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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2010, 02:52:08 PM »
Traveler,

You pretty much summed up what I was saying all along. Many people here wat to bash Harley saying they are under powered. That is simply not true. They are not meant to be ridden like a scalded dog.

A Honda S2000 is fast, but it is not powerful. It is just fast. There is a difference between the two.

In no way was my original post intended to stir the pot. It was simply to inform that this "old technology" that they were calling a Harley is  just simply not true.

I used to get confused between something that is fast and something that is powerfull.


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« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2010, 11:55:00 PM »
[quote author=Ecosse link=topic=71418.msg793472#msg793472
Well..

To each his own I guess.  But that's about the most accurate depiction of HD that I've run across in my 51 years of riding.  I rode them..moved on to Brit bikes..then Jap bikes..as they were evolving.  Made my decisions then..have (and still do) see little reason to look back..except maybe for nostalgic/old time's sake.

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« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2010, 09:29:00 AM »
"Why is it that every time we try to have a relaxing day," Cartman declares, "a bunch of a******s on their Harley motorcycles show up?"

I laughed until I cried when I first watched this episode.



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« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2010, 11:24:12 AM »
"Why is it that every time we try to have a relaxing day," Cartman declares, "a bunch of a******s on their Harley motorcycles show up?"

I laughed until I cried when I first watched this episode.



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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2010, 11:53:01 AM »
really folks.

i'm the first to mock anyone with an elitist attitude about anything (except hondas! ;D) but arguing what machine is "better" is a joke.

nothing wrong with voicing one's opinion (smelly or not) but beyond that you're either singing to the choir or p!ssing up a rope.

one can support their preferences with "facts" but in the end we make our choices largely on emotion. nothing wrong with that.


edit: i am fully aware i may succumb to hypocrisy at any time but that in no way diminishes the validity of the above statements.  ::)
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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2010, 12:02:49 PM »
bring your stock CB550 to Rapid City, and I'll put $100 on a drag race against my H/D.

Money talks, bull$hit walks.

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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2010, 10:34:30 AM »
BINGO steve! How much bigger is the hd to finally beat a 550? That is the pathetic part. Essentially the only reason to own an HD is for perceived bad assery. It is all about image.
An hd does not:
ride the smoothest.
ride the most comfortable.
go the fastest.
does not corner the best.
does not stop the best.
is NOT the most powerful in torque or hp.

no SINGLE bike does all of these but some company out there has a bike that does 1 of these better than any other, except hd.

So ultimately, if you want an hd, hey thats fine. Just dont delude yourself into thinking it is cause they are best. Either admit you ride it solely because you like it OR because you want the supposed image that goes with it. After all, I can admit that my 750 is NO LONGER(but was at one time) the best at any of those. I ride it cause I like it. I like the looks. I like the sound. It still corners well and stills gets going pretty good too but it is not the best at any of those things.

Joe cant say anything, I think it might be illegal to have his honda in the western half of SD!

But one question, what good is all the HD "power" if it cant go fast and isn't used to pull anything? It is kinda like having a dragster that you cant drive fast! whats the point?

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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2010, 11:03:31 AM »
Bah!

Take a Honda GL1200 out for a spin, and it'll make you wonder why you even looked at ANY Harley twice.  Power, class, style, smoothness, it's got it all.  Well, everything except the stupid "look at me - I'm dressed like a pirate" noise.

Plus, it was made in USA by proud, NON-UNION Americans!
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« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2010, 11:10:26 AM »
Plus, it was made in USA by proud, NON-UNION Americans!

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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2010, 12:02:18 PM »
Better than that.... go check out a 05' GL1800 and then you'll know what power and performance and smoothness is all about. Dew rag not included  ;D
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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #60 on: June 07, 2010, 12:13:11 PM »
I agree, performance and smoothness are unequalled on the GL1800, but the GL1200 has superior looks -- a more classic style with less tupperware.  IMO, a superior package all around.

For that matter, the Honda Valkyrie was an incredible machine with the 1500 GoldWing motor, but the absolute classic styling that I just love.

Better than that.... go check out a 05' GL1800 and then you'll know what power and performance and smoothness is all about. Dew rag not included  ;D
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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #61 on: June 07, 2010, 12:20:39 PM »
I'm not sure I want to keep adding to this, but I had a Harley guy not wave at me yesterday.   >:(  It never fails.  Not sure why it bugs me so much.   :-\

Of course, almost all of them wave back.  But it only takes one to sour my mood.   :(


I also saw something else funny yesterday...
After switching my wheels, I pulled over to check that all the nuts were tight.  It was a really nice area near the road that I frequently stop.  There's a really pretty creek with a waterfall there. 

Anyway, while I was parked there, two motorcycles pulled off the road across from me.  Believe it or not, I don't think they saw me.  But anyway, there they were - a crotch rocket and some other bike I'm not sure what it was (I was busy checking my bike).  Then I heard the South Park HD crowd coming.  "Hahbuh... Hahbuh... Hahbuh buh buh buh..."

They were all riding together, but these two bikes got ahead and had to wait up for their HD buddies.   :)
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« Reply #62 on: June 07, 2010, 12:49:02 PM »
OK I had to add this!  :D

Harley-Davidson: The most efficient way to convert gasoline into noise without the adverse side effect of horsepower.

Did you know 95% of all Harleys are still on the road?
The other 5% actually made it home.

Is it true that Harleys are chick magnets?
Yes, but only if the chick has a steel plate in her head.

What's the cheapest way to get another 50hp from your Harley?
Trade it in on a Kawasaki.

Why don't Harley riders sit on their bikes when the sidestands are down?
They're afraid to lean over that far.

What's the difference between a Harley and a Harley owner's home?
The Harley costs more and has fewer wheels.

How do you now you're riding a Harley?
While coming off an exit-ramp you get passed by a Vespa.

Why don't Harley riders wave at sportbike riders?
Because they don't want to drop their tools.

How do you know all the aftermarket parts you bought for your Harley are worth the money?
You finally break into the 15's in the quarter mile.

Where can you find the world's largest collection of Harley jokes?
At Sturgis

What do you call a group of Harley Owners with a collective IQ of 120?
Sturgis!

How do Harley engineers tell if a bike is worthy of the Harley name?
They check to make sure the exhaust noise in decibels exceeds the horsepower rating.

Why don't Harley owners smile?
Once you realized you got conned into paying $25,000 for an outdated piece of $#!+ would YOU be smiling?

What's the difference between a Harley Davidson and a vacuum cleaner?
The location of the dirtbags.

Why do Harleys have fringe?
So you can tell if they're moving.

How do you know your Harley is handling great?
You can almost keep up with the logging trucks when you're riding in the
canyons.

How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog?
They both like to ride in the back of pickup trucks.

What is the difference between a Harley Davidson and an old dog?
The dog can get in the back of the pickup by itself.

Why couldn't the Harley mechanic repair the doorknob?
Some things just can't be fixed with only a hammer and a rope.

What's the difference between a Harley taken to Daytona on a trailer and one that's being ridden there?
The one on the trailer is going about 30mph faster.

Why do all Harley owners have trailers??
So they can go around corners faster!

You know you're a Harley rider if...

....you're unable to let your bike simply IDLE at a stop light.

....you confuse the word "character" with the more accurate term
"engineering flaws."

...."water cooled" means standing on the side of the road, in the rain, waiting for a your buddy to come in his pickup truck

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« Reply #63 on: June 07, 2010, 01:34:34 PM »
I raced a Harley today and after some really hard riding I managed
to PASS the guy. I was riding on one of those really, really
twisting sections of mountain road with no straight sections to
speak of and where most of the bends have warning signs that
say "MAX SPEED 50 KPH".

I knew if I was going to pass one of those monsters with those
big-cubic-inch motors, it would have to be a place like this where
handling and rider skill are more important than horsepower alone.

I saw the guy up ahead as I exited one of the turns and knew I could
catch him, but it wouldn't be easy. I concentrated on my braking and
cornering. Three corners later, I was on his mudguard. Catching him
was one thing; passing him would prove to be another.

Two corners later, I pulled up next to him as we sailed down the
mountain. I think he was shocked to see me next to him, as I nearly
got by him before he could recover. Next corner, same thing. I'd
manage to pull up next to him as we started to enter the corners but
when we came out he'd get on the throttle and out-power me. His
horsepower was almost too much to overcome, but this only made me
more determined than ever.

My only hope was to out-brake him. I held off squeezing the lever
until the last instant. I kept my nerve while he lost his. In an
instant I was by him. Corner after corner, I could hear the roar of
his engine as he struggled to keep up. Three more miles to go before
the road straightens out and he would pass me for good.

But now I was in the lead and he would no longer hold me back. I
stretched out my lead and by the time we reached the bottom of the
canyon, he was more than a full corner behind. I could no longer see
him in my rear-view mirror.

Once the road did straighten out, it seemed like it took miles
before he passed me, but it was probably just a few hundred yards. I
was no match for that kind of horsepower, but it was done. In the
tightest section of road, where bravery and skill count for more
than horsepower and deep pockets, I had passed him. Though it was
not easy, I had won the race to the bottom of the mountain.

I will always remember that moment. I don't think I've ever pedaled
so hard in my life. And, some of the credit must go to Huffy
cycles, as well. They really make a great bicycle...

Now I am just poking fun at hd! :D

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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #64 on: June 07, 2010, 01:44:09 PM »
indido, you're insufferable!  ;D

however, i know i'm not the only one who's had a hd rider stop to see if i'm ok when i was pulled over. i've done as much my self.

some wave some don't. i've not waved on occasion but it was for practical reasons or brain fade.

waved to a friggin scooter once; those suckers are getting big!!

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« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2010, 05:14:36 PM »
The problem with Honda riders who start and contribute to anti-Harley threads like this, is that they just don't get it.

I don't know whether they have a secret envy of Harley owners and feel a need to vent their frustration, while justifying their own shortcomings with their non-Harley "performance figures" (which mean nothing in the real world, anyway) or need to deride Harley owners for their attitude or their dress, but I find it kind of pathetic.

In the US, where Harley's are manufactured, (or maybe just assembled from Japanese parts, which doesn't matter either) by Americans, Harleys are cheap, and it kinda smacks of "Anti Americanism" to see so many "Proud" Americans running down Harley Davidson, instead of ponying up the dough and owning one, and keeping their fellow Americans in work, (union or otherwise) rather than sending their money overseas and making Japanese manufacturers richer.

I own plenty of CB750's, the only Honda I'm interested in owning, the rest of them to me are just meaningless mass produced Jap bikes, like Bic lighters, they're used, and discarded, and no-one cares. Sure, they go well and are enjoyable to ride, but they'll never be anything more than just another Japanese vehicle, here today, and gone tomorrow, recycled into something more useful, like beer cans or bin liners. 

The reason you don't see so many anti-Honda threads on Harley sites is that Harley owners are content with their lot in life, they don't need to justify their decision to buy the bikes that they enjoy with such trivialities as price, performance, fuel economy etc, they are happy with what they have, and that's enough for them, and they really don't care about what Jap bike riders think about them. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2010, 05:20:16 PM »
Right on Terry!  It's all about riding!  Not what you ride.
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« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2010, 05:50:50 PM »
This is like the relationship between the branches of the military, the Marines pic fights with the Army and so on and so on, but when it all hits the fan they know they are on the same team.

I know I feel this way, its not something I would ride, but I wouldn't turn down going on a ride with someone who owned a HD or even to poke along with an all HD (except me) ride. Two wheels is better then no wheels or 4 wheels.

Unfortunately though Harley is trouble, there sales demographic is dwindling and they have failed to attract any noticeable share in the next generation. A lot of the younger riders would rather ride something else. So the haters out there I think don't voice there indignation for Harley because of some subconscious need to own one but instead are stating in the form of put downs because of a frustration that there isn't an American motorcycle company producing what they want. Instead its the same old same old that never appealed to them. I for one would consider Harley first if they where to produce something I like. The XR1200 was a good step in the right direction though. Just saying my jibs are because of boredom and frustration Milwaukee won't produce anything that they haven't been producing for the last 20 yrs. 
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« Reply #68 on: June 07, 2010, 06:04:52 PM »
Terry's got it.

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« Reply #69 on: June 07, 2010, 07:32:35 PM »
Ah terry, I just rag on hd riders! Just cause. I would own 1 hd, the xr1200. Not for image, it does not really fit the standard hd image. It just looks fun and looks like their old xr750s.

As for honda bashing threads, you might be right but you might be wrong but I know there have been honda smashing gatherings done by harley riders where they literally beat on hondas with hammers and bats. I have personally talked to a couple guys that did it and when I asked them why, their only reason was that it was a honda.

So I wouldn't kid yourself, it does go both ways. A person should ride what they like, they should also be realistic about it.
I only like 1 hd, BUT I have never seen a bmw that I liked until their new sport. I dont like ducatis or MV or old nortons. They just are not my style. I do like the cb750s, all years up till the magna was canceled. I like wings. I like the new yamaha f6. So I kinda go everywhere. Bikes worth having are all personal opinion.

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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #70 on: June 08, 2010, 10:01:33 AM »
Terry summed it up.

I rode a 2007 Softail Classic while in Myrtle Beach, SC. I fell in love. The looks, the ride, the power, the feel. The HD had it all.



It wasn't the fastest, the will not handle the best. IMO, it sounds the best.

Like I said, I like my CB550. If it were up to me, there would be a Road King right next to it.

I like a Harley-Davidson and one day I am going to get one.

FWIW, the "governmet bail out" that HD recieved was also recieved by Microsoft, and other "very profitable" corporations.

With the US in a financial downturn, the non-essential things stop selling. New cars are not moving like they should. Houses are not selling. If we can not afford a new house or car, we sure as heck can not afford a motorcycle. I am one of the fortunate that works for a company that is hiring and we have plenty of work. I will have me a Harley. It is just when I make the move.


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« Reply #71 on: June 08, 2010, 07:56:08 PM »
Good on you Tom, that's a great looking bike, apart from my CB750's and my Suzuki GS1000's I've got a 2007 Triumph Rocket III and often ride with a bunch of guys who own everything from big Honda cruisers to Harleys, the Harley guys like my Triumph and we often trade bikes during our rides, and last time I rode a big Harley like that one and had a ball, it didn't have anywhere near as much grunt as the Triumph, but it was super comfy (much moreso than my Triumph) and an absolute pleasure to ride for the 100 or so miles I put on it. Enjoy mate, you're gonna love it! ;D
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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2010, 08:54:39 PM »
Well..

Back to the original post on this thread..think it says all that needs to be.

I don't think that Harley needs defending..especially on a Honda website (never quite understand why some feel they have to do that..other than playing devil's advocate).  One indisputable fact remains about Harley..that this YouTube vid points out..Harley hasn't/doesn't hesitate to screw you if it means their bottom line will be affected.  That's enough in my book..has been for over 40 years..to look to other bike manufacturers for better rides.

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Well..

To each his own I guess.  But that's about the most accurate depiction of HD that I've run across in my 51 years of riding.  I rode them..moved on to Brit bikes..then Jap bikes..as they were evolving.  Made my decisions then..have (and still do) see little reason to look back..except maybe for nostalgic/old time's sake.

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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2010, 01:39:09 PM »
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Harley hasn't/doesn't hesitate to screw you if it means their bottom line will be affected.

Harley is no alone. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Kawasaki, Yamaha, GM, Chrysler, etc will do what they have to do to survive.

Something to think about. H-D was bankrupt before the employees stood up to take over and rebuild. They did it successfully. The Japanese has been trying to emulate them ever since.

Went looking for a headlight bulb for out scooter. Visited 3 different Yamaha dealers (2 of them sell almost everything) and looked at the V-Twin cruisers. While they looked good and were priced very attractivly, they just didn't match the looks of the Harleys. If I were looking for a classic style bike and price was an issue, I could have a big bike for around $10,000. Something comparable at the H-D dealership would cost double that.

In my opinion, the H-D is worth it.


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Re: Honest Harley Davidson Commercial
« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2010, 02:10:47 PM »
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Harley hasn't/doesn't hesitate to screw you if it means their bottom line will be affected.

Harley is no alone. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Kawasaki, Yamaha, GM, Chrysler, etc will do what they have to do to survive.

so true. nobody's running a charity here.

Something to think about. H-D was bankrupt before the employees stood up to take over and rebuild. They did it successfully. The Japanese has been trying to emulate them ever since.

i remember that. and (the employees of) harley will always have my respect for that. says something for their feelings about the company. not something to be underestimated.

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