Author Topic: Health Care in England Question (Read 40278 times)

masonryman · « **Reply #550 on:** September 21, 2009, 05:15:46 AM »

I stating a point as it pertains to to one self is not argumentative it just facts.

I have read some of what you have posted, and it has some merit.

The only point I have ever tried to make is many of us are in a situation that we have nearly no control of and it is ruining our lives. I spend over $15,000 a year with premiums co-pays and deductibles and it is my only option short of changing careers.

It's great that some have it provided for them, but open your eyes and step out of the bubble, most don't have it so good.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #551 on:** September 21, 2009, 05:17:54 AM »

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Also, you assume that the government plan would have covered expenses in excess of $1 million, but we know that rationing is rampant in government-run plans.

Sorry ED but that's point blank BULL#$%*. I try not to get into this but you actually have no idea because you've never been there. I spent the best part of a year in hospital here in Brisbane and had experimental treatments, my specialist had to get authority through the federal government and the Irish government to get me onto a trial that saved my life, my transplant involved a method first used in France and i had 2 of the best transplant surgeons in the world do my transplant. My point is i was in hospital in a trauma ward and saw lots of people die of lots of different things, i even lost a good friend in there, i watched him take his last breath and i can assure you they did everything possible for all these poor bastards, not once stopping treatment because they were lost causes, they were all going to die anyway. I am getting real tired listening to you spread fear or trying to spread fear and confusion when you actually have no idea of the consequences of any of this as it hasn't even happened yet. Nothing anyone says is good enough for you and you spend way too much time trying to find fault with everything, and just to save you some time, ALL the medical systems in the world are faulted....nothing is perfect, all you are doing is speculating based on any bit of rubbish you can find to the negative, when in fact you really don't have a clue, and you won't until it is implemented. It will need future changes to smooth it all out but it IS going to happen so you may as well get used to it and look for something positive,and just prey that you never get a long running illness because if it stayed the way it is now you would soon find out all its short comings.

Bury this thread........

Mick

demon78 · « **Reply #552 on:** September 21, 2009, 05:43:52 AM »

Right On Mick 1+ all though why bother, Ed won't check his sources, so every thing he say's is Horse Puckies.
Bill the demon.

demon78 · « **Reply #553 on:** September 21, 2009, 05:45:02 AM »

By the way Micky Nice Parrot.
Bill the demon.

andy750 · « **Reply #554 on:** September 21, 2009, 06:00:55 AM »

+1 Mick. I gave up responding to Ed a while ago.

This thread is going nowhere and should be locked.

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #555 on:** September 21, 2009, 06:06:19 AM »

I've gotten a request to lock this thread. Here are my thoughts, I don't feel doing that on the basis of one request is appropriate. I would suggest rather those who don't wish to participate any longer; a) don't read/respond to it, b) use the ignore button if you feel there are specific posters you wish to, well, ignore.

Inigo Montoya · « **Reply #556 on:** September 21, 2009, 06:16:04 AM »

The insurance cost of health coverage is supposed to go up 166% in 10 years and there is nothing wrong?

Don't worry everyone. Sooner or later ed's job is going to decide that he can foot some of the bill for his coverage and then he might start to realize how bad this system is.

edbikerii · « **Reply #557 on:** September 21, 2009, 08:21:22 AM »

Sorry RR, but I didn't read past your first sentence. I have posted the proof OVER AND OVER about RATIONING under NHS.

Quote from: retro rocket on September 21, 2009, 05:17:54 AM

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Also, you assume that the government plan would have covered expenses in excess of $1 million, but we know that rationing is rampant in government-run plans.

Sorry ED but that's point blank BULL#$%*. I try not to get into this but you actually have no idea because you've never been there. I spent the best part of a year in hospital here in Brisbane and had experimental treatments, my specialist had to get authority through the federal government and the Irish government to get me onto a trial that saved my life, my transplant involved a method first used in France and i had 2 of the best transplant surgeons in the world do my transplant. My point is i was in hospital in a trauma ward and saw lots of people die of lots of different things, i even lost a good friend in there, i watched him take his last breath and i can assure you they did everything possible for all these poor bastards, not once stopping treatment because they were lost causes, they were all going to die anyway. I am getting real tired listening to you spread fear or trying to spread fear and confusion when you actually have no idea of the consequences of any of this as it hasn't even happened yet. Nothing anyone says is good enough for you and you spend way too much time trying to find fault with everything, and just to save you some time, ALL the medical systems in the world are faulted....nothing is perfect, all you are doing is speculating based on any bit of rubbish you can find to the negative, when in fact you really don't have a clue, and you won't until it is implemented. It will need future changes to smooth it all out but it IS going to happen so you may as well get used to it and look for something positive,and just prey that you never get a long running illness because if it stayed the way it is now you would soon find out all its short comings.

Bury this thread........

Mick

edbikerii · « **Reply #558 on:** September 21, 2009, 08:25:07 AM »

I don't recall ANYONE saying that nothing is wrong. I have proposed a possible solution, but you seem to be ignoring it. Is government takeover really the best you can come up with, because we've already seen that that hasn't solved the problems anywhere.

Also, the root of the problem is not the "cost of health coverage". The problem is the "cost of HEALTH CARE" that is rising so rapidly. That won't be solved by a government takeover.

In fact, I am footing the bill now, as my salary is lower due to my employer paying my insurance. I have also been an independent contractor, and I've run my own business and I've paid premiums for myself and my family. I am fully aware of the costs, and they are still better than the loss of freedom and high taxes from a full-blown government takeover.

Quote from: Inigo Montoya on September 21, 2009, 06:16:04 AM

The insurance cost of health coverage is supposed to go up 166% in 10 years and there is nothing wrong? Don't worry everyone. Sooner or later ed's job is going to decide that he can foot some of the bill for his coverage and then he might start to realize how bad this system is.

Inigo Montoya · « **Reply #559 on:** September 21, 2009, 08:31:01 AM »

Sure you are. wait till your wages do not go up AND you pay for the insurance. Think it wouldn't happen? That's what a lot of others thought too.

swiffer · « **Reply #560 on:** September 21, 2009, 08:49:03 AM »

I have not read any of the 23 pages so bear with me it is only my opinion as a American.As a guy that had my entire colon removed 6 years ago i am in the group that has the pre-existing condition.I have seen my rates go up 5 times what they were before the operation with a $15,000 deductible.The operation cured me and i have not been to the doc since.When i see the profits of the insurance companies exec,s that pisses me off.Not to mention the money spent by them for campaigns,and legal work to keep them in business.I am for a option but not mandatory just so the insurance companies at least know they have to try to be fair.I think it is out of our hands anyway.The house and senate have already made up their minds and we will find out what that is soon.All the protests and arguing is just a release valve for some now.I hope it stops getting ugly on both sides.Hope this thread was about America and not England.If not forget what i said.

edbikerii · « **Reply #561 on:** September 21, 2009, 08:52:35 AM »

The only difference is that the TAXES will go up and there is no accountability when government takes over. At least we have choice now, along with a system that 87% of Americans rate Excellent or Good.

But again, you have ignored the proposal I posted for cutting the healthcare costs AND the insurance premiums. Why? I'm not interested in bickering -- I've got some answers on the table.

Have you even bothered to read any of the suggestions?

Quote from: Inigo Montoya on September 21, 2009, 08:31:01 AM

Sure you are. wait till your wages do not go up AND you pay for the insurance. Think it wouldn't happen? That's what a lot of others thought too.

edbikerii · « **Reply #562 on:** September 21, 2009, 08:54:23 AM »

Dude, you better get yourself back to the docs. You are supposed to get checkups often because cancer has a way of coming back.

Many others have very different experiences than you with rising rates, including myself.

Quote from: swiffer on September 21, 2009, 08:49:03 AM

I have not read any of the 23 pages so bear with me it is only my opinion as a American.As a guy that had my entire colon removed 6 years ago i am in the group that has the pre-existing condition.I have seen my rates go up 5 times what they were before the operation with a $15,000 deductible.The operation cured me and i have not been to the doc since.When i see the profits of the insurance companies exec,s that pisses me off.Not to mention the money spent by them for campaigns,and legal work to keep them in business.I am for a option but not mandatory just so the insurance companies at least know they have to try to be fair.I think it is out of our hands anyway.The house and senate have already made up their minds and we will find out what that is soon.All the protests and arguing is just a release valve for some now.I hope it stops getting ugly on both sides.Hope this thread was about America and not England.If not forget what i said.

Inigo Montoya · « **Reply #563 on:** September 21, 2009, 08:56:16 AM »

I am not arguing options or proposals. I am saying what will almost certainly happen if nothing is done. Besides ed, not like any of our proposals will ever be even given a glance by the people that need to break things less.

edbikerii · « **Reply #564 on:** September 21, 2009, 09:00:01 AM »

Not true! Many people are now using the plan I posted, and the results are quite good. The patients tend to be happier, the costs are lower, everyone is better off. You should at least read it before you condemn or dismiss it.

Nobody is saying that "nothing should be done". Not me -- not anybody. However, it is neither necessary nor productive for government to take over health care. There are lots of other effective methods that can be employed to improve things, but once government gets its dirty hands on it, it all goes downhill - always.

Quote from: Inigo Montoya on September 21, 2009, 08:56:16 AM

I am not arguing options or proposals. I am saying what will almost certainly happen if nothing is done. Besides ed, not like any of our proposals will ever be even given a glance by the people that need to break things less.

Inigo Montoya · « **Reply #565 on:** September 21, 2009, 09:04:59 AM »

Well if people are already using it, then it is not your plan is it. So I can't dismiss something that is not yours.

edbikerii · « **Reply #566 on:** September 21, 2009, 09:06:25 AM »

I never said it was my plan. I just think it is a good one. Have you read it yet, or are you just trying to be argumentative?

Quote from: Inigo Montoya on September 21, 2009, 09:04:59 AM

Well if people are already using it, then it is not your plan is it. So I can't dismiss something that is not yours.

Inigo Montoya · « **Reply #567 on:** September 21, 2009, 09:19:27 AM »

I was not even bringing it up, you are, possibly to be argumentative. I was saying that if something does not change with your plan, you will be seeing what a lot of people have already seen. I suppose you could always move to that plan but then would your employer allow that? And if not and you decided to do it anyways, do you think they would pay you the wages equal to what they paid for your insurance? My guess on that would be no.

swiffer · « **Reply #568 on:** September 21, 2009, 09:23:52 AM »

Ed i did not have cancer yet.I had thousands of polyps that would have turned to cancer if i did not get the operation.I waited 14 years and in the end i was taking 23 pills a day for the condition so the cure was worse than the colon at that point.I guess it was a form of preventive medicine.I have felt fine since but i do get your point and i am going back to read your answers on other options just as soon as i sand the tank i am getting ready to paint.

SteveD CB500F · « **Reply #569 on:** September 21, 2009, 09:28:51 AM »

More complaints.

Sorry guys but this thread has run it's course. There are other places on the internet if you want to vent your spleen.

Anyone starting a new thread on this subject will be subject to a 30 day ban.

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Author Topic: Health Care in England Question (Read 40278 times)

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