Topic: Ever heard of dynabeads?

[Markcb750]

Actually, Albert straightened him out.

Actually Albert proved that Issac's straight lines where curved in 4 dimensions, but Issac got it close enough to reach the planets.  

[Achmed]

Oh, NOW you want to start talking about the 4th dimension!? Haha

[Markcb750]

Oh, NOW you want to start talking about the 4th dimension!? Haha

4 dimensions, I don't want to just waste time. I like wasting space time.




Physics humor, it's the most fun-da-mental.

[Retro Rocket]

We strongly advise against using Dyna Beads in any vehicle used for racing, for any application involving cornering at high speeds, or in tires placed under high acceleration beyond normal highway use.

This is in one of their pdf files. So it definitely is a big no no for me.

Mick

PS....here's the link for the non believers..
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/LowProfileTires.pdf

Looks like i may have killed the thread.....

Mick

[SiliconDoc]

How are they going to get them out of the tubeless tires when they change them ?

Surely they would all go to the bottom of the tyre once the bead is broken and the tyre is removed by the tyre machine all you would have to do is scoop them all out. If these are such a wonderful thing then i see it as no problen to fashion up a small scoop to get them out....quite simple really.

How are they going to epxlain that the tires are off balance at stop, and slow speed, and when locking the break, to the lawyers and insurance companies and ambulance chasers ?

Whats your point here? now you don't like them??

How are they going to get those *amned! thousands of beads out of the crevices and holes in their tires changers, and how many technicians are going to sue when they slip and fall on them in the shop ?

I see,all tyre fitters are incompetent. After reading some well thought out posts this wasn't one of them. Don't you think that the same guys could slip on the soap they use to fit these tyres or on a nut or bolt or screwdriver.!!
Over any given period of time these things would save the auto manufacturers millions of dollars and it doesn't take a degree to work that out.

Mick

k, so did scooping and rebeading just come up to spinning and lead weighting time ? How about the filter cost ? how about when you get any tire in for any service work, you now have to break the bead, get her all tippy on your machine, then put your scooper in, and WEIGH to make sure the proper amount of beads for that tire are present ... ? Gonna pay for that, too ?

And you know what I'm saying about lawyers and legal costs, the legal costs are also a cost factor and therefore are another reason against your idea that they could not possibly: " not implement if they actually worked".
So asking if I don't like them suddenly and playing ignorant, means you conceded that point entirely.

Soap wipes up with a rag, the beads do not, they go everywhere, and tiny ceramic beads in a motor - yikes... does soap rolling 100 feet across the shop floor and scattering in the thousands of bubbles in every direction sound familiar ? Then they have a static charge, stick to your shop rag and bubba the mech hat, then you're over the engine drooling later and when the spit hits the block yer grounded and in goes the ceramic ball to grind her up good, no need for government issued sodium silicate to destroy that one. Good job!
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nice try. 

[SiliconDoc]

The site itself claims a few seconds to stabilize, but doesn't exactly claim that it is from a dead stop in the link another poster provided, and doesn't say if it is at harsh speed changes or over bumps, etc. when it has a minor "recalibraton", but no doubt it does.

The site also says that they are no good for racing and gives some bull#$%* excuse about race tyres are softer on the inside so they won't work properly. This is just crap, i just went into the garage and looked at the racing slicks i have and compared them to the street tyres i have and they both look and feel identical on the inside. If these things are no good for racing then i doubt they are that good anyway. Some of us still ride hard and this point in particular is enough for me to give them a big miss. Also, how many of you guys using these have ground down the inside part of the valve inside your tyre? It also says you should do this or it doesn't work properly.

Mick

Of course race tires are as hard as all others, you never bought a "sticky" because you don't want to stick to the track, at all.

 Geeze, dude, yer off to the races all right. Wow.

[Retro Rocket]

k, so did scooping and rebeading just come up to spinning and lead weighting time ? How about the filter cost ? how about when you get any tire in for any service work, you now have to break the bead, get her all tippy on your machine, then put your cscooper in, and WEIGH to make sure the proper amount of beads for that tire are present ... ? Gonna pay for that, too ?

And you know what I'm saying about lawyers and legal costs, the legal costs are also a cost factor and therrfore are another reason against your idea that they could not possibly not implement if they actually worked.
So asking if I don't like them suddenly and playing ignorant, means you conceded that point entirely.

Soap wipes up with a rag, the beads do not, they go eeverywhere, and tiny ceramic beads in a motor - yikes... does soap rolling 100 feet across the shop floor and scatter in the thousands in every direction ?
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Thats all bull#$%* once again, never fitted a tyre eh. I looked at the size of the beads for bikes and they are that small that it would be just as easy to slip on dust or like i said a screw or nut and bolt. Scooping out the beads would take a tenth of the time it takes to balance a wheel , if you had done it you would know what i am talking about. Sounds like you know some clumsy mechanics mate and also the tyre machine in our shops was absolutely no where near the mechanical side of the business,so all you are doing is adding hypothetical nonsense to justify what you are trying to say. You service your tyres as well eh, please elaborate, you see i didn't just come down in the last shower and i can tell you as fact that bugger all people "service" their tyres....thats quite funny.....
Soap wipes up with a rag eh, another fallacy, you need water and rag to clean it up otherwise it leaves residue that is still slipery and if you are going to all that trouble to clean upthe soap may as well just sweep up the little balls as well....kinda makes sense,doesn't it. Anyway read my second last and last posts, there is no warranty guarentee and a warning about using those beads if you corner hard or accelerate harder than highway speeds.......Most people wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole after reading that...

Mick

[1974CB750rider]

This thread could go forever. It reminds me of the age old question which is the best oil to run? I run Castrol 10w40. Wonder if their is some scientific reason or equasion that explains why I should or shouldn't do this?

[Achmed]

SiliconDoc, I would like to know more about you. Any pictures of your bike? What kind of work do you do? Just interested, that's all.

[Retro Rocket]

Of course race tires are as hard as all others, you never bought a "sticky" because you don't want to stick to the track, at all.

 Geeze, dude, yer off to the races all right. Wow.

Now you've really lost the plot...  go back and read it again. Somewhere on their site it states that they can not be used with race tyres because they are softer on the inside....
This post makes no sense at all....Whats your point..!!!!!!!!!!

Mick

[SiliconDoc]

It's all about the Yen.

Aussie guy wants us to explain in the USA here how some car company can't fire more Union workers who stand there ( if they even do, if a machine doesn't do it 100%) and slap a lead weight on a tire and wheel all day, when they're not at the Union make work "workshop" getting paid to not show up or play cards or just show up for the free lunch. LOL
 Gee, that's right, the UNION controls that, and you know who controls it all ever the more.
I suspect a GM has a machine that slaps the weights on, and has for sometime, and if it doesn't that's too bad...
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It's not like we're talking retail here.

[Retro Rocket]

This thread could go forever. It reminds me of the age old question which is the best oil to run? I run Castrol 10w40. Wonder if their is some scientific reason or equasion that explains why I should or shouldn't do this?

Its easy now, Read that and tell me what you think...

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/LowProfileTires.pdf

 That gives me NO confidence it their product at all.

Mick

[SiliconDoc]

k, so did scooping and rebeading just come up to spinning and lead weighting time ? How about the filter cost ? how about when you get any tire in for any service work, you now have to break the bead, get her all tippy on your machine, then put your cscooper in, and WEIGH to make sure the proper amount of beads for that tire are present ... ? Gonna pay for that, too ?

And you know what I'm saying about lawyers and legal costs, the legal costs are also a cost factor and therrfore are another reason against your idea that they could not possibly not implement if they actually worked.
So asking if I don't like them suddenly and playing ignorant, means you conceded that point entirely.

Soap wipes up with a rag, the beads do not, they go eeverywhere, and tiny ceramic beads in a motor - yikes... does soap rolling 100 feet across the shop floor and scatter in the thousands in every direction ?
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Thats all bull#$%* once again, never fitted a tyre eh. I looked at the size of the beads for bikes and they are that small that it would be just as easy to slip on dust or like i said a screw or nut and bolt. Scooping out the beads would take a tenth of the time it takes to balance a wheel , if you had done it you would know what i am talking about. Sounds like you know some clumsy mechanics mate and also the tyre machine in our shops was absolutely no where near the mechanical side of the business,so all you are doing is adding hypothetical nonsense to justify what you are trying to say. You service your tyres as well eh, please elaborate, you see i didn't just come down in the last shower and i can tell you as fact that bugger all people "service" their tyres....thats quite funny.....
Soap wipes up with a rag eh, another fallacy, you need water and rag to clean it up otherwise it leaves residue that is still slipery and if you are going to all that trouble to clean upthe soap may as well just sweep up the little balls as well....kinda makes sense,doesn't it. Anyway read my second last and last posts, there is no warranty guarentee and a warning about using those beads if you corner hard or accelerate harder than highway speeds.......Most people wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole after reading that...

Mick

Dude, not have I only changed tires, I've even changed motorcycle tires by hand, run Hobby Stock race cars, and changed multiple engines by myself, and rebuilt a couple. I've run $40,000 engine analyzers. I've changed head gaskets and everything else short of frames, and besides all that, what kind of moron hasn't walked through a Farm & Fleet shop, or one of dozens local service stations...and talked to the guys as they're changing your tires for you ?

Bad try, smarty.

[Retro Rocket]

Aussie guy wants us to explain in the USA here how some car company can't fire more Union workers who stand there ( if they even do, if a machine doesn't do it 100%) and slap a lead weight on a tire and wheel all day, when they're not at the Union make work "workshop" getting paid to not show up or play cards or just show up for the free lunch. LOL
 Gee, that's right, the UNION controls that, and you know who controls it all ever the more.
I suspect a GM has a machine that slaps the weights on, and has for sometime, and if it doesn't that's too bad...
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It's not like we're talking retail here.

Patronizing now eh, this not a political thread and there is innovation in the motor industry almost daily and this is passed down to the consumer in almost every new model. Now it looks like you are trying your hardest to dumb things down just to justify your point but its laughable. Most of the innovations in our bikes and cars are a direct result of technology developed for motor racing, this is a fact also these beads are NOT to be used for racing or harder than "highway" use so as far as i and many others are concerned these will never make it into their or my bikes. Did you even bother to look at what that PDF file says.?

Mick

[SiliconDoc]

" Anyway read my second last and last posts, there is no warranty guarentee and a warning about using those beads if you corner hard or accelerate harder than highway speeds.......Most people wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole after reading that...

Mick"

Now that's actually fine, or ok information, as what I've been saying all along, the whole thread, actually agrees with that. ( well the first part - not the dissing on anyone who tries them ) Maybe the people that try them aren't screaming, raging , tire smoking motorheading freaks that make a point about "safety". ( Or rather try to )
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If you're screeching around insane on a bike, please see the helmet thread. If you already have please reread your post about how you always wear a helmet, because you're a safe person, then compare and contrast to ripping and screeching around at highway speeds and ramming tilted into insane corners.

Thank you.

[SiliconDoc]

SiliconDoc, I would like to know more about you. Any pictures of your bike? What kind of work do you do? Just interested, that's all.

Those are my chics there, and I spend most my time banging them.

Glad you asked.

[Retro Rocket]

Dude, not have I only changed tires, I've even changed motorcycle tires by hand, run Hobby Stock race cars, and changed multiple engines by myself, and rebuilt a couple. I've run $40,000 engine analyzers. I've changed head cgaskets, and besides all that, what kind of moron hasn't walked through a Farm & Fleet shop, or one of dozens local service stations...and talked to the guys as they're changing your tires for you ?

Bad try, smarty. Grin

Evaded the points i have made nicely, Give me your "expert" opinion on what their own site says..

If all you are going to do is dribble rubbish i'll wait for a more reasonable reply.

Mick

[SiliconDoc]

Of course race tires are as hard as all others, you never bought a "sticky" because you don't want to stick to the track, at all.

 Geeze, dude, yer off to the races all right. Wow.

Now you've really lost the plot...  go back and read it again. Somewhere on their site it states that they can not be used with race tyres because they are softer on the inside....
This post makes no sense at all....Whats your point..!!!!!!!!!!

Mick

You claimed you ran to your storage and checked yer racey tire and it's just as hard as a regular, so "they're LYING!"... that's what you claimed...and that's what I responded to, it's called SARCASM.


I already touched upon why soft sticky tires won't work as well.
The beads cannot distribute as easily, are distorted and moved more by the mushing tire, and I had another rounder with mr pre physics that claimed they never move inside the tire once spun up, but he's wrong, and as you see, the person whom has been right all along, me, knew that race-like forces would not be good for these, and mentioned it a lot more than once.

Whateva!

[Retro Rocket]

 

If you're screeching around insane on a bike, please see the helmet thread. If you already have please reread your post about how you always wear a helmet, because you're a safe person, then compare and contrast to ripping and screeching around at highway speeds and ramming tilted into insane corners.

Thank you.

Now your a saint as well, ever hear of track days?, there are a hell of a lot of guys here that do that as well, besides i have been riding for well over 30 years and have had one accident and i was hit from behind in the rain and left for dead. These beads are completely un proven and can't be used if you corner hard..!!   Last time i rode it was pretty easy to corner hard at 60 mph and still be riding to the letter of the law, why don't you stop trying to discredit me and read their own facts, these alone don't inspire confidence. They aren't an alternative only a band aid solution as they only work some of the time if at all based on "others" experience and i think its good to let people know of their limitations.

Mick

[Retro Rocket]

You claimed you ran to your storage and checked yer racey tire and it's just as hard as a regular, so "they're LYING!"... that's what you claimed...and that's what I responded to, it's called SARCASM.

I never said they lied, i just said what i read and also the pdf i posted backs this up....again ...whats your point....

Have a nice day mate..

Mick

[1974CB750rider]

Hey I own a almost 36 y/o motorcycle and use the beads. I've been riding for 30years as well. I also know my limits and my machines limits. I occasionley twist the throttle up to 110mph or so but mostly just ride for fun and pleasure and not out trying to prove anything, considering just about any modern crotch rocket is far more stable and faster than a lot of our beloved stoneage bikes. As far as the helmet goes, if that makes me a wimp or quote "safe", then I will continue to be a wimp. I like my brain in my head and not on the asphault.

[Retro Rocket]

Hey I own a almost 36 y/o motorcycle and use the beads. I've been riding for 30years as well. I also know my limits and my machines limits. I occasionley twist the throttle up to 110mph or so but mostly just ride for fun and pleasure and not out trying to prove anything, considering just about any modern crotch rocket is far more stable and faster than a lot of our beloved stoneage bikes. As far as the helmet goes, if that makes me a wimp or quote "safe", then I will continue to be a wimp. I like my brain in my head and not on the asphault.

I couldn't agree more, and just because i may ride faster in the outback on our long and boring highways doesn't mean i'm not safe either. I always buy excellent helmets, price is no option, i ended up having a liver transplant because some A-hole wiped me out and left me to die in the bush so i know all about self preservation. I still ride reasonably hard and the company that makes the beads {remember the original topic} recommend that they not be used for "hard" riding. That's why i'll never use them. I was skeptical in the start but after reading about them all morning i will not be trying them in my bike.

Mick

[SiliconDoc]

Aussie guy wants us to explain in the USA here how some car company can't fire more Union workers who stand there ( if they even do, if a machine doesn't do it 100%) and slap a lead weight on a tire and wheel all day, when they're not at the Union make work "workshop" getting paid to not show up or play cards or just show up for the free lunch. LOL
 Gee, that's right, the UNION controls that, and you know who controls it all ever the more.
I suspect a GM has a machine that slaps the weights on, and has for sometime, and if it doesn't that's too bad...
--
It's not like we're talking retail here.

Patronizing now eh, this not a political thread and there is innovation in the motor industry almost daily and this is passed down to the consumer in almost every new model. Now it looks like you are trying your hardest to dumb things down just to justify your point but its laughable. Most of the innovations in our bikes and cars are a direct result of technology developed for motor racing, this is a fact also these beads are NOT to be used for racing or harder than "highway" use so as far as i and many others are concerned these will never make it into their or my bikes. Did you even bother to look at what that PDF file says.?

Mick

Mick, you replied to a post I made to another person before you posted the PDF file and asked me to tell you what I think. Not only that, you - even though I never mentioned it or repsonded to you about the PDF file and what I thought about it after reading it, ASSUMED I had already answered you on it, then proceeded to tell me about it, as if I had EVER argued against what you said concerning it, which of course, I have not, but may, and reserve the right to do so, in the future.
So Mick, you're practially into outer space.
Now, about you claiming I made it politics, no, that of course was not the point, the point was, the car industry doesn't just implement what Mick thinks it should, because Mick says it could save them money.

So Mick, I've made a half dozen or more points on how they could LOSE MONEY implementing the beads, that NEVER crossed your e-CEO insta-fudiciary analyst mind. Gee, I wonder how that happened. Point was the UNION is a bulwark against changes, or can be - etc.

Now, you want me to read a pdf... ok.

[SiliconDoc]

Dude, not have I only changed tires, I've even changed motorcycle tires by hand, run Hobby Stock race cars, and changed multiple engines by myself, and rebuilt a couple. I've run $40,000 engine analyzers. I've changed head cgaskets, and besides all that, what kind of moron hasn't walked through a Farm & Fleet shop, or one of dozens local service stations...and talked to the guys as they're changing your tires for you ?

Bad try, smarty. Grin

Evaded the points i have made nicely, Give me your "expert" opinion on what their own site says..

If all you are going to do is dribble rubbish i'll wait for a more reasonable reply.

Mick

Oh, what was your point, or your question, or what do want now ?

[SiliconDoc]

If you're screeching around insane on a bike, please see the helmet thread. If you already have please reread your post about how you always wear a helmet, because you're a safe person, then compare and contrast to ripping and screeching around at highway speeds and ramming tilted into insane corners.

Thank you.

Now your a saint as well, ever hear of track days?, there are a hell of a lot of guys here that do that as well, besides i have been riding for well over 30 years and have had one accident and i was hit from behind in the rain and left for dead. These beads are completely un proven and can't be used if you corner hard..!!   Last time i rode it was pretty easy to corner hard at 60 mph and still be riding to the letter of the law, why don't you stop trying to discredit me and read their own facts, these alone don't inspire confidence. They aren't an alternative only a band aid solution as they only work some of the time and i think its good to let people know of their limitations.

Mick

Can't be used if you corner hard- BS ! They certainly can be used, but they don't work anyway AT ALL according to you the whole thread, so why do you care ?

Ya think maybe the point, for you and the fella responding after you is, IF YOU AREN'T A RAGING FREAK MOTORHEAD, THEY WILL WORK JUST FINE?
 
There, now try not to take it personal, and try not to post again anyone trying them is a G-darn doofus and is stupid, because maybe they aren't a raging twisterized freakazoid, so they actually can use them....

I think you might be able to understand that.

Now you can scream whomever isn't a racer tracker or whatever, and a twistie, and a cafe non curber, is "lame", and by golly you'd never risk your own life with something so stupid as "beads". TYhen you can peel off at 105mph with "your neccassary helmet on", the vindicated master of logic.

( YES, I did notice Mick, your nic for 750 is "Retro Rocket" so that's not exactly granny riding.)