Author Topic: Candy Gold Formulation (Read 17750 times)

6pkrunner · « **on:** November 09, 2005, 03:46:08 PM »

I've been through al the FAQs and chased different leads, but I need to know if anyone has a formula that's close to the Candy Gold used on the K1s and K2s? The painter wants to spray the tank and sidecases tomorrow and he left the paint mixer's place as he couldn't find an existing color he thought close. I know there are several links that will take a person to old paint codes and such, but I need one that is current and can be taken and made by a mixer tomorrow.

I sent him with several nice shots of differnt tanks to be scanned, but the shading and brightness changes in the pictures are varying enough to make it a best guess.

Help!

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #1 on:** November 09, 2005, 05:14:34 PM »

You might try dondirtbiker@excite.com, he sells paint kits for Hondas and from what I have seen/heard, his customers are quite satified.

6pkrunner · « **Reply #2 on:** November 09, 2005, 06:14:23 PM »

Hey Bob thanks for the heads up. Will do.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #3 on:** November 09, 2005, 06:21:46 PM »

Good idea Bob, the candy colors are in fact a transluscent color over a silver base, not a metallic solid color. Cheers, Terry.

cb350twin · « **Reply #4 on:** November 09, 2005, 11:06:53 PM »

Would this help? its from a K3

turtle · « **Reply #5 on:** November 09, 2005, 11:11:34 PM »

This probably isn't much help but here goes anyway.

http://www.motorcycleproject.com/motorcycle/text/lubrtech.html

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2005, 02:57:14 AM »

6pkrunner,

When you get it done, let us know which paint method you used and post some pics.

6pkrunner · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2005, 03:47:25 AM »

Well the painter is using the three part or three pack system. He laid on the gray primer a few nights ago and last night when I was visiting him he had the silver base on the tank and oil tank sidecase. The left case had some prior work done to it and when the silver hit it, the paint cracked and spidered something desparate. He was a tad miffed to say the least.
Anyway he wanted me to get the gold today so he could shoot it, but whith the electric cover's woes it may not be until tomorrow. I'll keep you posted.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2005, 05:52:18 AM »

The left cover was probably previously painted in enamel, and the acrylic thinner in the silver base-coat was what caused the chemical reaction. I've seen this happen many times with bikes and cars, your painter can buy an "Isolator" which he can spray over the old finish (once he sands it flat again) which will seal the media underneath the new paint. You just spray the isolator on, then the grey primer, silver basecoat and candy gold color, then a couple of coats of clear, and Bob's yer uncle! Cheers, Terry.

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2005, 05:54:38 AM »

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and Bob's yer uncle!

, don't get it.

turtle · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2005, 05:56:02 AM »

Raul CB750K1 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2005, 06:32:59 AM »

CB350twin, that sidecover is amazing!!! Where did you get the paint? I bought a set of sidecovers in gold colour, and though they are in nice shape, yours is simply perfect!!!

I will soon have my bike repainted, but I'm afraid the painter will just apply a metallic color.

Raul

dusterdude · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2005, 08:18:14 AM »

cb350twin,take that cover to your local ppg paint dealer and have him "brick" it,get him to print the formula for dbc base/clear and then post it here so we all can use it.

6pkrunner · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2005, 09:08:42 AM »

Well I just got back from spending almost an hour at the paint mixing shop. The guy who is painting the tank and cases went in yesterday and and didn't like the variations that they were offering him as solutions. He wanted me to make the call in case it all blew up and I hated the color.
Well the poor fellow at the mixer's scanned the existing color several times and kept getting the same result. The scanning program will try to break down the paint and give you the formula. Honda's candy gold isn't in any of the formula lookup tables. several close colors are suggested, but they have to be "adjusted" to suit. Meaning while they may be close, you still are going by gosh and by golly.
There is one new line out called Hot Hues that has two colors that are very very close. They use the metallic silver undercoat, the candy gold and then clear over top. The paint shop called them and they are going to tweak a color and send it to me.
Bottom line, the stuff isn't free by a long shot, but its so very very close. And it'll take 3 or 4 days to get here from the plant.
So maybe next week there will be some color. The guy who paints the tanks for me likes to let the base/color coat set for at least a week before applying the stripes. He then lets them set for two days before 1500 grit sand and clearing.

motorcycleclaude75 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2005, 10:23:49 AM »

Hey,

Good luck with the Candy Gold. I got my tank and side covers painted over last winter, but I never had an original cover or tank to match against.

The result looks good and I get many great comments on my bike but the colour doesn't match the original.

Candy colours are especially difficult since the number of coats over the base will determine the outcome, the colour will change with every coat.

Post your pictures when done and method used. Eventually I want to get mine redone.

cb350twin · « **Reply #15 on:** November 10, 2005, 07:26:09 PM »

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(I dont know if the quote thing worked or not)

CB350twin, that sidecover is amazing!!! Where did you get the paint? I bought a set of sidecovers in gold colour, and though they are in nice shape, yours is simply perfect!!!

I will soon have my bike repainted, but I'm afraid the painter will just apply a metallic color.

Thanks those are the orignal covers and paint from 1973

The paint came forn the dealer back in the 70s.(from my father) I opened it, it look blackish stuck a dip stick in it and it was like jello, but the little bit a paint that did come out on the dip stick was the same color as the side cover.

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cb350twin,take that cover to your local ppg paint dealer and have him "brick" it,get him to print the formula for dbc base/clear and then post it here so we all can use it.

what do you mean by ppg? and whats brick? and dbc?

dusterdude · « **Reply #16 on:** November 11, 2005, 06:03:57 AM »

ppg,is short for pittsburgh paints,they have an automotive division and a home division,so make sure you find an auto paint dealer.dbc is their premium basecoat/clearcoat paint system,very good stuff.

6pkrunner · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2005, 07:19:50 AM »

The metallic primer/basecoat/clear arrived yesterday from being ordered. The counter guy opened it up and I have got to tell you it looked like metallic mustard. I was quite floored. He assured me that with the silver primer and whatever agent (not reducer or hardener) is in bottle number three and applied in three base coats it will match the color I chose. Dropped it off to the guy painting the tank and he said the same thing. "Relax, it'll be fine." But seeing the color in the can was not too reassuring.
Anyway it's out of my hands now and its a few days to paint, a week or more to cure and apply stripes, two days for stripes to set and then 1200-1500 grit sand and clearcaot.

jaannaktin · « **Reply #18 on:** November 18, 2005, 08:31:05 AM »

"The paint on this bike is the correct Candy Ruby Red with the correct tank stripes. I purchased the correct paint from Don Deittrick in MI. As far as I know he is the only person who has the correct paint for these bikes. The paint on this bike turned out perfect. I painted the base coat and one coat of clear then installed the tank stripes followed by four coats of clear. You cannot feel the tank stripes in the paint"

This is a quote from an ebay restoration currently for sale (8,600$$ and climbing) -- I tried to google don deittrick without success. Maybe when the auction is up in a day or so, I'll try to contact the seller to see if there is a guy who has paint codes or good matches for the earlier color schemes?

Just a thought.

Jaan

6pkrunner · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2005, 10:00:05 AM »

jaan - there is a guy on egouge selling Honda paint kits and I do believe that this is the same guy. His kits are $90.00 USD. Lots of glowing praise. But paint is considered a hazardous material right now and international shipping is gone nuts for shipping it. Canned paint would probably double or more the cost. Aersol paint cannot be shipped across the border. I can more eaily ship weapons grade plutonium across the border than aersol paint.

The paint I got was within Canada and to ship it 1,000 miles was a $35.78 dangerous goods charge. Now that was for a pint of base, a pint of primer, and half a pint of some odd agent for the paint.
I didn't even want to ask about trying to ship across a border. That's why I chose the route I did for the Candy Gold. I'll try it. If it isn't what I'm looking for, I'll have to investigate getting one of his kits and biting the bullet for tryin to ship. But aersol cans will not[/b] be shipped across the border. Canned paint - we'll see.

The K4 is next and I want Flake (Sunrise) Orange on her. Th guy on eGouge is the only source I've seen so far. Anyone know of anyone else that can supply Flake (Sunrise) Orange?

*EDIT* The price for his kits on eGouge is $90.00. His eBay name is dondirtbiker. I'm going to ask about shipping to Canada.

Raul CB750K1 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2005, 11:25:46 AM »

When I was working in RS Components, the only restriction for hazardous materiasl (i.e. batteries, aerosol cans, solvents etc) was that they were not allowed to be shipped on air. They had to be shipped surface, but actually the cost was less though much slower.

Raul

6pkrunner · « **Reply #21 on:** November 19, 2005, 10:30:27 AM »

Got his reply from a question asking him if he shipped across the border.

SORRY ITS JUST TO MUCH TROUBLE TO SEND TO CANADA, WITH HEIGHTENED SECURITY MEASURES ITS A REAL PAIN.
I DO HAVE THE SUNRISE ORANGE THOUGH, WHISH I COULD HELP YOU.[/b][/size]

clarkjh · « **Reply #22 on:** November 19, 2005, 02:51:13 PM »

Time for a weekend vacation to the states,

James

Raul CB750K1 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 19, 2005, 03:11:29 PM »

Maybe it is easier if you just send him the parts to be painted...

Raul

6pkrunner · « **Reply #24 on:** November 19, 2005, 05:20:49 PM »

Nah, I've got a few tricks up my sleeve for getting the Sunrise Orange across. Just not through him. I'll get his paint and from there it'll fall off the radar.
The Candy Gold is/was/maybe close to what I found at the paintshop so I went with a factory altered version. We'll see (hopefully this week or at worst next).
The Sunrise Orange, I found nothing in any of the books remotely close to it. So I will have to get Don's paint by hook or by crook.

While smuggling is such a dirty word and I wouldn't want to have the paint confiscated at the border, there are always options.

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Author Topic: Candy Gold Formulation (Read 17750 times)

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