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In case you were curious, or if it has been a while since you were in school...



The 3 'theres'
they're  <-->  they are -->  They're in the garage.
their  <-->  it belongs to them -->  The garage is theirs.
there  <-->  location  -->  The garage is over there.

you're vs. your
you're  -->  you are
your  -->  denotes possession  -->  That skid mark is yours.
(I always smile when someone writes "Your an idiot!")

two, too, to:
2  -->  two
to  -->  I'm going to the garage.
too  -->  Are you going to the garage too?

then vs. than
then  -->  Do this, then do that.
than  -->  Do this, rather than that.
But then again, it's better than that.

here, hear:
here  -->  Come here.
hear  -->  Did you hear me?  I said come here!
(Hearsay, not heresay)


'of' does not mean 'have'
should 'of' been  -->  should have been, or should've been.


Those damn apostrophes...
In a contraction (where two words are brought together), generally, apostrophes are placed where the first letter is missing.

Examples:
do not  -->  don't
does not  -->  doesn't
can not  -->  can't

This is not always the case though...
will not  -->  won't  (notice "ill" got dropped and we added an "o")


it's  -->  it is  -->  It's a nice day.
it's  -->  it has  -->  It's been a while.
its  -->  Every dog has its day.

Indicating possession (it belongs to someone):
That is Heffay's Yugo.
Billings' residents need to be careful when Heff rides through.

The above sentence is correct, but I'm told the following is also correct:
Billings's residents....





The use of multiple periods (ellipsis):
The rules are to use 3 or 4.
In general, they are used to emphasize a pause in speech, an unfinished thought, or at the end of a sentence indicating trailing off into silence. 
For example, if a deep thought inspired the following sentence, I might put 3 periods at the
beginning:
...or it could be the carburetor.

If I want to emphasize further thought at the end, I would write:
I wonder if it's the carburetor...

If this sentence falls at the end of the paragraph, then I'd end it with 4 periods:
I wonder if it's the carburetor....

Use multiple periods when you quote someone, but only use part of the quote.  The periods replace the omitted words. 

Example:
In 1969, the Honda Motor Company revealed the remarkable CB750, a machine that would change motorcycling forever.

"...the Honda Motor Company revealed the remarkable CB750...."

or the more correct (but more cumbersome)
"[...]the Honda Motor Company revealed the remarkable CB750[....]"

(In general, [] is used when inserting stuff into direct quotes.  Here, we use it to emphasize that the ellipsis are not pauses in speech, but omitted words.  I still prefer the less cumbersome version though.)



What in the Flip Wilson does e.g., i.e., and et al. mean?
They're Latin; the actual words are exempli gratia (e.g.), id est (i.e.), and et alii (et al.).
e.g.  -->  "for example"
i.e.  -->  "that is"
et al.  -->  "and others"


Punctuation... does it go inside quotation marks, or outside?
Answer:  Both, it depends on the situation.  But most of the time, it goes on the inside (except if you're British).

Examples:
Today, I saw Heffay and said, "Hey Hef, what's up?"
Heffay said, "not much," but I could tell he was up to no good.
Attempting to keep Heffay out of the hooscow, I told him he really shouldn't build that doomsday machine.
Heffay, unsure of what I said, asked me if I said "shouldn't"?  (Here, it would also be correct to place the punctuation inside the quotation mark, but I purposely put the punctuation outside when I want to emphasize the word, and not the word-punctuation combination.  In this example, when my character used the word "shouldn't" in this make-believe conversation, he used it more as a statement and not a question.)


" vs. '
Use " when you directly quote someone. 
If the thing you're quoting involves an embedded quotation, then it goes like this:
"When I saw Heffay on his CB, he said, 'Look soichiro, no hands.'"

Outside of these set rules, in general, I use ' when I paraphrase someone (that is, not a direct quote, but I just relay to the reader the gist of what someone else said.  I do not claim that this is a set rule, but it's what I do).



General style:
Well, you know, I mean...

Here are some principles I try to use, but it's just my preference, not a rule per se.

I generally go for efficiency and clarity, without making it sound too boring.  People are more likely to read what you write (and understand it) if you keep it as short as possible.  Get rid of everything that doesn't contribute to the thought you're trying to convey.  Also, it's best, in an
argument, to convey only one thought at a time.


Here's an example.  The first draft, and then the edited version.

Well... if I were going to tune my carburetor, I would first check to see if the gaskets are still good.  I mean, if the gaskets are bad, then we're in trouble. The next step is to check to see if the jets are clogged.  You can do this by eye.  If the jets are clogged, then gas will not flow to the cylinders the way it should. 

Edited for conciseness and clarity:
As a first step when tuning your carburetor, visually check the gaskets and jets.  Clogged jets restrict the flow of gasoline.

I could probably get away with just this:
As a first step when tuning your carburetor, visually check the gaskets and jets.

Notice the elimination of those horrendous phrases like 'you know' and 'I mean'.





That f'n semicolon!
(From William Strunk, Jr. (1869–1946).  The Elements of Style.  1918.)
If two or more clauses, grammatically complete and not joined by a conjunction, are to form a single compound sentence, the proper mark of punctuation is a semicolon.
Examples:
1. Stevenson's romances are entertaining; they are full of exciting adventures.
2. It is nearly half past five; we cannot reach town before dark.

It is of course equally correct to write the above as two sentences each, replacing the semicolons by periods.
1. Stevenson's romances are entertaining. They are full of exciting adventures.
2. It is nearly half past five. We cannot reach town before dark.

If a conjunction is inserted, the proper mark is a comma.  (The 'conjunctions'
here are 'for' and 'and')
1. Stevenson's romances are entertaining, for they are full of exciting adventures.
2. It is nearly half past five, and we cannot reach town before dark.





Anyway, this is just for anyone who may have been wondering but was afraid to ask.  I'm no English professor, so take this with a grain of salt.  And don't worry... I don't judge anyone by the way they type.   ;D
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 03:39:44 PM »
Wow that's alot of typing.
I do need a refresher course, and to those who don't know the G.E.D. classes aren't just for the ged folks they even encourage everyone to visit and touch up on keeping all that fresh in the head, I went several times just to study for free, good services to remember, even better than the library because they have teachers to help you and not a creepy librarian that probably has whips and chains in the back room...

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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2009, 03:41:10 PM »
I think it's more fun to read a Honda owner's manual from the early 60's... ;D

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2009, 04:27:23 PM »
with all that going through my head
how can i sleep
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2009, 05:46:27 PM »
Ahh, but what about the Oxford comma?

I prefer to use it because I think it lends itself to more precision, but the choice is yours friends.  The choice is yours.
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 06:01:08 PM »
Slaughter of the English language.

My eye balls pop out of my head when I hear "These ones" or "Those ones".

*cringe*
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 06:16:10 PM »
Slaughter of the English language.

My eye balls pop out of my head when I hear "These ones" or "Those ones".

*cringe*
I'm with you on that one, one of my pet peeves.  It's either "these" or "that one" but not "these ones".

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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 06:18:33 PM »
Slaughter of the English language.

My eye balls pop out of my head when I hear "These ones" or "Those ones".

*cringe*
I'm with you on that one, one of my pet peeves.  It's either "these" or "that one" but not "these ones".

See if there were such a thing as a double plural, all those idiots would be set!
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 06:29:41 PM »
Another one is when people use "their" for all three usages.  It's almost like they never heard of "there" or "they're".  Or when people use "to" when they mean "too", or when they say they're going out to fix the breaks on the bike (I'm not allowed to do that until brake time  ;D).

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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 06:39:26 PM »
Okay, my eyes rolled back in my head on some of those(ones ;D).  Who really cares how many periods one uses?  A trail of periods (to me, at least) is a way of expressing the phrase "uhh".  We all say it, but we don't type it.

The one that gets me is used on these custom car and bike building shows, where they describe a custom as a "one off", when it's really a "one of", as in one of a kind.   One off what?  If you made one off(assuming another), wouldn't there then be two?
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2009, 06:50:59 PM »


The one that gets me is used on these custom car and bike building shows, where they describe a custom as a "one off", when it's really a "one of", as in one of a kind.   One off what?  If you made one off(assuming another), wouldn't there then be two?
OOPs, I'm guilty of using that term :-[ 
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 06:55:27 PM »
Okay, my eyes rolled back in my head on some of those(ones ;D).  Who really cares how many periods one uses?  A trail of periods (to me, at least) is a way of expressing the phrase "uhh".  We all say it, but we don't type it.

Just stating the general rules.  If you were writing a novel, for example, you might care about it.

I guess I included that one because I use it all the time....  (D'oh!)
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2009, 07:51:06 PM »
What makes me cringe is when so many use "alot" instead of "many", especially professionals.
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2009, 08:01:27 PM »
What makes me cringe is when so many use "alot" instead of "many", especially professionals.

That would piss me off too.

Espically since it's "a lot".  :-*

I know what you mean though...  :D
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 08:19:42 PM »
The farmer is sowing seed in the field, his wife is in the farmhouse sewing his torn trousers, what are they both doing?

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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 08:37:50 PM »
From 'Urban dictionary' (specializing in slang or recent-ish expressions)

1.     One Off
   
(n) a one time occurence. An ad-hoc exception to rule. Corporate jargon meaning that you'll do it once and not repeat.
Let's just treat this as a one-off and make sure it doesn't happen again.
ad-hoc one off one time exception repeat
   
Chiefly British.

-adjective
1. one of a kind; unique.
2. done, made, or happening only once.
-noun
3. a one night stand.
4. something done, made, or happening only once.

This began as a British expression but is now known in the US and elsewhere.

one off:
 unique singularity one night stand fling

   
A person you only plan to have sex with once. A one-night stand.

   
short for One of a Kind
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2009, 08:44:14 PM »
THANK YOU, Soichiro!
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2009, 09:12:40 PM »
While we're on the subject:

-When you misplace something, you LOSE it.  Not LOOSE it.
-There's no such word as noone.
-When you witnessed an action or spotted someone and want to relay this to another
  person, you say "I SAW" it/them, not "I SEEN" it/them.       
-The word is eSpresso, not eXpresso.

 

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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2009, 10:19:32 PM »
Don't get me started on pronunciation!!

"Giggling" (two syllables)

Correct pronunciation: Gig - ling (two syllables)

Gen Y pronunciation: Gig - gul - ing (three syllables)...
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2009, 06:24:32 AM »
Supposably
Expecially
Nucular (popularized by none other than the big W)
Using the phrase "begs the question" to mean "raises the question", when that's not even close to the correct meaning.     

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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2009, 08:03:52 AM »
How about the Ebay language ?

     Prolly = Probably
    Crome = Chrome
Duel Disk = Dual Disc

 There is (are?) a bunch more that I come across on a regular basis, but I can think of them right now.
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2009, 08:18:44 AM »
Using the phrase "begs the question" to mean "raises the question", when that's not even close to the correct meaning.     

I see this used incorrectly all the time especially by print newspapers and it bugs the crap outta me.

Either they don't know what it means, or they are too lazy to bother - People who supposedly know something about the language and expect to be taken seriously.



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So Yeah, I'm getting news off the interwebs; but it's not because I don't know any better Mr. newspaper guy.  It's because I'm not going to pay a a dollar for a sorry-a** gossip rag.  Jeebus Mary mother 'o' god, I could do better news than you idiots...  Drunk.




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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2009, 08:43:43 AM »
I think craigslist might be worse.  I am more likely to buy something from someone if I think they're literate.  :D

The funny thing is there are no rules that English (or any language for that matter) has to follow.  Linguists are descriptive rather than prescriptive.  So if enough people over a long enough time period use prolly instead of probably, it will become an "acceptable" word.  I put acceptable in quotes, because it is a relative term.  Acceptable to whom? (or is it who?)  You would get eviscerated for using prolly in an academic paper (and my wife, who is an English Lit prof, sees these words on a regular basis in her student's papers), but it is completely fine to use the word colloquially.  People often forget that dictionaries came much later than words and definitions in them, and that language will always change much quicker than dictionaries can. 

The same goes for pronunciation. The Great Vowel Shift that occured in English between the 15th and 18th centuries is a good example.  Regional dialects greatly effect pronunciation, but no one would argue that people are mispronouncing words because of an accent.
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2009, 08:53:57 AM »
I think this site iz in ur intrawebz, killing ur engrishes.
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2009, 09:03:31 AM »
I aint' don beeen speelin two bad eye thunk.
EEn koledg I wuz un inglesh mejur.

How culd I not speel korectli, I was burn 'nd razed in the good ole USA?
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2009, 09:13:30 AM »
Given how messed up the English language is, I do not worry about it. After all, English in the US is a mish mash anyways of various languages and as such is usually allowed to be more flexible to an extent. Also, if you think this is beholden only to English, you would be mistaken. Also, as times change, speech changes, It would be impossible to dispute this. You can look at the number of languages out there that are very similar and derived from a common base.

Another point on the this is that IF there were only one way to write something, every school would teach it that way, grade school up to graduate schools. As there is a vast range of levels, it would indicate that there is almost always more than 1 method. now here I am talking structure.

I see no excuse for misspelled words. Seeing a word like Xtrem or Xtreme annoys me, especially if it is a business.
I remember then that I used to frequent a bar called dickheads. yes it was called dickheads. Not very PC is it. Well the city didn't think so either and so the owners cleverly changed the name to Richard Cranium's. Means exactly the same thing, just said differently. ;)

I decided that if it is understandable, I do not much care, unless it is something VERY important. I could care less about a newspaper not using one person's standard as long as the reporting itself it solid. Now an instruction manual for a space shuttle, THAT is important.

I figure we have enough things to worry about in this life that being a grammar nazi is pointless.

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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2009, 09:51:15 AM »

I remember then that I used to frequent a bar called dickheads. yes it was called dickheads. Not very PC is it. Well the city didn't think so either and so the owners cleverly changed the name to Richard Cranium's. Means exactly the same thing, just said differently. ;)


 Yeah, there was a guy on here who did the same thing, changed his name to "Richard Cranium". I think he was originally "Beldar, mistress of the gr8 Blunder" or something like that.
 The new name seamed to suit him better. ;D
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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2009, 10:20:05 AM »
Well I would think that better than vanna white! :D

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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2009, 11:36:23 AM »
I could care less about a newspaper not using one person's standard as long as the reporting itself it solid.


You could care less?  Or you couldn't care less? ;) ;D

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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2009, 12:23:31 PM »
I COULD care less, but only a small amount! ;D

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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2009, 12:24:47 PM »
...if that WAS wheel of fortune, the 'f' would've been turned, as evidenced by the 'f' in 'yourself'.

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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2009, 12:31:29 PM »
Now the real question! What the host's name?  :D

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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2009, 12:53:19 PM »
I figure we have enough things to worry about in this life that being a grammar nazi is pointless.

I agree.  I thought school may be pretty far in the past for many folks here, and I wanted to provide a quick reference for anyone that wanted it.

Yes... grammar and spelling police are bad.  I almost never point out another person's literary mishaps on the forum.



On a side thought, it's interesting how language works; change/add/remove just a few simple words from a sentence, and it can provoke drastically different responses....
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2009, 01:06:44 PM »
I don't think that "Urban Dictionary"is a source like "Websters".   Urban is more a reflection of how people use (or misuse) words.  If everyone uses a word wrongly, then it's no longer wrong(?)!
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2009, 01:18:07 PM »
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That is the realm of urban dictionary.

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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2009, 01:24:44 PM »
Don't forget the Dirty Schultz.
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2009, 01:58:34 PM »
I don't think that "Urban Dictionary"is a source like "Websters".   Urban is more a reflection of how people use (or misuse) words.  If everyone uses a word wrongly, then it's no longer wrong(?)!

If your girlfriend says "I want us to rent a cheap hotel room and spend the weekend pegging."  You might want to look that up in Urban dictionary.  Websters not so much.
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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2009, 02:57:36 PM »
I figure we have enough things to worry about in this life that being a grammar nazi is pointless.

But when someone starts a thread on the subject, anything and everything within that thread is fair game.  It's fun! ;D

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Re: Common mistakes in the English language and other curiosities
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2009, 02:58:32 PM »
I don't think that "Urban Dictionary"is a source like "Websters".   Urban is more a reflection of how people use (or misuse) words.  If everyone uses a word wrongly, then it's no longer wrong(?)!

If your girlfriend says "I want us to rent a cheap hotel room and spend the weekend pegging."  You might want to look that up in Urban dictionary.  Websters not so much.


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