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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2010, 07:15:19 AM »


  Okay, we've seen HTs Rebel Machine

   


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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2010, 07:18:56 AM »
Lol what's wrong with taking a 4 banger and tuning it? My 2008 Mini Cooper S is tuned out the wazoo...280hp at the front wheels...AND 37mpg on the highway.

Kind of like half of a muscle car...with 4x the fuel mileage lol...and a helluva lot of torque steer hehehe

I'm with you Bill, I had an 89 Toyota Supra with a 95 Supra twin turbo motor and 6 speed in it...miss that car. Still have my 78 RX7 imported from japan right hand drive baby!

  Nothing at all, Things are being done different now and that's cool, just that for some, getting into an old car with performance, does it for them. That's all. Myself, I like the feel of my old 69' GTX and yet I still respect and enjoy the 85' Shelby Charger. ;) Might need to start a seperate thread for all of this, I've helped hijack this thread and sorry bout that. :)
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2010, 07:26:08 AM »
I agree it's been muddied over the years....is muddied a word?! Anyways I guess i've just always considered 60's and early 70's cars that had the big V8 motor packages in them muscle cars...regardless of whether they were 2 door, 4 door...whatever.

I would still LOVE to get a Ford Falcon with the 289 in it. My mom used to have a 66 I think it was...gorgeous car in the pictures i've seen but that was well before my time on this world...that and my dad had a Jag XKE red convertible that was absolutely stunning...sold it when my oldest sister was born...THANKS Meghan! That and selling his first Commando are the only two vehicles he regrets selling lol.
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2010, 07:36:03 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2010, 07:43:27 AM »
I agree it's been muddied over the years....is muddied a word?! Anyways I guess i've just always considered 60's and early 70's cars that had the big V8 motor packages in them muscle cars...regardless of whether they were 2 door, 4 door...whatever.

I would still LOVE to get a Ford Falcon with the 289 in it. My mom used to have a 66 I think it was...gorgeous car in the pictures i've seen but that was well before my time on this world...that and my dad had a Jag XKE red convertible that was absolutely stunning...sold it when my oldest sister was born...THANKS Meghan! That and selling his first Commando are the only two vehicles he regrets selling lol.

         Never forget when I saw the first Falcon Sprint myself! Really impressive (and the first Comet Cyclone, that a buddy got new)

   
   

       

    Here is a 64' Cyclone that is stock looking except for the hood.

     
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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2010, 07:44:13 AM »
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  Easy now Dennis, I'll be right back. ;)
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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2010, 07:53:15 AM »

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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2010, 09:19:14 AM »
Nice choice Bill!!!

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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2010, 09:44:32 AM »
Nice choice Bill!!!

BTW, do you ever check out forabiesonly.com ? the forum is decent and people seem pretty good over there too...

           Thank you and no, I haven't seen that one, but I will look into it. Thanks Dennis. 8) ;)
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2010, 09:53:59 AM »
Yeah this is what I am talking about!

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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2010, 10:01:10 AM »
Yeah this is what I am talking about!

          Very COOL indeed! 8) I can clearly identify with those two cars as well. One of my Brothers-In-Law, had a 280ZX for awhile, after he had a little Celica and now has a new Mustang.

          Thanks for posting them. ;)
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2010, 10:04:43 AM »
I tried to find a Zcar with sidepipes but couldnt. I saw one once, I remember it still and if I ever get a Z, it WILL get side pipes!

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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2010, 10:16:18 AM »
I tried to find a Zcar with sidepipes but couldnt. I saw one once, I remember it still and if I ever get a Z, it WILL get side pipes!

   I understand that. 8) Have you ever had any experience with a Zcar that had been converted to Chevy V-8 power? I'll bet those are something. I've only driven a Zcar once and it wasn't very far, it was a buddy from work and it ran pretty well itself. When he got it, the engine wasn't too good and I think he got the engine from a Maxima (don't quote me) and put in there, with some mods. Whatever that engine was out of, it was a good one! ;)
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2010, 10:31:51 AM »
Ah, muscle cars.  In 1968 I purchased a new Plymouth Road Runner.  Drove the snot out of it.  A friend of mine showed me a ad from Nickey Chevrolet in Chicago advertising the 427 Nova.  We were going to take the train from Detroit to Chicago to buy one.   Another friend showed up with his 69 BSA Lightning.  That was the end of muscle cars for me.  With a inexpensive and easy sprocket change a 500-750cc bike could give any muscle car a run for it money.  That's when the power to weight ratio came to light.  Never looked back.

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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2010, 10:38:08 AM »
So do you only like blondes? Not red heads or brunettes??? lol... just kidding. My point is all things that go fast are fun! I like bikes ALOT but cars are fun projects too. Cost is definitely a huge factor. I mean my CBR that weighs about 450lbs pushes out over 100BHP so having something with the same p/w ratio for me is next to impossible (unless I strike it rich!!)

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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2010, 10:44:01 AM »


   Speaking of Nickey Chevrolet makes ME think of the old ads from Grand Spaulding Dodge and how I wish I could have had the bucks to go pick up one of HIS cars. :-\ I had some magazines around here somewhere, that have some of those adds. 

   That 427 Nova would have been quite a package to "OPEN UP"! :o 8) ;)
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2010, 10:58:17 AM »
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why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?

Tell that to the local PD....

My camaro isn't a muscle car is it officer?... WHAT DO YOU MEAN I STILL GET A TICKET?!

All kidding aside the definition of a muscle car is a big arse engine shoved in a mid-size car (in other words a really overpowered beast created cause they could do it)... the early camaros had the option of a big block.  The pony cars are those with high HP small block engines (which are still nothing to sneeze at)  The following (quoted from wiki) would be the camaros I would designate "muscle cars"

1967-1969 L35 SS396 396 cu in (6.5 L) V8 325 hp (242 kW) @ 4800 rpm, 410 lb·ft (556 N·m) @ 3200 rpm
1967-1969 L78 SS396 396 cu in (6.5 L) V8 375 hp (280 kW) @ 5600 rpm, 415 lb·ft (563 N·m) @ 3600 rpm
1968-1969 L34 SS396 396 cu in (6.5 L) V8 350 hp (261 kW) @ 5200 rpm, 415 lb·ft (563 N·m) @ 3200 rpm
1968-1969 - L89 aluminum cylinder head option for the SS396/375 engine - lightened the engine by ~100 lb (45 kg).
1969 COPO 9561/L72 427 cu in (7 L) V8 425 hp (317 kW) @ 5600 rpm, 460 lb·ft (624 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
1969 COPO 9560/ZL1 427 cu in (7 L) V8 430 hp (321 kW) @ 5200 rpm, 450 lb·ft (610 N·m) @ 4400 rpm

Yeah I know yenko camaros aren't production but they still are muscle cars.

Chevy tried to turn them into sport coups when the muscle car era died out...thats how the pony cars got such a bad rap.  Shame on the 80's
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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2010, 11:16:32 AM »


 Seems like we can find all kinds of stuff to discuss on this matter, here is some more from wikipedia. This discussion could go on for ever, but, each has his (or her)  opinion and with this post, I am moving on to other things myself and trying to make it understood that I am in no way trying to argue with anyone and am concerned that this could end up with that problem. With that being said, here's my last post on it and I will nicely bow out of this one. ;)



       Defining the class

The 1964 Mustang provided the template for the new class of automobiles.[6][7] The term itself "was coined by Dennis Shattuck, who was editor of Car Life magazine" at the time.[8] The term "originates from the equestrian sounding Ford Mustang".[2]

Although the Mustang was based on the platform of the Falcon, it had a unique body (offered as a hardtop coupé and a convertible) with distinctive, "long hood, short deck" proportions. In basic form it was mechanically mundane, with a 170 cu in (2.8 L) six-cylinder engine coupled to a three-speed manual transmission. It carried an attractive base price of US$2,368 that included bucket seats, carpeting, floor shifter, sport steering wheel, and full wheel covers. The Mustang also had an extensive option list offering a range of V8 engines, Cruise-O-Matic automatic transmission or four-speed manual gearbox, radios, air conditioning, power steering, and other accessories.[9] A V8 Mustang with all available options would cost about 60% more than a basic model with a six-cylinder engine, which made it an extremely profitable model for Ford.[10]

The requirements for these two-door, four passenger capacity models were therefore set:[11][12]

    * Stylish and sporty styling that included "long hoods, short decks, and open mouths"
    * Assembled from "off-the-shelf" mass production components
    * Affordable base price (under $2,500 — in 1965 dollar value)
    * Wide range of options to individualize each car
    * Youth-oriented marketing and advertising.

While most of the pony cars offered more powerful engines and performance packages, enough to qualify some into muscle car territory, a substantial number were sold with six-cylinder engines or ordinary V8s.[13] For the most part, the high-performance models saw limited sales and were largely limited to drag racing, road racing, or racing homologation purposes.
[edit] Pony car competitors
1965 Plymouth Barracuda
1968 Chevrolet Camaro
1969 AMC Javelin

Despite the immediate success of the Mustang, many (including some within Ford) feared that the bubble would soon burst, and other manufacturers were relatively slow to respond. The first competitor was the Plymouth Barracuda, which actually went on sale on April 1, 1964, about two weeks before the Mustang.[14] The Barracuda was not a direct response to the Mustang, which had not yet debuted (although Chrysler was certainly aware of the upcoming model), but a low-cost way to expand the sporty appeal of the Valiant. Chrysler's precarious financial situation meant that the Barracuda was compromised, with insufficient distinction from the Valiant and styling that drew mixed reactions; its sales were a fraction of the Mustang's. It has been described that if the Barracuda was successful, as well as the similar fastback Rambler Tarpon introduced as planned before the Mustang,[1] the term for this class of automobile might have been "fish car," rather than "pony car."[2][15] However, the Mustang, unlike the Barracuda, featured a completely unique body style from the car on which it was based (the Ford Falcon), making it the first true pony car.[16]

Initially, General Motors believed that the restyled 1965 Corvair would be an adequate challenger for the Mustang, but when it became clear that the Corvair itself was doomed, the more conventional Chevrolet Camaro was introduced,[12] going on sale for the 1967 model year, at the time the Mustang received its first major redesign. They were presently joined by the Camaro-based Pontiac Firebird, the Mercury Cougar. "By 1967 the market was filled with pony cars ... however the 1968 AMC Javelin was not the last pony car to hit the showrooms—it was Dodge's 1970 Challenger", an enlarged version of the Barracuda.[17]

The pony car classification was applied to all versions of these nameplates, from the base economy models, as well as models with more equipment, features, or the "muscle" performance models.[18] The intention of these performance models and factory support in racing was on developing a competitive marketing image for their pony cars.[19] The automaker's marketing department's strategy was to promote a perception of these as "sports-type" muscle and performance to promote sales. The competition between the manufacturers was so fierce that the Trans-Am Series from 1966 to 1972 is described as "The Pony Car Wars".[20]

While sales were strong throughout the end of the 1960s, the greater value of the pony cars was in bringing buyers, particularly the crucial youth market, into the fold. In 1970 Car and Driver reported that while very few pony car drivers bought a second pony car, around 50% moved on to purchase another car of the same make. Nevertheless, even by 1969 sales were beginning to slide, dropping to 9% of the total market, from a peak of 13% in 1967.

The pony car was primarily an American phenomenon, but in 1969, with the continuing growth in this market segment Ford managers decided to introduce a European equivalent in the Ford Capri.[21] Sharing most of its underpinnings and some engines with an ordinary model, (the Ford Cortina), it had a combination of style and image very much in the spirit of the Mustang. The European Ford Capri (sold in the U.S. as a Mercury Capri through 1978 at Lincoln-Mercury dealerships) was last imported for the 1978 model year, and the nameplate was placed on a rebadged Fox-body Mustang through 1987.

The following is a list of muscle cars and their manufacturers (along with the pony car of the same company):
Manufacturer    Pony car    Muscle car
AMC    Javelin    AMX
Chevrolet    Camaro    Chevelle
Dodge    Challenger    Charger
Ford    Mustang    Torino
Mercury    Cougar    Montego
Oldsmobile    none    442
Plymouth    Barracuda    Road Runner
Pontiac    Firebird

         Straight from Wikipedia, for where ever they got their information ??? ;)
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2010, 11:43:32 AM »


  Okay, we've seen HTs Rebel Machine

   


   Anyone got (or know of) a Scrambler!


    Like this? Sorry about my picture sizes lately, can't find the "Resize" feature.

     

Technically that isn't my actual car. Mine's in storage waiting yet another restoration. I'll see about pics.

And that Rambler "Scrambler" is B-paint scheme. Here's an A-paint scheme. And by far the most recognizable. I'd love both versions of these cars too!!



See the difference? Lol I always wondered why they'd make a car so similar in color.

I would consider these cars "pony" cars as well. By far not very muscle. The Rebel Machine was $3175 with the A/C and "Patriot Color Paint" when my father bought it new in 1970. You could get an automatic and a solid color for less money but who wanted a slush box with a 390???
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2010, 01:05:33 PM »
So do you only like blondes? Not red heads or brunettes??? lol... just kidding. My point is all things that go fast are fun! I like bikes ALOT but cars are fun projects too. Cost is definitely a huge factor. I mean my CBR that weighs about 450lbs pushes out over 100BHP so having something with the same p/w ratio for me is next to impossible (unless I strike it rich!!)

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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2010, 01:38:44 PM »


  Okay, we've seen HTs Rebel Machine

   


   Anyone got (or know of) a Scrambler!


    Like this? Sorry about my picture sizes lately, can't find the "Resize" feature.

     

Technically that isn't my actual car. Mine's in storage waiting yet another restoration. I'll see about pics.

And that Rambler "Scrambler" is B-paint scheme. Here's an A-paint scheme. And by far the most recognizable. I'd love both versions of these cars too!!



See the difference? Lol I always wondered why they'd make a car so similar in color.

I would consider these cars "pony" cars as well. By far not very muscle. The Rebel Machine was $3175 with the A/C and "Patriot Color Paint" when my father bought it new in 1970. You could get an automatic and a solid color for less money but who wanted a slush box with a 390???

  HT, to be honest about it, the one I posted, was the first one I came to and I had never seen pone with THAT scheme before. I'd only seen one like you posted. Thanks for doing THAT!   I agree, with a 390 you'd definitely want a 4sp. ;) 
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2010, 01:51:47 PM »
So do you only like blondes? Not red heads or brunettes??? lol... just kidding. My point is all things that go fast are fun! I like bikes ALOT but cars are fun projects too. Cost is definitely a huge factor. I mean my CBR that weighs about 450lbs pushes out over 100BHP so having something with the same p/w ratio for me is next to impossible (unless I strike it rich!!)

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I like them all.  Still go to car shows.  Up to a couple of years ago belonged to a couple of car clubs.  My cruiser is a 77 Monte Carlo.  355ci.  350THM.  PS PB AC. Swivel buckets, AM FM w/8 track.  Drove it on the Michigan leg of the Hot Rod Power Tour last year.  We had 3 generations of family in the car.  Wife and I, daughter and 7 month old  grand daughter.  We go to Autorama in Detroit every year.  It gets in your blood and stays there.
You're right about the cost. 

           I can identify with going to car shows bit. I make everyone possible, that I know of. I've been cheated out of 2 shows over the last few years though. The "Hanging Dice" (cars, uptil the early 60's, I think (maybe the late 50's). Then there was a car club in Greenwood that had a show on the lst Saturday in April and a Truck club in Van Buren that had one later on in the year (summer). well, the Greenwood club disbanded early last year and the Truck club took over having the show in April, which stopped the one in the summer. Gonna have to find out what other ones there are in the area and get to them. There are several small ones. The usually have some big ones in Little Rock, but that's a 2 1/2 - 3 hr drive (depending on how I drive) AND then you have to find a parking spot and hope they have handicapped parking close enough for my Dad to walk. I took him last year and he enjoyed most all of them ( I DID manage to find out about a couple of small ones that were pretty good). 
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2010, 03:38:42 PM »
i guess i was just being persnickety about the terminology, i get that way sometimes  ;D the fastest car i've ever driven and owned was a 65' beetle with a 2332 motor, and a turbo drawing through a holley then a predator carb. i drove it to the track down at bradenton, ran very low 10's on M+H Racemasters then drove it home, all on pump (100 octane) gas. i guess i got aggravated when a source that really should know better (national geographic) than to use a general term put onto most any hot, fast, V-8. today i'm looking at this thread and wondered why i started it  :D  god i miss "barney" the 65 bug, named barney because it was barney the dinosaur purple on the body and the centers of the empi 5 spoke wheels.
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2010, 03:48:21 PM »
Dang Bucky, I thought my stock stroke 88mm bore bug was fast. I had a 65 ghia too.
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Re: why, oh why do people call mustangs and camaros muscle cars?
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2010, 03:54:43 PM »
i worked building motors and transaxles for Ken Fisher/Fisher buggies right around the time he moved from the original store on gandy blvd to the one just around the corner on s. lois. i fabbed up my own turbo system too, with a ceramic bearinged turbo from a 300zx. it was butt ugly but it was stupid fast too.
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