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Re: Wintergreen oil_rubber renew test / peanut oil plastic renew test_pics
« Reply #125 on: February 11, 2011, 03:03:15 PM »
I may do the double-boiler set up next time.  Right now, according to the fire department (and my wife), there is no "next time!"   ;)

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Re: Wintergreen oil_rubber renew test / peanut oil plastic renew test_pics
« Reply #126 on: February 12, 2011, 04:14:38 AM »
From another thread:

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=76591.0

"Had no big worries about the flames near the xylene with this ziplock bag method either."

Are you crazy?

There is no reason at all to heat the stuff and it is extremely dangerous to put it on any heat source; it says so all over the can in great big letters for anyone to read.  You're lucky you didn't make the 6-O'clock news where the blond-haired chick giggles when she tells the world you burned your house down.

Like I posted,probably a half a cup full at the most, sprayed  inside a ziplock bag with the rubbers, and then immersed in hot water on a barbeque grille. There just isn't enough there to attract attention if something went wrong.

You've got enough btu's to fry a turkey or cook 40 dungie crabs real quick along with a gallon of xylene.

Probably more like what kong was picturing when I said I used  heat + xylene.
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Re: Wintergreen oil_rubber renew test / peanut oil plastic renew test_pics
« Reply #127 on: February 12, 2011, 04:34:30 AM »
Yep, my setup is alot better at my buddy's annual Thanksgiving Turkey Fry and my mom's annual Green Chili Cookoff than my once-in-a-lifetime Carb Bootapalooza!

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« Reply #128 on: February 12, 2011, 09:54:27 AM »
Just wanted to post and say I did some carb boots and they softened up a lot. I like this stuff!

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Re: Wintergreen oil_rubber renew test / peanut oil plastic renew test_pics
« Reply #129 on: February 12, 2011, 03:54:33 PM »
So, you've undoubtedly read about the restorative properties of a gallon of xylene mixed with 4-8 oz of wintergreen oil then simmered at 200 degrees to restore those old, brittle carb boots?!

I may have missed it but I didn't recall reading that you heat up the xylene mixture but you do heat the water mix. Could this be where you went wrong?
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« Reply #130 on: February 12, 2011, 05:14:20 PM »
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« Reply #131 on: February 12, 2011, 05:34:20 PM »
theofam: The Honda shop will sell you 4 new ones when you think about how long they last the cost is not bad. For a 78K order two #1 and two #3. The extra #1 will be used as #4 but turned upside down. Works perfect for another 33 years ;)

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Re: Wintergreen oil_rubber renew test / peanut oil plastic renew test_pics
« Reply #132 on: February 12, 2011, 08:57:41 PM »
 :D :o :D :o malcolmgb, holy crap!  I TOTALLY misread mystic's and jleather's posts on page 1 of this thread. You're right- wintergreen oil and water heated to 200 degrees is what they recommended. I guess, at this point, I'm lucky to not have made an early entry on 2011's Darwin Awards!

Bollingball, although post-fire my air cleaner-to-carb boots looked like this:


I think I can salvage my carb-to-intake boots!  In fact, other than some brittleness on the fire side/intake side, the carb sides are actually pliable again. So, can I sort of say it worked?! :D

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« Reply #133 on: August 10, 2013, 01:00:42 PM »
More before and afters with wintergreen oil.  Note that in the before I couldn't get the bottom of the rubber boot to budge despite applying enough pressure to whiten my thumb where I was grasping the boot.  In the first after picture you can see the rubber bending in that same area.

As others have stated, the baked, rock hard, dry engine side of the carb boot remained hard, though may have become slightly more flexible.  The carb side of the boot became pretty flexible.  These aren't flexible as new, but they are definitely flexible enough. 

If anyone is wondering, I used 4 oz of wintergreen oil, and enough water in the pot to cover the boots. 
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« Reply #134 on: August 10, 2013, 01:02:47 PM »
Here is my peanut oil before and after.  The before picture was taken after a soap and water wipe down.  I then applied the oil, gave it 5 minutes, and wiped it off. 

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Re: Wintergreen oil_rubber renew test / peanut oil plastic renew test_pics
« Reply #135 on: August 11, 2013, 10:38:35 PM »
Here is my peanut oil before and after.  The before picture was taken after a soap and water wipe down.  I then applied the oil, gave it 5 minutes, and wiped it off. 

Now I wonder: does this make squirrels follow your bike down the street? :D
I am thinking of doing this to mine, but we have a huge coyote problem here already, and I don't want to attract them even more...

I've also discovered that xylene + wintergreen oil will completely clean off the white aluminum oxide on the carb bodies that have been sitting outside for 20 years. I dropped one in my can of soaker and forgot it for 2 weeks. When I went to put some boots in the can, I discovered the forgotten carb body: it looks brand new! I was shocked, and have done 4 more since then. It takes a while, but not much labor, and they look amazingly new again. I have about 12 or 14 carb bodies from various sets of carbs I have been slowly rebuilding for my bike projects: now they will all have a great new look to them.
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Re: Wintergreen oil_rubber renew test / peanut oil plastic renew test_pics
« Reply #136 on: December 29, 2013, 05:40:11 PM »
I tested a 750 K0 inlet rubber by soaking  in Tri-Aryl phosphate ester (Reofos 50) at 70 degrees Centigrade (it is a plasticizer for Nitrile Rubber / PVC ). It softened up Ok - that was about 4 months ago. Will have to check its pliability again. It is still in the boot (trunk to non- 'Limeys'  ;D) of my car ! This plasticizer is flame retardant too.

http://www.greatlakes.com/deployedfiles/ChemturaV8/GreatLakes/Flame%20Retardants/FR%20Products/Reofos%2050%20TDS.pdf


http://www.chemtura.com/bu/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=40ff7d205ef99110VgnVCM10000053d7010aRCRD&vgnextchannel=b59f921646019110VgnVCM10000053d7010aRCRD&vgnextfmt=default

Well its over four years now and although not yet fitted to bike (long story don't ask!) they are still soft & supple.
Cheers AshD

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TREATED OVER FOUR YEARS AGO AND STILL SOFT AND SUPPLE.THIS STUFF IS USED IN THE RUBBER PROCESSING INDUSTRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Has anyone tried this too? why mess around with 'witches brews' when you can use the stuff designed for use in the rubber processing industry? just my 2 pence (cents) worth.

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Re: Wintergreen oil_rubber renew test / peanut oil plastic renew test_pics
« Reply #137 on: February 25, 2014, 11:25:35 PM »
Had some mixed results with the Wintergreen brew tonight. Reading through this thread again, I think I just was unlucky. Here's what happened:

I had 12 old hard carb insulators from my CBX project, plus the insulators off my 400F, plus two sets of airbox>carb boots and 2 plenum>airbox boots to do. So I got 4 ounces of the Wintergreen oil off Amazon, mixed it with a gallon of water, heated it to 175 or so on a hotplate in my shop in a non-stick pan, tossed the whole lot in. Saw the temp climb near 200, tapered off the heat for a bit, covered it and set a timer. 20 min later I went to stir the brew and have a look and here's the odd part: One entire set from the 400, of carb>airbox boots plus the larger plenum>airbox boot were beginning to fall apart, and so there was sticky goo floating around the pot getting all over the other parts. I halted right there, fished it all out, rinsed everything off and scrubbed off as much of the goo as I could.

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Look closely at the large ring under the bottle of Wintergreen - see how it looks a little frayed, like it's starting to break down? That's my culprit I'm certain, along with it's mates:



Heat it all up:



In the brew:



Turned to goo:





 >:(

Lesson learned? If the rubber is looking punky, cracked, frayed, proceed with caution, and treat these solo. The other stuff came out well, although I cut the treatment short to avert disaster. I am going to filter my brew through a coffee filter and try again without heat. But not tonight.

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« Reply #138 on: February 26, 2014, 03:33:11 AM »


Who's going to be the first to market the kit? A bottle of Wintergreen Oil, gallon of water, mama's old sauce pan, and a lighter - all for only $79.99 plus s+h.

The same people who marketed the Y2K survival kits....

edit:  but seriously, I like this rubber restore idea...

I will I will! Too funny. This is a great thread. I have seen others with one persons account and no "fail". I like to use DOT 2 brake fluid on rubber to soften it. Sometimes I will just make a new rubber part rather than fix a pasticised part though.

So who wants to buy a kit?

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« Reply #139 on: February 26, 2014, 03:34:33 AM »
Noblehops- I am sorry to see that. That's not the wife's bike is it?

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« Reply #140 on: February 26, 2014, 07:41:58 AM »
Noblehops- I am sorry to see that. That's not the wife's bike is it?

It was the parts from my wife's bike, but I had a spare set of the rubbers, so I'm still OK, it was just a bit of a pain in the butt to have one set go gooey like that.

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« Reply #141 on: February 26, 2014, 12:19:58 PM »
Good to see a revival of this thread as there is good info for newbies.  I use 4oz of wintergreen to a gallon of xylene in an old metal paint can.  No heat of course, I let the parts soak and check a couple times a day, when pliable I remove and let dry.  Takes longer when it is cold, like a couple days but it has always worked for me...Larry

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« Reply #142 on: February 26, 2014, 12:25:52 PM »
Good to see a revival of this thread as there is good info for newbies.  I use 4oz of wintergreen to a gallon of xylene in an old metal paint can.  No heat of course, I let the parts soak and check a couple times a day, when pliable I remove and let dry.  Takes longer when it is cold, like a couple days but it has always worked for me...Larry

I saved the brew, may try a cold soak with the other stuff. Seems a little safer and less likely to totally infuse my shop, nose and lungs with wintergreen, which I am not enjoying today.

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« Reply #143 on: February 26, 2014, 12:39:24 PM »
Looks exactly like my setup noblehops.  I always use it at whatever the ambient temperature is, just takes longer when it is chilly and I use it over and over-think the witches brew could be two years old by now.  If it fails the next time I need it, I'll mix it up anew...Larry

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« Reply #144 on: February 26, 2014, 02:14:27 PM »
What's the duration of staying soft looking like?

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« Reply #145 on: February 26, 2014, 02:23:31 PM »
What's the duration of staying soft looking like?

About 14 hours and counting in my case  ;)
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« Reply #146 on: February 26, 2014, 02:25:30 PM »
So they only stay pliable for a few hours?

What's the duration of staying soft looking like?

About 14 hours and counting in my case  ;)

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« Reply #147 on: February 26, 2014, 02:32:33 PM »
So they only stay pliable for a few hours?

Dude, I keeeed, I keeeed. I just did it, so I obviously have no idea first-hand how long it's going to stay pliable, but if you read the rest of this thread a few guys talked specifically about checking out the parts some time later and finding that they remained soft(er) and pliable for anything from months to years later if I remember correctly.

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« Reply #148 on: February 26, 2014, 02:35:09 PM »
Second time today I've needed a sarcasm font... I made it through 4 pages on my phone and didn't see an answer yet.

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« Reply #149 on: February 26, 2014, 02:48:09 PM »
Second time today I've needed a sarcasm font... I made it through 4 pages on my phone and didn't see an answer yet.