just ran an HD back up at the end of the day).  When you are facing a report deadline, the last thing you need is to have to fix some registry corruption or why it suddenly won't link to the printer like it did yesterday.
The Mac, I just left running and never even rebooted it for a year...  Then we had a power failure during the night.  It rebooted by itself and was ready for duty when I came into work that morning, I just had to reopen the applications.  It simply did what was asked of it every day.

The PC was just a time sync for cajoling it into doing something useful. 

Our company had about a 50% mix of PC and MAC for the general populace at one time.  The IT staff required 10 people to keep the PCs running, and 1 or 2 to deal with MAC issues.  Because, the engineering tools were in UNIX, we also had Sun workstations on our desks, about 5 people to support those.  And, there were FAR less of those than either the PC or MAC community.

In the lab, we had 50-100 PCs for use as test mules for the hardware we developed for it.  Repairing them and reinstalling software was simply an accepted time sync, adding to the development costs of the project.

PCs are cheap to buy, expensive to maintain, particularly if your time is at all valuable.  MACs are more expensive to buy and cheap to maintain.

I now have an IMAC and MAC mini as well as older MACs from 1995-ish which I was still using up until last year.  The PCs I have, have been sitting in the shed for about ten years., long since devoid of any usefulness.
I do use boot camp to run Windows XP when I want to play certain games or use the RC simulator that is only offered for the PC platform.  But, mostly I'm using the Mac environment, just for ease of use, and I can rely on it when needed.
It wasn't until Windows 95 that the user interface became useful and almost equivalent to the 1984 MAC environment.  And, both were re-engineered (or copied) from the Xerox windowing GUI developed by Xerox in the late 70s and early 80's.  Essentially, the early days of the PC set the user community back about ten years in customer ease of use.

Another nice thing about Mac over PC is that virus software isn't absolutely essential for the MAC (add that to the initial cost of a PC).  There just are more people trying to get into your Windows than there are for MACs.  However, Microsoft sure left plenty of holes in their system for hackers to exploit.

I'm sure an IT guy seeking employment would prefer PCs over a MAC, as there is far more opportunity for being paid to support PCs over the more reliable MACs.

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Re: If there are any Safari users, looking for some help
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2008, 05:20:18 PM »
Even better...

FreeBSD kicks any Linux dists butt!  ;) ;D

And what TwoTired said. I thought I had some cred but I've only been on a Mac since 86  :D

To be fair, I've proselytized and pointed things out since then and I don't think I've ever wooed a PC user over. Even my own Grandfather bought a Dell with Vista over my recommendation (woe to him). The price point and mind share is very hard to overcome. Mostly the price point even though I usually get 7-8 years of useful life out of Mac and what seems like 3-4 out of commodity PC hardware. They still make great DNS servers though (but that's all).
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2008, 05:57:17 PM »
Funny thing is there is JUST AS MUCH demand for Mac it people. Why? Macs such in a mixed network enviroment. If you have to make a mac talk to a pc, it throws fits left and right. Clearly tt was talking about the 80s as I never experienced ANY of that trouble starting on 3.1. I suppose if you do not know how to use the tool though, it will not work. If you know what you are doing, you make make an old pc run almost as good as a new one. My 6 year old pc is faster than many new pcs are, with windows xp. Why? I used good components. I have not had a lock up or crash on my xp machine for about a year now. My mac on the other hand crashes when trying to update parallels. The lcd screen also has to be replaced. This a less than 2 year old 20inch Imac. Funny thing is when it crashes, parallels is NOT running and I have no open programs.
Also on our campus, when 10.5 came out, it cause SERIOUS issues. Of course if a person went to the mac forums, they would know this.

So lets recap here. windows 3.1, never failed. Many old school it workers still like 3.1 for this. 95 was good. 98 was awesome. ME was not as bad as a lot of people like to say. I never had an issue with it. 2000, rock solid but painfully slow.
Forgot NT, some places STILL use it. It is 14 years old. I do not know of ANY mac still in use in a server enviroment of that vintage except personal. XP, excellent system, still completely useful today. Vista, A very good system but get loaded down with crap from the pc vendors. I have at this very moment, vista running on a laptop that is a single core 1.8 Ghz, 1.5 G ram, and 40 gb hd. It works flawlessly. I have not had ONE lockup. My toshiba has been the same way. You just have to shutdown the crap dell and the others put on it.

Mac, 7.5 was very limited on dial up capabilities. I remember many times having to install 3rd party dialers. I also hate the plethora of modems especially from Global Village. The whole 7 series stunk. 8 was a good series but still limited in dial up and ethernet. Parts were terrible and they changed week to week. Dont believe me? Find an old mac and try to use just any disk on it, even a disk from the same model. hardware changed all the time. OS9 should have never been. Even the mac master we have hates os9 and has nothing to say good. Pretty sure he spanks probably 90% mac users out there. os 10 is where apple got their act together. They finally put out a good system and people bought it. I still feel their price is too high but they have the monopoly on their proprietary computers. 10.4 was their best. 10.5 has caused many headaches in it. They are on 10.5.5 and it has only been a year.  Snow leopard is due soon, it will futher kick in mac owner teeth as they drop all support for power pc. Funny thing is people expect microsoft to support their 10 year old printer yet.

Apple has had their share of bonehead moves and crappy devices. Of course the focus will be on MS though as it affects more people, but I am sure that will change as apple grows. AS will the number of viruses made to exploit apple.

Bottom line is that no matter what you use, you need to know how to use it. I do not care what you use but do not delude yourself. They are all the same.

Iggy, I have 6 years on my pc, it would be good for probably another 4 except for games. Mac falls under that just as much though. My 4 year old macbook will not play WOW worth anything yet my 3 year old hp will just fine. Of course not at full res though.

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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2008, 05:59:02 PM »
Just wanted to point out that if a Mac was in consideration bagging it because you have a windows app you have to be able to run wasn't a good reason to pass it up anymore.

Completely true. Linux can run both. of course if you go to osx86, you will see that osx will run on a pc ;)

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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2008, 07:14:13 PM »
Halo was originally written for MAC by Bungie before MS took em over.

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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2008, 11:12:58 PM »
Frog Blast the Vent Core!


Bungie did do a nice thing before succumbing to the truckload of cash and release the Marathon source
http://source.bungie.org/get/
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2008, 12:21:37 PM »
Safari on an older Mac.

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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2008, 01:39:28 PM »
up until xp i wasnt a pc fan,been using xp for a couple of years now and have no issues with it,my heart is still with mac but havent seen one i can afford.
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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2008, 04:17:06 PM »
Pretty much wedded to PC and Bill Gates for a variety of reasons, but I have to agree, XP has been fine for us, no issues... save for the endless updates to plug holes. ;)
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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2008, 10:25:58 PM »
Dont be fooled bob, macs have just as many updates. 10.5 has been out a little over a year and they are already at 10.5.6. That is basically like 6 service packs in a little over a year. At the end of 2000 support, it had 6 service packs. Macs also have updates on a regular basis too. ALL systems have regular updates. If anyone says they do not, they are blowing oil smoke with unburnt gas! :D