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Re: The most important vehicle in 100yrs!
« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2009, 06:29:25 PM »
the first hydrogen filling station in south carolina opened today here in columbia.  http://www.thestate.com/local/story/732957.html

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Re: The most important vehicle in 100yrs!
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2009, 10:00:19 PM »
the first hydrogen filling station in south carolina opened today here in columbia.  http://www.thestate.com/local/story/732957.html

That's encouraging Fuzzy, I hope that we start seeing more vehicle options that run Hydrogen. I would think that with the political climate here in Oregon that we could see a station soon as well.

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« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2009, 10:03:17 PM »
We have a "political climate" in Oregon?  Since when!?!  I just thought it was a bunch of liberal Hippies spreading Peace and love...

but I think going Hydrogen is cool even if you are dead set against it PJ!  :D

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« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2009, 06:46:19 AM »
yeah, or kool-aid cults that put salmonella in your salad.
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« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2009, 07:10:07 AM »
i'm gonna stay out of this thread for the most part but those of you non-recycling, dont-'t-give-a-crap naysayers should just croak already so those of us that do have interest in saving the world... can.   ;D :P ;D  4 pages and its already as bad as a political thread!?!

the point of hybrid anything and the best way to reduce our use is exactly what a hybrid does... it uses multiple fuel sources to reduce the use on all fuels.

we need to come up w/ the BEST way to use EVERY fuel we have WITHOUT consuming ALL of it. 

p.s.  several of you need an environmental/physics class  :P  but, i'll leave the de-brainwashing up to the professors.

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Re: The most important vehicle in 100yrs!
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2009, 08:08:21 AM »
Personally I think this is the most important vehicle
 

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« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2009, 09:10:48 AM »
It is shameful the way pointing out the technical, fiscal, and safety issues with ANY alternative energy source gets you labeled as a "don't-give-a-crap naysayer" by hoards of ignorant, stubborn, radical loons.  I'm all for alternative energy sources, but should I bury my head in the sand and simply ignore the costs/dangers/obstacles involved in this one alternative (out of many)?

Logic and common-sense should be dictating the energy sources that we use, not some BS political (but actually more emotional) platform supported by brainwashed #$%*-stirrers who don't comprehend the true depth of the issue.

Sorry guys, but as others have pointed out here, in other threads, and all over the Internet, there is much more to the use of hydrogen as automobile fuel than the fact that it burns clean.

i'm gonna stay out of this thread for the most part but those of you non-recycling, dont-'t-give-a-crap naysayers should just croak already so those of us that do have interest in saving the world... can.   ;D :P ;D  4 pages and its already as bad as a political thread!?!

the point of hybrid anything and the best way to reduce our use is exactly what a hybrid does... it uses multiple fuel sources to reduce the use on all fuels.

we need to come up w/ the BEST way to use EVERY fuel we have WITHOUT consuming ALL of it. 

p.s.  several of you need an environmental/physics class  :P  but, i'll leave the de-brainwashing up to the professors.


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Re: The most important vehicle in 100yrs!
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2009, 12:50:18 PM »
Smart car!
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« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2009, 03:27:02 PM »
Let's rein in the personal attacks, shall we?

I surley hope this wasn't directed at me alone for simply tryin' to share the information that I know only to get blasted by a person that didn't even research all the info before typing.
I am not giving a personal attack, only defending information that is and has been clearly docemunted for 30 yrs only to be hidden by politics.....

Global society.

Dook, smartcar with 500hp turbo'ed busa engine. I had to mention it since the first time I was burned alive for it in another thread for not knowing what I am talking about....

What was done to me in the last pages was not right at all for just sharing information.
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« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2009, 03:31:17 PM »
It was directed at no one in particular.
We'll all be someone else's PO some day.

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« Reply #60 on: April 02, 2009, 03:33:57 PM »
Thank you sir.
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« Reply #61 on: April 02, 2009, 03:43:07 PM »
goon... i'm pretty sure that comment was directed at a group of people, of which, i would include you in.

did you notice the comment came shortly after a heated discussion you were taking part in?... i wouldn't count yourself completely out.
by the way... i saw no insult in gordon's post.  if you'd like to point it out to me in a PM rather than rehashing in this thread, i'd be happy to take a look.
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Re: The most important vehicle in 100yrs!
« Reply #62 on: April 02, 2009, 04:35:59 PM »

p.s.  several of you need an environmental/physics class  :P  but, i'll leave the de-brainwashing up to the professors.



I thought that's how the Brainwashing Begins!?!   ??? ??? ???   ;) ;)
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« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2009, 04:08:21 PM »
Yeah nukes are not the way to go, and what we see by the media is only the tip of the iceburg of what really happens.
Please to all check out the links I posted about, take a GOOOOD read on it and talk, Stan meyer had been working on his method for onboard electrolysis for over 30 yrs (yes around the time I was born in 1977), no hydrogen bombs to worry about. His setups were scary they worked so good. 100 miles to the gallon of WATER. Please take goon seriously here, and support his findings. we can as a global society get past all the political mumbo jumbo I rant about in all the other threads and take these kinda things into reality.

Where do you think Stan is getting the energy from to power his on-board electrolysis?  He may be getting 100 miles to the gallon of water, but he would get much farther if he used the same amount of electricity used to split the water molecules to just power an electric motor for the car.  Stan's engine burns hydrogen instead of gasoline.  That's the only real difference from the standard car.  The location where the electrolysis takes place to produce that hydrogen (in the car or in a large plant) doesn't make any difference.  It takes electricity to do it either way, and that electricity is still being produced by burning fossil fuels.

And I briefly addressed this in an earlier post, but hydrogen fuel cells (like the one generating the electricity for the Honda originally posted) have absolutely nothing to do with nukes or hydrogen bombs.       

 

You didn't watch the whole video did you, go back and see where he is doing it at on the car, do you thing he has a 100,000 ft extension chord to use while he is driving and making electrolysis...... Werd man.....

Well heffay I'd say it clearly started with this, to make a statment like that with out even checking documented sources, I guess I get personal about that. I deal with people that have that kind of attitude all day in a sign shop. For a comment like that is obsurd and will like I stated about the politics will deter most people of even showing interest in it. Hell he even did the same thing

I am done with that and have no shame with sharing it with all of us an no PM, we all have so much in common that is why these things happen.

I do however have many links to share on compressed natural gas conversions that I didn't get a chance to talk about and I also have many links for the Propane lovers too, works great for rock crawlers and soo much.
I will post them and talk about it when I get a chance, we are so short handed in our shop that I have been out on installs all week and not machining parts. I also have linke to going green sites and rain barrels, mulching for gardening, safe natural chemicals .

Sorry I will actually start a green thread to share all that other info with. See like I said knowledge is power and I want to share my research.
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« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2009, 04:17:13 PM »
ok... nevermind the PM

good luck fighting your fight w/in the masses  :-*

like i said, though... where's the insult?
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« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2009, 04:54:33 PM »
Part of the technological advances made in motor vehicles have gone to performance instead of efficiency.  We have family sedans now with enough power to outrun muscle cars of a few decades ago.  They actually get better fuel economy at the same time.  As long as gas has been and continues to be cheap, people will continue to care more about performance than efficiency.

Also take a seriuos note on how much hydrogen he is able to produce compared to the methods we all have seen in the B.S. media. I am done here, don't like peeing in the wind.
Ya'll have fun doing the same thing all the politicians keep doing.

What kind of fuel are you using in your SOHC?

I checked out out the water powered car links and didn't see any documentation.  Just a lot of claims.

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Re: The most important vehicle in 100yrs!
« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2009, 05:25:55 PM »
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there is much more to the use of hydrogen as automobile fuel than the fact that it burns clean.

Enlighten us....

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I do however have many links to share on compressed natural gas conversions

Natural gas conversions have been around for nearly 40 years here in Aus, once again you use a little more but it is cheap and with a lot less pollution. Most of the gas systems here are "dual fuel" conversions where your car can run on both fuels, this is a compromise as both require a different state of tune to work effectively, gas has a higher octane rating, so with the right setup will produce more horsepower.

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« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2009, 05:43:27 PM »
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« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2009, 05:48:19 PM »
That was a clever answer  ::)  You made the statement i was just asking for your reasons.

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« Reply #69 on: April 03, 2009, 10:02:21 PM »
As was stated earlier, hydrogen is almost always bonded with another element here on earth.  To be used as a fuel in its pure form, it needs to be removed which requires energy.

It is also difficult to store enough in an automobile to provide range comparable to a conventional internal combustion engine vehicle.

Hydrogen may never be a good source of energy but if these shortcomings can be overcome, it can because a good storage medium.

There is a nuclear fusion reactor that's been running for many, many years but thus far remains largely untapped.
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« Reply #70 on: April 04, 2009, 09:08:34 AM »
That was a clever answer  ::)  You made the statement i was just asking for your reasons.

Mick

You bring up many good points and really the rest of the world should follow Aussi's examples, I remember seeing solar panels powering stuff for people in the outback when i was a kid, and thought why don't we do that.

What all nat gas conversions are over there? For everything up to 8 cylinders? The kits available here for up to 6 cyclinders and CRAZY expensive and only available in CA last I checked about three months ago.
Would be nice to fill up at home.....
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« Reply #71 on: April 04, 2009, 09:32:52 AM »
http://estimator.solar-estimate.org/index.php?verifycookie=1&page=rightforme&subpage
Sorry not to hijack, I will start a green thread on monday when I get back to work.

Fuel catalyst for better milage, they even have a version that we could drop in our gas tanks to help for now.

http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/

This site is too cool not to share, can't find my link for the nat gas(argh!) have to look and find it again...

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/blood-battery.htm
kinda crepppy

Propane...
http://www.hendrixsystems.com/index.html

what can be converted.
http://www.hendrixsystems.com/car_truck_list.html
They have nat gas conversions but you will find more here.

http://www.cngoutfitters.com/

they have alot on there, check out the faq's for more info than I can type without braking a finger.
I would love to see what Aussie. has to offer and if we can have access to or start the ball rolling with out hoops to jump through that congress throws out...
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Re: The most important vehicle in 100yrs!
« Reply #72 on: April 04, 2009, 09:41:00 AM »

p.s.  several of you need an environmental/physics class  :P  but, i'll leave the de-brainwashing up to the professors.



I thought that's how the Brainwashing Begins!?!   ??? ??? ???   ;) ;)

Yeah, I think he has it completely backwards there too. The brainwashing does begin there, please leave your original thoughts at the door.
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Re: The most important vehicle in 100yrs!
« Reply #73 on: April 04, 2009, 05:44:05 PM »
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What all nat gas conversions are over there? For everything up to 8 cylinders?

You can get gas conversions for absolutely everything, even our city buses are gas powered.
We have straight off the production line models of Ford and GM that are gas only cars, these conversions can be done for performance as well with a change of cam and timing.
Check out some systems here. go into the gallery.
http://www.gasresearch.com.au/

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« Reply #74 on: April 04, 2009, 05:48:25 PM »
Here's one on a V8.


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