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Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« on: June 10, 2009, 08:02:12 PM »
Im in the market and have found a few but not sure which years are the better years to go with or if that even makes a difference? One is a 1973, second is a 1976 and the third is a 1985. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 08:07:36 PM »
Short answer: '76

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 08:09:37 PM »
Thanks for the response.....If you dont mind me asking why is that the best year? Also what would be the next best?

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 08:22:23 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Honda didn't make a 550 in '85. The CB550 was made between 1974 and 1978 and the Nighthawk 550 was made in 1983-1984 (1984 was only in Canada).

The CB550 and the Nighthawk 550 (if that's what the '85 really is) are very different bikes. The CB550 has the classic looks and feel. The Nighthawk is much more modern and low-maintenance. It has a hydraulic clutch, shaft drive, hydraulic valve tappets, electronic ignition, plastic non-adjustible floats, etc. The Nighthawk weighs just a few more pounds than the CB550, but it has quite a bit more power (65hp vs. 50hp), and a higher stance, longer fork tubes, and different handlebars for more of a cruiser-like appearance.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 08:25:24 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Honda didn't make a 550 in '85. The CB550 was made between 1974 and 1978 and the Nighthawk 550 was made in 1983-1984 (1984 was only in Canada).

The CB550 and the Nighthawk 550 (if that's what the '85 really is) are very different bikes. The CB550 has the classic looks and feel. The Nighthawk is much more modern and low-maintenance. It has a hydraulic clutch, shaft drive, hydraulic valve tappets, electronic ignition, plastic non-adjustible floats, etc. The Nighthawk weighs just a few more pounds than the CB550, but it has quite a bit more power (65hp vs. 50hp), and a higher stance, longer fork tubes, and different handlebars for more of a cruiser-like appearance.

I thought the 550 was closer to 40 hp stock.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2009, 08:30:32 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Honda didn't make a 550 in '85. The CB550 was made between 1974 and 1978 and the Nighthawk 550 was made in 1983-1984 (1984 was only in Canada).

The CB550 and the Nighthawk 550 (if that's what the '85 really is) are very different bikes. The CB550 has the classic looks and feel. The Nighthawk is much more modern and low-maintenance. It has a hydraulic clutch, shaft drive, hydraulic valve tappets, electronic ignition, plastic non-adjustible floats, etc. The Nighthawk weighs just a few more pounds than the CB550, but it has quite a bit more power (65hp vs. 50hp), and a higher stance, longer fork tubes, and different handlebars for more of a cruiser-like appearance.

Im sure you are right. This guy must have posted it wrong as he stated it to be a 1985 CB550.

If was going to go with a Cafe Racer style Im assuming I may be better off with the 70's CB than correct? Now which years are better?

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 08:31:58 PM »
85?  Wasn't that a 700 Nighthawk or something?  I'd love to own one of them.  DOHC makes more power than our SOHCs.  Unfortunately, they just don't look like "classics", as they don't have the chrome and such that our older SOHC bikes have.

Personally, I think the 77 and 78 K models are the best years for the CB550.

The later F models are similar to the prior model years with the exception of the beautiful 4->1 exhaust from the factory, and the kickstart arm and footpeg changes that the 4->1 exhaust required.

Through re-jetting and cleaning my carbs, I really learned to appreciate the more refined carburetors on the 77-78 K models.

Otherwise, aftermarket support seems to have been better for the earlier years.  Seat covers are available from Travelcade, but you have to order them directly from Saddlemen, because, for some reason, none of the catalog shops (JCWhitney, Dennis Kirk, etc.) seem to list the seat covers for the 77 or 78 K (they are slightly different both from each other and the earlier models).  These seat covers are EXCELLENT and will last many years - much longer than an OEM replacement seat, if you can even find an OEM seat anymore.

Side covers are nearly impossible to find for the 77 and 78 K models, so make sure you get them with your purchase or are prepared to go hunting for them.  I think Meier still makes them for the earlier models and the F models.

The clutch mechanism was refined and improved over the years, with 77 and 78 having the least problems and requiring the least "fiddling".

Engine refinements reached their pinnacle in the 77 models with the much-improved rocker arm shaft design.

77-78 K models also incorporated an automatic fast-idle cam that raises the idle when the choke is engaged, so no more fiddling with the throttle stop screw was required.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 08:32:38 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Honda didn't make a 550 in '85. The CB550 was made between 1974 and 1978 and the Nighthawk 550 was made in 1983-1984 (1984 was only in Canada).

The CB550 and the Nighthawk 550 (if that's what the '85 really is) are very different bikes. The CB550 has the classic looks and feel. The Nighthawk is much more modern and low-maintenance. It has a hydraulic clutch, shaft drive, hydraulic valve tappets, electronic ignition, plastic non-adjustible floats, etc. The Nighthawk weighs just a few more pounds than the CB550, but it has quite a bit more power (65hp vs. 50hp), and a higher stance, longer fork tubes, and different handlebars for more of a cruiser-like appearance.

I thought the 550 was closer to 40 hp stock.

I definetly prefer the 1974 paint scheme.

Im going to repaint the entire bike so the paint scheme isnt an issue for me.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2009, 08:35:57 PM »
This is a picture of the bike the guy sent me....not the greatest but looks pretty clean. Could you guys tell me by looking at the picture what model this is?

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2009, 08:47:44 PM »
85?  Wasn't that a 700 Nighthawk or something?

There was a Nighthawk 700 in '85, along with a 650. There was a 750 in Canada and at some point the Nighthawk line was reduced to just the 750.

The Wikipedia article lists 50 brake horsepower for the CB550, it would be more like 40 at the rear wheel.

The pictured bike appears to have dual overhead cams, but the side covers don't look like the Nighthawk 550's. The tank doesn't look like any Nighthawk, and the rims look like Comstars.

I wouldn't bother with that bike - with all of the spray paint, stickers, and hacked-up work, and other stupid **** done to it, it'd be a nightmare to make presentable again, and you'd be in a lot of trouble if something mechanical was wrong - who knows what parts were used where.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 08:51:15 PM »
For reference:

'85 Nighthawk 650:



'85 Nighthawk 700s:



If I'm wrong about it being a DOHC, it could almost be a pre-Nighthawk 650, like this '82:


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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2009, 09:07:21 PM »
85?  Wasn't that a 700 Nighthawk or something?

There was a Nighthawk 700 in '85, along with a 650. There was a 750 in Canada and at some point the Nighthawk line was reduced to just the 750.

The Wikipedia article lists 50 brake horsepower for the CB550, it would be more like 40 at the rear wheel.

The pictured bike appears to have dual overhead cams, but the side covers don't look like the Nighthawk 550's. The tank doesn't look like any Nighthawk, and the rims look like Comstars.

I wouldn't bother with that bike - with all of the spray paint, stickers, and hacked-up work, and other stupid **** done to it, it'd be a nightmare to make presentable again, and you'd be in a lot of trouble if something mechanical was wrong - who knows what parts were used where.


You do have a point. Ill probably pass on this and see what other 70's CB's I can find. Thanks for your advice.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 08:06:24 AM »
FTR, I am enjoying my 76 550k despite my carb and ignition issues so far. My Dad had a Nighthawk 700s a few years back, and that thing absolutely ripped! I loved that bike. It would drag your butt off the seat if you weren't careful, and it still got 45 mpg when babied. The maintenance was much easier/less frequent too. Not to mention it would cruise all day at 70-80; something the 70's 550's won't do.

Things I am not fond of with my 550 are: frequent maintenance schedule (seems like something needs tweaked every few hundred miles) pretty much a 60mph and under bike (you can forget passing in tight spaces above 60), kinda unrefined, doesn't like to corner at speeds with out a little head shake, weak brakes, and shocks that remind me of, well... just about any 70's era bike, and the tranny is only a 5 speed. I don't know of any 70's 6 speeds out there, but I always want to grab one more gear.

Things I really like about the 550 are: Fuel economy, tons of fun in the 30-50 mph range, will start every time, even when only on 2 cylinders  ;D ;D ;D, relatively easy to work on, parts are pretty cheap, not enough power or brakes to go through a set of tires every season :P and great vintage looks compared to many other same era Jap bikes.

All that said, my next bike will definitely be an 80's 'Hawk. Better suspenders, 6 gears, hydraulics, better seating position, more power, less work...

Meanwhile, my buddy is trying to coax me into buying his old shovel head.  :D Right...

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Thanks Paul that was great info.....Are these really 60 and under bikes? If thats the case Im going to have to tweek the motor out which I really didnt want to do. :(

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 08:14:40 AM »
...I don't know of any 70's 6 speeds out there...

Just to fill in a bit of knowledge, hehe.  RDs have a 6-speed transmission. 

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 08:36:21 AM »
Wouldn't touch the 85 CB550 unless it has full service history (yes, there was one)
 similar motor to the 700 but smaller.
 If you don't change the oil at regular intervals it will mess up the hydraulic tappets (same as 700/750's do)
I've also done a few 750 DOHC/Nighthawk motors where big ends failed because of 'dirty' oil (stuff the early 550 wouldn't care about)

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2009, 08:37:26 AM »
I was looking around on line and started to do a search for 85 Nighthawks 550's and stumbled upon this picture......Looking at the motor and the side covers and tank it looks pretty similiar to the picture I posted before.

If that is the case is this a good bike to convert into a Cafe Racer?
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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2009, 08:41:17 AM »
Wouldn't touch the 85 CB550 unless it has full service history (yes, there was one)
 similar motor to the 700 but smaller.
 If you don't change the oil at regular intervals it will mess up the hydraulic tappets (same as 700/750's do)
I've also done a few 750 DOHC/Nighthawk motors where big ends failed because of 'dirty' oil (stuff the early 550 wouldn't care about)

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PJ,

So there was a CB550 in 85 too? So basically its more of a headache to own one? This guy has no history on the bike and its been sitting for about a year. He's not even sure if it runs.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2009, 09:45:56 AM »
Just two add my two cents, my stock '75 550F will cruise at 75 all day long, and I've got the sore butt to prove it.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2009, 10:26:20 AM »
If I'm not mistaken, cb360t's also have 6-speed transmissions.
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2009, 10:39:58 AM »
+1 on that bistromath. And they are just so darn pretty. Great proportions, great style. Maybe I'm lucky or don't know any better but I don't my '75 needs that much upkeep at all. And what there is I enjoy a lot.
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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2009, 01:09:20 PM »
Just two add my two cents, my stock '75 550F will cruise at 75 all day long, and I've got the sore butt to prove it.

Yes, yes.  All the stock 550s will do this and more routinely. (assumes the mechanic can keep the bike in good tune).

I speculate it's those modified 550s that can't keep up.  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2009, 01:39:44 PM »
My 74 CB550 will run 90/95 all day long as long as I can keep gas in it.  As for high speed handling, no problems when everything is up to snuff.  Know to see if I can get a nice 4 into 4 for it.  It even rides better two-up then my Goldwing at the moment, I need to rebuild the shocks and forks.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2009, 04:51:28 PM »
Wouldn't touch the 85 CB550 unless it has full service history (yes, there was one)

Really? Everything I've seen said the Nighthawk 550 was offered in the US in '83, and only in Canada in '84. Got a source?

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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2009, 04:52:34 PM »
FTR, I am enjoying my 76 550k despite my carb and ignition issues so far. My Dad had a Nighthawk 700s a few years back, and that thing absolutely ripped! I loved that bike. It would drag your butt off the seat if you weren't careful, and it still got 45 mpg when babied.

The 700cc Nighthawks are fantastic bikes, and if I'm not mistaken, actually faster than the later Nighthawk 750.

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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2009, 04:54:51 PM »
I was looking around on line and started to do a search for 85 Nighthawks 550's and stumbled upon this picture......Looking at the motor and the side covers and tank it looks pretty similiar to the picture I posted before.

If that is the case is this a good bike to convert into a Cafe Racer?

The tank in your picture looks nothing like the Nighthawk 550's tank. The Nighthawk's tank radically slopes out from the coils and back in towards the top - the tank in your pictured bike goes straight down.

It's not a good bike to convert to a Cafe - the lines are all wrong. It'd make a great bobber/chopper because of the tall, sloping tank and extremely long forks, but it doesn't really have the same shape as a Cafe.

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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2009, 06:07:42 PM »
Sorry, but there's something wrong with your 550, or with your riding, if it wont cruise at 80+ all day long without a problem.  Are you short-shifting it all the time?  The bike doesn't even make any power at all below 4000RPM.  Headshake also indicates a problem.  Perhaps your steering head bearings are maladjusted, fork oil all leaked out, or your fork tubes bent or something?  I replaced the crappy, worn-out stock rear shocks with Koni's and the thing handles like it is on rails.  Not quite as good as a modern sportbike, but definitely acceptable, and way better than most cruisers.

Oh, I forgot about one real shortcoming of all 1970's bikes:  the brakes pretty much suck.  There are various ways to improve them, but they fall short of modern bikes by a longshot.

I agree about wanting another gear with my 550, though.  Of course, when you are cruising around at 80+mph you do feel like the engine is revving a little bit much.  You get used to it, though.
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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2009, 10:52:23 AM »
I have to disagree about the 60mph and under for the 550s. My K3 will sit all day at a real 75mph - 80mph (75 on my satnav is about 85 on the speedo).

I am running 1 tooth more on the front sprocket which raises the gearing about 7% which makes all the difference for cruising at this sort of speed.

Mine does have electronic ignition and I had the ports "breathed on" by a Weslake head specialist so it may produce a few more horses than standard but not that many more.

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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2009, 12:28:55 PM »
I "hit the ton" on my 76 550 this past weekend and never had a worry.  I can't imagine that bike wanting to go slower than 75 on the highway.   It asks for it, begs really. 
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2009, 04:11:08 PM »
...I don't know of any 70's 6 speeds out there...

Just to fill in a bit of knowledge, hehe.  RDs have a 6-speed transmission. 

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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2009, 11:03:08 AM »
But man, what I'd do for some decent brakes!!!

Rebuild the caliper and replace the hoses with SS braided.

RE: the 700.
I also have a 700S. 10,500 red line.  It gains RPM so fast I cannot speed shift the trans fast enough to keep the engine in the power band.  I have to let off the throttle to get the next gear without over revving.  An amazing bike, really, even with 72000 miles on it.

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« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2009, 03:34:36 PM »
If you add a disc (who knows what will satisfy you, eh), then you should also get another master cylinder from a bike that has dual discs.

I could squall the front tire on my 74 Cb550 with a single disk.  (Only using one hand!)  The brake lever never gets to the grip.
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« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2009, 07:36:05 PM »
I like my 74 better than my 76. the 74 is now in project stage and the 76 will stay stock as long as I own. I am not sure why I liked it better, just the small things, I guess.

When my front brakes seem to fade, I occasionally take a DA sander to the rotor and knock the shine off.

They will both run 100, according to the speedo ::). 100 on my 550 seems like 180 on the zx10 I sold last winter, thats why I sold it.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2009, 08:00:25 PM »
If you add a disc (who knows what will satisfy you, eh), then you should also get another master cylinder from a bike that has dual discs.

I could squall the front tire on my 74 Cb550 with a single disk.  (Only using one hand!)  The brake lever never gets to the grip.

Well, looks like I'll just plan on getting SS lines and a rebuild for the master cylinder. If you can lock it up, then I'd say it works. In the meantime, I'll just use both hands... ;D

No, I can't lock it up.  That would make the front tire slide.  That would be bad, and cause much friction on other parts of the bike as they hit the asphalt.  I can make the old Continental on the front make some noise, though.  To me that's on the edge of losing traction, and about all the braking power I'd want up front.  I'm not so sure I could get a Metzler to squawk, with the newer rubber compounds.  But, I think it will still stop pretty darn well.  Never like a modern sport bike with wide rims and tires, though.  I've no interest is stoppies.  But, with the SS lines you definitely feel when the pads make rotor contact, and any extra hand squeezing makes the pads work harder, instead of making the old fatigued rubber hoses expand.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2009, 08:52:29 PM »
I have a line on a CB550F, year unknown, that has been sitting for many years.  I have not seen the bike yet and the only info I have is from the brother of the women who has it in her garage.  According to the brother it has the stock exhaust but the original tank leaked so it has a K tank on it, but the F tank is still there.  I am debating at this point about going for a look as I really don't have the space for another.  I may be more interested in passing it on to someone else. I hate to see bikes wasting away in garages.  What is a rough idea of the worth of a non-running 550F?  Anyone interested in pictures if I go take a look?
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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2009, 07:40:19 AM »
I have to disagree about the 60mph and under for the 550s.

I'm not saying they won't do it. I'm just saying I wouldn't plan on riding more than a couple hundred miles on my 550. If I planned on putting serious miles on my butt, I would just rather do it on something bigger than a 550. That's all.

That said, I can see this bike being a blast on the twisties. But man, what I'd do for some decent brakes!!!

All IMO of course.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2009, 08:54:09 AM »

FWIW... I'd like to add that I'm 6'8"...

I'm sure that impacts my opinion on what makes a good touring bike  ;D

Ouch. I'm 6'5" and I can baaaarely find pants that are long enough. And I'm already cramped on airplanes, buses, etc.

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2009, 10:50:11 AM »
Well thanks everyone who posted. I was looking around and decided I wanted to go with a 1977 CB550 since it was my birth year :p but with no luck and since I was itching to get one over that past weekend I jumped on a 1973 CB550 instead. Bikes a little beat up but I think its perfect for my Cafe Racer project.

Thanks again for everyones insight on things.

Great Forum!!!

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Re: Questions regarding the best years for the Honda CB550
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2009, 12:42:45 AM »
1973 would be a 500 unless it was a LATE 1973...as the 550 didn't coime out until the 1974 model year, which would have started around september 1973.

~Joe