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HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« on: March 10, 2010, 11:56:49 PM »
It's been a while since I threw a grenade in here so thought I'd lob another one in. We've got some great builds going on in full view of everyone, with fantastic detail from the likes of Rob (Voxonda) and Howell but without wanting to sound miserable about it, it seems to be the same few people pushing the boat out and contributing with all their wonderful progress. The question is, would the forum as a whole benefit from opening the HiPo section out to include high performance modifications for ANY type of Honda motorcycle?

There's a lot of great stuff being done to DOHC honda 4's, twins of all types and gear driven cam Hondas that we're not getting to see here and we just might see something that can be re-applied to a SOHC bike in the end. Personally I think it'd be nice to see other Honda performance builds here too in addition to the SOHC variety and we may also get more of those wonderful people who want to thrill and delight the crowds with details of their unique tuning ideas and how they work out.

What say you people....SOHC only or all Hondas?
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 12:59:01 AM »
Why not all high performance honda's ?  I'm up for learning about all of the honda engines !!   ;D
 That way the HP forum wont be as stagnat. Way more topics to scratch our heads about !!  :D :D
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 09:58:49 AM »
Why not all high performance honda's ?  I'm up for learning about all of the honda engines !!   ;D
 That way the HP forum wont be as stagnat. Way more topics to scratch our heads about !!  :D :D
That's exactly my thinking too Blue17turbo...makes for more variety and we all know that's the spice of life  ;)
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 11:02:01 AM »
I say keep it SOHC, I think the problem is that most performance posts end up in the Project section, as they are part of larger project builds.  If this ends up going past SOHC motors the SOHC stuff will get lost here.  It might not be a bad idea to post a sticky at the top of links to other hipo builds on this forum that are not SOHC, but this section while small is full of great useful SOHC info.
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 11:08:59 AM »
I'll agree with MaaseyRacer. I'm definitely interested in any HiPo mods, but would prefer we keep this section sohc.

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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 11:49:51 AM »
My racebike's a SOHC...2.

I'll keep pics and build stuff out of this section and likely put it in 'other bikes' and/or 'off topic.'.

We don't want information to be too difficult to find when there's a ton of threads on DOHC's and twins mucking up the search function in here.
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 12:06:25 PM »
keep it sohc , there are plenty of other forums for other types of bike and while we lack quantity of bikes we do have some good quality ones . hopefully people will see them an want to build there own

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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 01:14:56 PM »
I say keep it SOHC, I think the problem is that most performance posts end up in the Project section, as they are part of larger project builds.  If this ends up going past SOHC motors the SOHC stuff will get lost here.  It might not be a bad idea to post a sticky at the top of links to other hipo builds on this forum that are not SOHC, but this section while small is full of great useful SOHC info.

 I see your point here. The thing that amazes me is the simple redundant questions that are always popping up in the forums.
  Doesn't anyone use the " SEARCH " engine ??  I think there should be a " NEWBIE " post to somewhat educate new members
on how to navigate and retrieve information simple and fast.  ;D
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 02:15:06 PM »
I see your point here. The thing that amazes me is the simple redundant questions that are always popping up in the forums.
Doesn't anyone use the " SEARCH " engine ??  I think there should be a " NEWBIE " post to somewhat educate new members
on how to navigate and retrieve information simple and fast.  ;D

I know how you feel.  At the same time there are so many posts on this site and information is often buried deep in the posts.  Sometimes I feel like an index of the information is needed.

Also good information can also be lost in the numerous posts about "what did you do today" and "what color is the sky where you are" if you know what I mean and not to point fingers at any one.

When I start getting somewhere with my performance mods I will start a thread in this category, but so far I have just been working on weight and handling. Also in the bikes section you can see my 15.4lbs. wheels I just put on my 350F.  I still have much more to build up.

P.S. Not to make a scene, but there are times I wish there were separate 350/400,500/550/650,750 sections.  Lumping it all together can make things hard to dig through at times.

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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 02:20:12 PM »
Unless we could syart and then maintain some kind of INDEX for all there is now....stay with SOHC only.


How about someone else starting a DOHC Aircooled site? Not me mind you, but someone who has a lot of time on their hands.


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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 03:45:47 PM »
Hi gang.I am an avid fan and and low level contributor to this site and the excellent 750/900/1100 DOHC site and my vote would be to keep this site exclusive.Twin cam air cooled nirvana is just a couple clicks away.     Rock On
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 07:24:58 PM »
Unless we could syart and then maintain some kind of INDEX for all there is now....stay with SOHC only.


How about someone else starting a DOHC Aircooled site? Not me mind you, but someone who has a lot of time on their hands.


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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 07:46:12 PM »
Unless we could syart and then maintain some kind of INDEX for all there is now....stay with SOHC only.


How about someone else starting a DOHC Aircooled site? Not me mind you, but someone who has a lot of time on their hands.


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I agree, stay with the SOHC here.  The waters can be muddied quite a bit if you start bringing in the other motors.  I say create a new listing underneath this one and keep it separate.
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 09:47:40 PM »
The dohc Honda site does a very good job of performance mods for those models.

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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 11:09:35 PM »
Don't we already have Other Bikes forum?

This is SOHC4.
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 01:06:47 AM »
So that's a resounding "no" then  :D

I guess my point is twofold - the search function is pretty pants at the best of times so it's no oracle for the information you need and secondly a ground breaking performance mod on say a twin or DOHC four might be possible to translate to an SOHC, being something that hasn't been considered in SOHC land before. I guess that's not a big enough driver for most folks so it'll stay SOHC only and plod on at two posts a day...zzzzzzzzz!  ;)
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 04:38:22 AM »
im for sohc only, if we only brought here the hipo threads in the general forum (that includes me...) there would be tons of reading here and stuff to discuss.

That said, if someone brings a subject that has general implications for sohc, riding techiques, cam timings, then why not.  i dont think were are chasing anybody out right now.

mlinder and Sam seem to apply a reasonable "moved" policy IMHO
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 07:10:02 AM »
So that's a resounding "no" then  :D

I guess my point is twofold - the search function is pretty pants at the best of times so it's no oracle for the information you need and secondly a ground breaking performance mod on say a twin or DOHC four might be possible to translate to an SOHC, being something that hasn't been considered in SOHC land before. I guess that's not a big enough driver for most folks so it'll stay SOHC only and plod on at two posts a day...zzzzzzzzz!  ;)

Hi Moonpie :)

The search function is actually quite good good. You can use the 'advanced search' and tell it to only look in the hipo forum for stuff.
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 10:58:38 AM »
I'd like to see added functionality on performance mods too.  There are plenty of great posts on here, but they can be hard to find even with the great search tool.  I'm in favor of a post that points out benefits and detriments for mods, including real world results.  Sort of an engineering section that does not discriminate between bikes as long as the mod is applicable to SOHC4s.

Consider something like the FAQs page.  A numbered list of modifications could be linked to sections below that explain the mod. That way, a builder can get ideas and information. without having to read through hundreds of posts, and missing posts that don't come up in the search.

The modifications list can be added to, and the sections can be expanded as more info becomes available.  It would have to be moderated according to set rules to keep it sensible, but it shouldn't take too much work.  I think Maaseyracer would be a great candidate for moderator.  ;-)

Example:
1) Lighten crankshaft

1 Benefits) Faster engine response above XXX rpm, lighter overall weight, increased engine braking, etc.
1 Detriments) Poor low rpm idle, faster engine response rate hinders city driveability, etc.
1 Considerations) Works well with x, y, z modifications.  Cost ($range), max of X.X lbs recommended material removal for daily driver and X.X lbs recommended material removal for track use.  Crankshaft profile should follow yyy form and shops with proven success are: bob's, dave's, bart's.

Posts are only allowed from completed projects, and must include pics.  If it isn't a SOHC4, but the concept could be applied to a SOHC4, then I think it should qualify for the section.  There are plenty of existing posts that could be summarized in a section like this already.

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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2010, 11:10:02 AM »
I can work on that.
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 11:25:37 AM »
I'd like to see added functionality on performance mods too.  There are plenty of great posts on here, but they can be hard to find even with the great search tool.  I'm in favor of a post that points out benefits and detriments for mods, including real world results.  Sort of an engineering section that does not discriminate between bikes as long as the mod is applicable to SOHC4s.

Consider something like the FAQs page.  A numbered list of modifications could be linked to sections below that explain the mod. That way, a builder can get ideas and information. without having to read through hundreds of posts, and missing posts that don't come up in the search.

The modifications list can be added to, and the sections can be expanded as more info becomes available.  It would have to be moderated according to set rules to keep it sensible, but it shouldn't take too much work.  I think Maaseyracer would be a great candidate for moderator.  ;-)

Example:
1) Lighten crankshaft

1 Benefits) Faster engine response above XXX rpm, lighter overall weight, increased engine braking, etc.
1 Detriments) Poor low rpm idle, faster engine response rate hinders city driveability, etc.
1 Considerations) Works well with x, y, z modifications.  Cost ($range), max of X.X lbs recommended material removal for daily driver and X.X lbs recommended material removal for track use.  Crankshaft profile should follow yyy form and shops with proven success are: bob's, dave's, bart's.

Posts are only allowed from completed projects, and must include pics.  If it isn't a SOHC4, but the concept could be applied to a SOHC4, then I think it should qualify for the section.  There are plenty of existing posts that could be summarized in a section like this already.

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Now that's what I'm talking about...nice one Camelman and look forward to seeing what you come up with Mark  ;D
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 12:23:53 PM »
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2010, 01:43:11 PM »
Awesome.  Who's first?  I really want to see TTR400's take on crankshaft lightening.

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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 07:56:50 AM »
OK guys, I said I was waiting for PM's with threads you'd like listed as important for various HiPo applications... haven't received one yet, 'cept for an additional topic...
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Re: HiPo forum - SOHCs only?
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2010, 11:01:23 AM »
You guys are serious slackers.
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