Author Topic: I'M AT THE END OF MY ROPE WITH A DEAD CYLINDER ISSUE (Read 7232 times)

scottly · « **Reply #50 on:** May 10, 2010, 01:03:02 AM »

Hush, could you define "give a serve"? I mean, I think I get the gist of it, but I'd like to know. You guys on the other side of the world have a lingo that I enjoy, like "bitsa".

ChortlingSandcaster · « **Reply #51 on:** May 10, 2010, 01:22:09 AM »

Quote from: 750goes on May 10, 2010, 12:53:40 AM

hey Sandcaster - you come on pretty heavy for a guy who maybe wants some assistance and information from the learned group called "the forum members", so giving everybody or anybody a serve about how to respond is a bit harsh in my eyes.... if you don't like the comments then that's fair enough...if you think this forum isn't fair thats fair enough as well.... if you think there are many opinions about the subject posted ... I think there might be......put up with it.............don't get narky and bag out members who like to state their opinion or comment, just because you percieve or don't like the inferred or non inferred tone is irrespective..............

be happy

Read my post it was reasonable.

I appreciate it you're saying 'you lack grace' and that was my point exactly. I took the role
of playing gotcha and you didn't like it. That was my point! And I explained it by example.

You gotta understand -- you're saying that you now want Paddy to come back and say this:

"Okay, Okay, I was lying about the jets, it was really XXxX, sorry for bsing you."

My point was you let people have some FACE SAVING. Help the board, sure,
but dont tell Paddy straight up you don't believe them and do -- what -- force them
to admit they lied? WHY? No point in it.

That was me playing GOTCHA on Spanner and David
and you guys didn't like it. Well that was my POINT!

Dont play Gotcha. Let people have some 'face saving' space.

My intent is to make this a decent forum because a lot of you are perfectly OK
with slamming people and I'm saying 'there's a better way.' That's all.
It's not too much to ask.

I was not at all offended -- I'm not Paddy, I just wanted you guys to maybe
have look at the receiving end of it.

750goes · « **Reply #52 on:** May 10, 2010, 01:23:00 AM »

I might jump in here

"give a serve"

is like

"cop this"
"cop a spray"
"take this"
"have a shot at"

all similar but not exactly the same...

hope this helps

750goes · « **Reply #53 on:** May 10, 2010, 01:25:23 AM »

sorry mate,

my personal thought is you should let paddy paul make up his own mind....short and sweet that's it.

scottly · « **Reply #54 on:** May 10, 2010, 01:34:15 AM »

Quote from: 750goes on May 10, 2010, 01:23:00 AM

I might jump in here

"give a serve"

is like

"cop this"
"cop a spray"
"take this"
"have a shot at"

all similar but not exactly the same...

hope this helps

"have a shot at" is sort of what I was thinking it meant. "cop a spray"

Does this imply a pissing contest?

Thanks

paddy paul · « **Reply #55 on:** May 10, 2010, 06:27:48 AM »

What I mean by the main jet I mean the whole Assembly that screws into the carb body, and it was not a BAD F@#King plug, Christ Where do you guys come up with this #$%*, do you really think I would tell you it was a fuel delivery problem when it was a plug, I really do not get some of the members on this board, I will supply you who doubt MY engine problem with Photos later today or tomorrow..........

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #56 on:** May 10, 2010, 07:00:27 AM »

I don't doubt you Paddy, my hunch on the carb being the problem was right after all.
Good to hear you sorted it out.

ChortlingSandcaster · « **Reply #57 on:** May 10, 2010, 08:26:02 AM »

Quote from: paddy paul on May 10, 2010, 06:27:48 AM

What I mean by the main jet I mean the whole Assembly that screws into the carb body, and it was not a BAD F@#King plug, Christ Where do you guys come up with this #$%*, do you really think I would tell you it was a fuel delivery problem when it was a plug, I really do not get some of the members on this board, I will supply you who doubt MY engine problem with Photos later today or tomorrow..........

Hey Paddy, I wasn't at all sure about your findings, I was only getting in your corner in case you were
satisfied with where you were, I didn't like seeing you be challenged. In my personal life I try to empathize with folks and not draw them out if they dont wanna be. Truth be told I have made dumb mistakes and did not want to tell everybody about it, and am glad you succeeded. Was only sticking up for you.
The main 100% reason I chimed in was because it was out of line that Spanner and David just explicitly saying in effect "Ah, b__chit I don't believe you what's the real story." Spanner's got 1400+ posts, obviously has hung out on the board here, obviously has provided value, my only thing was, go easy if we have a poster we think doesn't want to be forthcoming, whatever their reason might be. Paddy I was trying to get in your corner, so I hope that came through. And I did not want to insult anyone. Just trying to instill some CIVILITY! and poke the veil of the groupthink. When you've hung out on a forum a long time with a bunch of others, some 'groupthink' takes over and we sometimes forget to ask ourselves 'if this person was standing right next to me would I be posting this.'

zzpete · « **Reply #58 on:** May 10, 2010, 08:27:02 AM »

WHERES THE LOVE??

Hannibal Smith · « **Reply #59 on:** May 10, 2010, 09:41:41 AM »

I didn't know if it was the plug, I figured it was the one thing that wasn't checked...................which turned out to be the jet.

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #60 on:** May 10, 2010, 10:24:26 AM »

O.K. Paddy, don't get your knickers in a knot... no need for the 'F' word either ! Look ,the jets ( Main and Slow ) both screw into the upper carb body and it's not possible to 'screw the Main jet in too far'... jets are not 'adjustable' and are either installed or not installed. If not screwed-in all the way, then the bottom of the jet sits deeper in the fuel, right. So, either no jet in #3 carb, or it was sitting in the bottom of the bowl, or no gas/low gas in that bowl, sounds reasonable to me !!?.... or a bad plug...
BTW when I say 'jet' I'm meaning, like you, the jet/emulshion tube assembly ( tightens with an 8mm wrench).

Hush · « **Reply #61 on:** May 10, 2010, 02:21:16 PM »

Quote from PP.

I noticed that the #3 main jet was screwed in farther than the rest so the float level was correct but the main jet for #3 was not getting any fuel because it was sitting up higher.. adjusted the float bowl, put the carbs back on and it fired on the first kick.

So I'm still trying to get a handle on what was actually wrong (in my 650 owner sort of way)

Was the main jet (which screws in) not screwed completely into the emulsion tube (longish brass tube with holes in) ?
Is there a small washer that goes between the main jet and the emulsion tube that may have been missing and therefore the main screwed up further than the other three jets?
Following this thinking, adjusting the float level to compensate would partly correct this problem but would now require the needle of just that carb to be raised a notch to compensate also?

Oh yeah, "a serve"

to fire back a ball usually in tennis but used in these terms as a light hearted retort when we deserve it.

paddy paul · « **Reply #62 on:** May 10, 2010, 08:22:18 PM »

yes the whole Assembly, for some reason on that carb body the main jet assembly actually does screw in about 2 turns more than the rest, and when you do take a good look at them all lined up without the float bowels on you can see that the #3 main jet body is sitting father up than the rest, I don't know if it was cast that way or somebody along the way gave it a few extra turns or what, I wish I would have taken pics, but I was in such a hurry to get them back on and running that I didn't, but I tell you true that was the problem.

When the fuel was shut off by the float the level was barley at the bottom of the jet, It's a new one on me, that's why I was going crazy.. good compression, good spark, good timing,eta.. I do apologize.. to all it's just a little furstraighting to be told that you didn't check the first basic thing..and thanks too all and I send you all hugs and kisses

ekpent · « **Reply #63 on:** May 10, 2010, 08:29:43 PM »

Next Problem Please

Thats why we love the forum.Now lets talk some oil

---And Paddy ride safe out there on the fresh BEAST --------- 4 or better than 3--------

scottly · « **Reply #64 on:** May 10, 2010, 08:30:22 PM »

{{}}

Thanks for the feedback paddy; it does sound like you had the odd problem there. Perhaps a PO had filed down the part where the jet screws in to fix a corrosion problem that would not allow the jet to seal. Just a guess. Glad to hear it's fixed!!!!
Scott

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #65 on:** May 10, 2010, 08:51:13 PM »

Good, everythings hunkydory then...!

scottly · « **Reply #66 on:** May 10, 2010, 09:00:56 PM »

Paddy, just a thought, I wonder if you may need to raise the needle on that carb to compensate for the main being higher?

Hush · « **Reply #67 on:** May 11, 2010, 03:12:03 AM »

Didn't I just say that Scott?

"Following this thinking, adjusting the float level to compensate would partly correct this problem but would now require the needle of just that carb to be raised a notch to compensate also?"

paddy paul · « **Reply #68 on:** May 11, 2010, 05:44:23 AM »

Yes, and while I had it apart I did exactly that, one notch.

scottly · « **Reply #69 on:** May 11, 2010, 11:43:31 AM »

Quote from: Hush on May 11, 2010, 03:12:03 AM

Didn't I just say that Scott?

"Following this thinking, adjusting the float level to compensate would partly correct this problem but would now require the needle of just that carb to be raised a notch to compensate also?"

Ooops! You certainly did!

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #70 on:** May 11, 2010, 12:38:49 PM »

Quote from: BLUE71TURBO on May 06, 2010, 10:24:48 PM

Quote from: scottly on May 06, 2010, 10:18:10 PM
Quote from: paddy paul on May 06, 2010, 06:37:04 PM
Here is the problem, Dead # 3 on my 75 CB 750, decent compression 120psi

Obviously, if the bike has 120psi, valves are not the issue. If the fat blue spark was from the center electrode of the plug to the ground strap, with the plug body grounded against the head, it rules out ignition. That leaves the carb.

My feelings exactly. Just because you have fuel in the bowl doesn't mean it's getting through all of the passages in the carburetor.

I knew it was the carburetor !!

BBs77F2 · « **Reply #71 on:** October 31, 2010, 12:21:37 PM »

My 77 F2 didn't want to run on all the cylinders after sitting a few years. I felt the exhaust pipes to find the dead cylinder. After doing all the same stuff you have done, I lucked across a plugged vent hole on the carburetors.
On the left side of the carb body, above the bowl, is a vent hole for the float chamber. Gas stains on all but the dead hole carb, it was clean. After poking from both sides, there is a hole pointing straight up inside the float chamber, with a fine wire and carb spray, it started hitting on that cylinder.
This summer it did it again so pulled off the carb module and checked and cleaned all carb passages. I used the smallest drill bit in a welder's tip cleaner for the vent hole.
Oh, make sure the float isn't installed upside down, it looks like it is mounted upsidedown by its shape. Hence, no gas flows. Ha! Silly me!

Hope this helps, cuz good 'Ol Red' hasn't been this responsive for decades!

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