Topic: Ever heard of dynabeads?

[SiliconDoc]

If you're screeching around insane on a bike, please see the helmet thread. If you already have please reread your post about how you always wear a helmet, because you're a safe person, then compare and contrast to ripping and screeching around at highway speeds and ramming tilted into insane corners.

Thank you.

Now your a saint as well, ever hear of track days?, there are a hell of a lot of guys here that do that as well, besides i have been riding for well over 30 years and have had one accident and i was hit from behind in the rain and left for dead. These beads are completely un proven and can't be used if you corner hard..!!   Last time i rode it was pretty easy to corner hard at 60 mph and still be riding to the letter of the law, why don't you stop trying to discredit me and read their own facts, these alone don't inspire confidence. They aren't an alternative only a band aid solution as they only work some of the time and i think its good to let people know of their limitations.

Mick

Oh, OK !   Now that I've taken some time and actually DRIVEN the point home on the real physics involved, with some very excellent and multiple explanations, now we're to the point that you understand they don't- "not work at all", but have certain limitations and people ought to know. GREAT!
We agree 100% !
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You can thank me, for taking the time, and dissecting the beads and the way they would act and react, and participating, and explaining it, because now we have a good idea where they are good and where they are not, for whom, and when they should be avoided.
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 Ok, good for you, yeah absolutely, but be honest, they are ok for normal riders. If you've decided to accept your own fudge and cover your rep by claiming your 60 corners are not BEYOND highway speed, but dangerous with these anyway ( yes as THEY said it must be, to be dangerous, that you copied here for us)- well then, no good on ya...

So take yer pick, the truth, or more-- wind, slip in sideways and foul

[Achmed]

Dude, you are f'ing awesome! I can't get enough! Tell me more about the chics, I need a bedtime story.

[SiliconDoc]

 It's beddy bye time for you troll.

[Achmed]

As you can see, I am an enthusiast, whilst you are only a full member. Troll this, troll that. I have earned great laurels here on the SOHC site, with my witty repartee. Ah, I could go on and on. But seriously, I do enjoy your posts.

[SiliconDoc]

This thread could go forever. It reminds me of the age old question which is the best oil to run? I run Castrol 10w40. Wonder if their is some scientific reason or equasion that explains why I should or shouldn't do this?

Its easy now, Read that and tell me what you think...

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/LowProfileTires.pdf

 That gives me NO confidence it their product at all.

Mick

It seems to me they gave you what absolutely should be a completely understandable explanation, with the physics involved pointed out in shortened lay terms ( the beads would NOT move to one side or the other of the inner part of the tire to any large degree, since they "stick" in the "deeper" center of the tire area on rotation- what they say makes easy, and absolutely perfect sense, considering the physics involved)

...hence your "confidence" in the Company should have immediately risen, and your understanding concerning the products safe use should have also gone up.

 Instead, you blundered onward, failed to retract "they're lairs!", and I'm certain, for those that testified here they used them and definitely had improvement, they probably still want to.... well you know where they want to tell you to go...

What was the general idea "your side" offered before you admitted they work, albiet with caveats... ahh yes, it was the " they're imagining things" and "placebo effect", and "false test more than one factor".

Congratulations for growing beyond your rude, putdowns attitude, and at least saying enough that you admitted, even if you weren't intending it, you understand, the real truth concerning the beads.

[SiliconDoc]

Hey I own a almost 36 y/o motorcycle and use the beads. I've been riding for 30years as well. I also know my limits and my machines limits. I occasionley twist the throttle up to 110mph or so but mostly just ride for fun and pleasure and not out trying to prove anything, considering just about any modern crotch rocket is far more stable and faster than a lot of our beloved stoneage bikes. As far as the helmet goes, if that makes me a wimp or quote "safe", then I will continue to be a wimp. I like my brain in my head and not on the asphault.

That of course was not my point, at all. The point is, Mick first said they don't work at all, then after my explanations he understood they do work, as he said, with certain limitations. I pointed out if you're so worried about "safety factors" concerning the beads, then stopping racing around beyond highway speed, and hard ramming corners, because the Beads people said if you do that, the beads aren't GUARANTEED, and are not recommended for DRAG STRIP racing, so drive normal with beads, and no low rider tires.

 Mick w Retro ROCKET ----------------------> zoom! turned that into "well I go 60 around a corner inside the law and I still hit it hard and say these won't work because... well.. because" and "so there".


So, of course, I had to point out others may not be hammerheads, and so it's fine for them. Mick had a fit and claimed there's RACE something weekend people here,.. of course, claiming EVERYONE is a raging motorhead, or feeling bad that screaming everyone needs a helmet or they're an idiot is not real smart when you wear a helmet because you race around on a Retro Rocket like a speed nut, which of course, Mick does not, ever- except on race weekend or whatever he called it, and what, like am I an angel or something?...

I don't think a helmet makes you a wimp or safe, or anything else, but my main point was, if you're a helmet thumping freak, and you rip around corners at 60, (and the police knows what else),

... don't rip the product users that don't "go beyond" the normal limits, and don't act like your some safety nut that has the right idea.
No, you're a raging overdoing speed freak who knows they're gonna rape the throttle, and preach about wearing helmets, and bag a product because it's not up to your insane twistie goosing... and you're going to pretend that's valid, even when the product manufacturer/seller themselves responsibly and honestly pointed out the limitations.

Nope, not with me here, trying to get me to agree with that, coming at me with that. That was the point. That is the point. 

[Retro Rocket]

Oh, OK !  Grin Now that I've taken some time and actually DRIVEN the point home on the real physics involved, with some very excellent and multiple explanations, now we're to the point that you understand they don't- "not work at all", but have certain limitations and people ought to know. GREAT!
We agree 100% !
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You can thank me, for taking the time, and dissecting the beads and the way they would act and react, and participating, and explaining it, because now we have a good idea where they are good and where they are not, for whom, and when they should be avoided.
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 Ok, good for you, yeah absolutely, but be honest, they are ok for normal riders. If you've decided to accept your own fudge and cover your rep by claiming your 60 corners are not BEYOND highway speed, but dangerous with these anyway ( yes as THEY said it must be, to be dangerous, that you copied here for us)- well then, no good on ya...

So take yer pick, the truth, or more-- wind, slip in sideways and foul

Actually our Highway speeds are up too 68 MPH, {110KPH}.
If the beads reacted the way you say then there wouldn't be a problem but cornering forces and speed affect the way that works so its not that simple. I would like to see what an insurance company has to say if you were doing 110 kmh and some idiot has an accident or some thing of the kind and you have to take evasive action, cornering hard to escape the accident and you went down in the process.  Was it caused by the beads, do you see where i'm going here, the insurance company only has to do what i did and google the product only to find the disclaimer i posted, no warranty and no guarantee. So there is definitely more than one reason why i would never use these things on a bike, now IF they do work as described then maybe they would be fine in my ute, {truck} but not on my bike. And just to clear up your next post ,  I NEVER said they worked, { i edited that post as what i meant was "as far as others say"}, { would you say your bike "worked" if it only went 30 mph flat out} I still stick to what i said about placebo as most people, if you asked them, wouldn't even know if their tyres were balanced or not so they "assume", or "feel" better for doing something they "think" will work.

...hence your "confidence" in the Company should have immediately risen, and your understanding concerning the products safe use should have also gone up.

You think..!! I have confidence thats the exact reason i will NEVER use them on any bike i own if thats what you mean but don't get too carried away with "confidence"

ongratulations for growing betyond your rude, putdowns attitude, and at least saying enough that you admitted, even if you weren't intending it, you understand, the real truth concerning the beads.

Hey listen mate, your condescending and patronizing tones bore that, i was just partaking in the general thread, when your argument went sideways you started speaking sh1t,  motor companies and beads on the workshop floors and so on, none of which really had any relevance anyway, i have made my point and maybe if you had looked into the things {beads} properly then half of what you said could have been avoided. I can guarantee you that if these things were infallible they would already be in our cars now, and regardless of what you think this is not a new technology. Another thing , i didn't say they wouldn't work, i said i would side with what the engineer had to say and you didn't convince me of anything, everything i have said or stated came from other sources. I have had enough of answering your posts because all you seem intent on doing is putting words in to my mouth and exaggerating what i am saying, i think you watch to much TV..... You seem to thrive on labeling people to satisfy your need to be correct, just admit it, your not.

of course, claiming EVERYONE is a raging motorhead,

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PATHETIC

Mick

[Gordon]

At first I was wondering if that was the same SiliconDoc who came around here a couple of years ago and did nothing but cause trouble. 

I'm not wondering anymore...

[SiliconDoc]

Most of the innovations in our bikes and cars are a direct result of technology developed for motor racing, this is a fact also these beads are NOT to be used for racing or harder than "highway" use so as far as i and many others are concerned these will never make it into their or my bikes. Did you even bother to look at what that PDF file says.?

Mick

Some mechanical innovations, but claiming most and it's a fact, NOPE. Big car companies have specialists developing motors, and have for a long, long time.

 You basically just said if it doesn't come from the race track, it's not in new bikes or cars, and since these beads aren't for racing, we'll never have them in bikes and cars. I guess GM and the world's car companies can now fire all their development people and hire race car dreamers, and of course, there is no new tech in cars and bikes that don't come from the race track (another LIE) so the beads can't come, because beads aren't for racing...

Now all we need to do is rip everything out of cars and bikes that wasn't developed from racing, and you'll finally "look close" to having an attempt at a point that isn't total bs.

Dude, it sounded good, I admit, but it's basically insane.

"If it's not good enough for racing, it can't be in cars or bikes" - hence racing vehicles are not even above standard cars.
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nice try.... no not really...

[SiliconDoc]

If the beads reacted the way you say then there wouldn't be a problem but cornering forces and speed affect the way that works so its not that simple. I would like to see what an insurance company has to say if you were doing 110 kmh and some idiot has an accident or some thing of the kind and you have to take evasive action, cornering hard to escape the accident and you went down in the process.  Was it caused by the beads, do you see where i'm going here, the insurance company only has to do what i did and google the product only to find the disclaimer i posted, no warranty and no guarantee. So there is definitely more than one reason why i would never use these things on a bike, now IF they do work as described then maybe they would be fine in my ute, {truck} but not on my bike. And just to clear up your next post ,  I NEVER said they worked, { i edited that post as what i meant was "as far as others say"}, { would you say your bike "worked" if it only went 30 mph flat out} I still stick to what i said about placebo as most people, if you asked them, wouldn't even know if their tyres were balanced or not so they "assume", or "feel" better for doing something they "think" will work.

...hence your "confidence" in the Company should have immediately risen, and your understanding concerning the products safe use should have also gone up.

You think..!! I have confidence thats the exact reason i will NEVER use them on any bike i own if thats what you mean but don't get too carried away with "confidence"

ongratulations for growing betyond your rude, putdowns attitude, and at least saying enough that you admitted, even if you weren't intending it, you understand, the real truth concerning the beads.

Hey listen mate, your condescending and patronizing tones bore that, i was just partaking in the general thread, when your argument went sideways you started speaking sh1t,  motor companies and beads on the workshop floors and so on, none of which really had any relevance anyway, i have made my point and maybe if you had looked into the things {beads} properly then half of what you said could have been avoided. I can guarantee you that if these things were infallible they would already be in our cars now, and regardless of what you think this is not a new technology. Another thing , i didn't say they wouldn't work, i said i would side with what the engineer had to say and you didn't convince me of anything, everything i have said or stated came from other sources. I have had enough of answering your posts because all you seem intent on doing is putting words in to my mouth and exaggerating what i am saying, i think you watch to much TV..... You seem to thrive on labeling people to satisfy your need to be correct, just admit it, your not.

of course, claiming EVERYONE is a raging motorhead,

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PATHETIC

Mick

Well, I am correct, and you got absolutely caught more than once not being correct, and it's about to happen again.
 Since beads DO ACT the way I've said they do, and I'm the ONLY ONE whom has said so, there are problems with cornering, speeding up, slowing down quickly, etc. You need to talk to mr "pre-physics" man who claimed they never budged from their balancing stuck position, in which case, racing and corner could NOT throw off balance, you... non physics minded person, you person who is WRONG.
See, it happened, again, already.
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Next you talk about my INSURANCE claim idea, aka lawyers and ambulance chasers - whateva - thanks for imitating me already, after I told tyyou what to think about, that DISPROVES your "they would implement it's cheaper" rant you went on for 5 pages-- Thanks for helping me prove you wrong again, by you imitating what I already pointed out--
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 Next, regardless of hwat you think, I never claimed anything about "new technology beads" - but you claimed most EVERYTHING we have in cars and bike is from racing, and new bead tech isn't good enough for racing, so it's not good enough for cars... LOL YOU came up with it as "racing tech fail". Not I.
See, it happened AGAIN.
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You've had enough because... well, you can't seem to get more than one right, in my view, which to save face, you've now retracted, unconvincingly.
 You haven't answsered any of my questions, but I politely made certain I answered yours. Even read what you demanded, and answered your question, your demand for my opinion.

[SiliconDoc]

At first I was wondering if that was the same SiliconDoc who came around here a couple of years ago and did nothing but cause trouble. 

I'm not wondering anymore...

I am not causing trouble, but you just did.

[Inigo Montoya]

How did he just cause trouble? What, you gonna threaten him or something?

[Frankenkit]

[mlinder]

Oh Em Gee

[Retro Rocket]

At first I was wondering if that was the same SiliconDoc who came around here a couple of years ago and did nothing but cause trouble.  

I'm not wondering anymore...

I am not causing trouble, but you just did.

Never mind Gordon this idiot doesn't have a clue.
Mate you are a *ucking clown and i have for 1 had enough of your crap, i posted that pdf file to show that your precious beads are crap and have if any, limited use and should be avoided on motorcycles. You've twisted everything i was saying and i still have no idea what all the sh1t you dribble actually means. I have learned absolutely nothing from you and doubt i ever would, oh hang on i learned that you have no idea so you are one of the "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh1t" crowd. I know there are a lot of people that will now know more about these stupid little beads because of my posts, this is no pissing contest buddy so grow up and piss off. You have added nothing of any substance to this debate and persist to "twist" everything i have said to suit your own agenda which i have yet to fathom.
These useless little beads would only {if they work} be able to be used in about 15-20% of our road cars as they don't work under a 65 profile tyre actually the more i read the less these things have to offer at all. So in closing i would just like to add, i will paste the info on use restrictions here for all to see and everyone, as they were until silicon brains turned up, can make up their own minds. Believe what you will dude the only thing i learned from you is that you are a smart arse with no idea....thanks for coming.....

PDF file from Dynabeads.

Dyna Beads™ with Low Profile Tires
If you have low-profile tires, that being any tire with an aspect ratio 65 or below, you may have balancing issues that precludes using Dyna Beads as the sole balancing method.
Our official policy is that we do not advise using Dyna Beads in any car, truck or SUV tire with an aspect ratio 65 or below unless used in conjunction with weights.
The reason for this is that this type of tire has a higher incidence of lateral imbalance, which is basically that one side of the tire is heavier than the other side, creating a “wobbling” effect, or “shaking” of the steering wheel. This type of imbalance can only be corrected by careful placement of traditional weights on the wheel rim.
That being said, the physics principle is still the same, and the addition of a Maintenance amount will usually* smooth out the ride and reduce, if not eliminate, any future rebalancing issues.
Maintenance levels:
13” to 14” - 2oz per tire.
15” to 17” - 3 oz per tire
18” to 20” - 4 oz per tire
22” - 5 oz per tire
* While Maintenance levels have been very successful with customers, there are too many variables for us to accurately predict its success in a particular vehicle/tire type, and so we offer no assurance or guarantee using this method on your vehicle.
We strongly advise against using Dyna Beads in any vehicle used for racing, for any application involving cornering at high speeds, or in tires placed under high acceleration beyond normal highway use.

Mick

[Inigo Montoya]

Retro, you make me laugh sometimes!
no no, it is actually a good thing! 

Never mind Gordon this idiot doesn't have a clue.
Mate you are a *ucking clown and i have for 1 had enough of your crap,

I love it!

[Retro Rocket]

I am really glad i amuse someone better than bashing your bloody head against the wall..

I was starting to think input on some threads was bordering on illegal...

Mick

[SiliconDoc]

Yeah, sure Mick, thanks for posting the one thing I told you could actually be helpful to people.
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I'm not surprised you can't understand what I've said, but you do understand, no doubt, you can't BS me and I'll just swallow it whole and agree with you.

We're down to, the beads actually work up to normal highway speeds, in our bikes, and those who've tried them here have testified to that, and they aren't "imagining things", they aren't "failing to have a valid test" when reporting their beads success, and you're damned mad because you're going to gun it, and therefore can't safely use them, period.

(actually that last part, probably you know you shouldn't - because of your "backroad" speeding, so maybe it's easier for you to scream they don't work, and screw the people who use them successfully, call them cuckoo, to justify your own decisions)
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Also, since I was right, every single time, that causes "trouble", and "I'm condescending" because I'm correct and I know what I'm talking about, wheras others merely pretend to, and basically cannot keep up, even when they claim otherwise, and also make a myriad of other mistakes, that I point out, and that's bad....

Well, no it's not bad, the beads do work, there is a wonderful thread filled with much more technical information now, thanks to me, and I'll admit you as well, for copying the COMPANY's restrictions they honestly listed, and in the same spirit of proper use, we'll expect riders to say, for instance in an equivalence, NOT to do 125mph on tires they have on their SOCH that are only rated for 115.

See, that of course is the bottom line.


You, however, can claim they don't work till you're blue in the face, but you'll never be correct, and of course, you've sworn off trying them, because you'll find out you're wrong, another "great" way to "not cause trouble"
LOL
It is , absolutely amazing.
You have a nice day there Mick.

I personally have enjoyed the discussion with you, it is clear there has been headway, and I'd like to sya to those that have tried the beads and found them very helpful, you are not imagining things, not having a placebic effect, and those who've claimed you are, should shut it. 

[mlinder]

How well do all those people in your head get along, brother?

[SiliconDoc]

mlinder, you have now, obviously admitted defeat, as well.

Are you going to come clean, or will you hide behind " it won't matter if I go into it" ?

After your little "I explained it", and my where, and your link, it came down to you claiming the reason, your "explanation" of why "they don't work", is, a washer isn't perfectly balanced.

That's "the voice in your head bub".

Have a nice dream.

[SiliconDoc]

Anyone else want a whack ? LOL

Come on, punch away...since "Doh, dey don wuk" is the alternative.

I suggest you brainiacs who want to challenge tell me why the forward motion of the beads in the tire is not constant even at constant bike speeds - because then we would agree... huh, since I already pointed that out - when the detractors said "constant g force" forward.... yes they were and are wrong. The "scientists and physics majors".

[coldright]

How to make friends in 62 posts or less.

[Frankenkit]

I'm going to write a book titled
Intellectual Discussion to Verbal Belligerence: One Thread's Wild Odyssey"
it'll be great.

...until it digresses into me chatting with my characters and routinely breaking the 4th wall...

[mlinder]

mlinder, you have now, obviously admitted defeat, as well.

Are you going to come clean, or will you hide behind " it won't matter if I go into it" ?

After your little "I explained it", and my where, and your link, it came down to you claiming the reason, your "explanation" of why "they don't work", is, a washer isn't perfectly balanced.

That's "the voice in your head bub".

Have a nice dream.

Please see my sig

(no, not about ruining stuff, below that...)
I admit defeat only because logic and intellect are irrelevent in wonderland, where up is down and quality of content is, at best, secondary, to lots of words stated in a seemingly near random fashion as quickly, obtrusively and inanely as possible
Buck up, though, kiddo, you've certainly entertained!

[SiliconDoc]

How to make friends in 62 posts or less.

In time ricehopper, the truth does surface for those in the fog, and the event horizon is not far forward,
   and, being a smart aleck sheepler is obviously acquired in 391 posts or less. Nice. You made a friend, too. How'd you do that ?