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Offline Waggles

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Any preferences?
« on: June 26, 2010, 08:25:41 AM »
Hi All,

About to return to bikes after a break of more years than I care to remember. Am a huge fan of SOHC fours and used to own a 750F1 in my yoof. I now want to lay my hands on a mid range model which although will no doubt get cosseted and well looked after I will also be commuting on it too. I live in the UK and am thinking 400F most likely but to give myself scope am also considering 500 / 550 as well.

My question is this, of these models which have the best reputation or are they the all much the same? I don't want to start any 'my bikes better than yours' wars I just mean have any proved more long lived? are there more of one type available? and what about spares? more available for one type more than another?

Any thoughts or warnings etc most appreciated! Just dont ask me to get a modern bike, they just dont do it for me!

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Re: Any preferences?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2010, 08:40:34 AM »
Welcome. Can't offer any advice, but I'm sure others will chime in. Considering your location, you might want to check in at http://www.sohc.co.uk/ also.
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Offline ieism

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Re: Any preferences?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2010, 03:08:14 PM »
I think 400's are a lot more popular in the UK for some reason. We have way more 550's than 400's here, but I think in the UK it's other way around.

But spares shouldn't be a problem for both bikes, and they are equally reliable. If you're spending a lot of time on the highway, or are a little heavier than when you were 18, a 550 is not a bad idea.

I can only advice you on buying a 550 as I've had a few. There are a couple of things you want to look out for when buying a 550, so let us know when you've spotted a bike and are ready to go for a testdrive..
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Offline Tim2005

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Re: Any preferences?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2010, 03:11:54 PM »
I think I'd either go for a 400 or another 750F1... the F1's are good value here in the UK and are pretty bulletproof, though maybe a tad heavy for lots of traffic work, while 400s commute really well and are a lot of fun to ride. As for model variations- the 400s didn't change much over the years, and most spares are pretty easily available with only NOS stuff and chrome bits getting rarer; certainly all the general wear and tear parts are easy to get. They are pretty long lived too, so long as the oil is changed regularly and the camchain adjuster isn't seized. as with anything this old, sorting out tired cosmetics is generally the hard bit.

As for the in-between models, 500s are rare as anything nowadays and while there are plenty of 550s about I don't find them anywhere near as enjoyable to ride as a 400, having not much more power and a lot more weight, although for motorway-type cruising they are probably just as good. Also they do tend to go for about 2/3rds the price of a similar condition 400.

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Re: Any preferences?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2010, 02:49:17 AM »
Thanks for your thoughts guys.

Yep, I certainly am heavier than I was when I had the F1! ( Why go for a six pack when you can have the whole barrel  :D ) I had noticed 550 'forks' seem to go for less than the 400s so maybe a good plan due to my size ( I'm tall as well ) and being midway. I agree they may not be a lot faster than a 400 and are heavier, but likewise they are not a lot slower than the 750F1 and are lighter!

My commuting will involve town work so the 750 may be a bit of an overkill?

I know of at least two 550's that look OK and are going for reasonable money so will give them a try first I think, so ieism, what should I look for?

My only other problem is the place with with the 550's also has a quite nice 750F1, will I be able to resist? even the same colour as my old one! .........

thanks again for your input

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Re: Any preferences?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2010, 01:23:42 AM »
Well, a couple of things to look out for but I think none important enough to not buy the bike. But it gives you a better position barganing if you know a few things:

For all 550, ORIGINAL parts that are hard to find and/or expensive:
-Exhaust, especially the 4into4's can cost more than a whole bike in good condition. They always look good from the outside, but are rusted from the inside, have a good look at the bottom and don't be afraid to tap it with something to check thickness and rust. 4into1 are usually less of a problem, and there are aftermarket options available at a price.
-Sidecovers. Uncracked sidecovers in the original colour are best.
-Most large crome parts like fenders etc are expensive to replace. Get one with good chrome, unless you don't care about looks.
-An undented tank in original colour is great, also check it comes with the key for the latch and check the inside for rust (can be fixed).

The 77&78 have different carbs, and a hard to find airbox. So don't buy this without the original airbox. In fact, don't buy any bike without the original airbox, most that are modified to pods are not rejetted properly.

With the first years 550, there was occasionally a problem with the rocker arm shafts rotating and wearing in the camcover. Later 550's were changed to prefent this It can only be checked if you take the breather cover on top of the engine off, and most people don't do that when buying a bike. On a low(ish) mileage bike it probably won't be an issue. Worst case scenario if you don't check it, replace the camcover.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20408.0

Leaking headgaskets are rare, if the bike leaks oil it will likely be an o-ring.

Rust is a problem with all older bikes, 550 don't have big trouble area's exept the exhausts. Also check the fork tubes under the headlight mounting brackets. Pull back the plastic boot under the lower triple clamp, if there is rust up near the lower triple clamp, then the tube is probably rusty the whole way up. A little rust is ok, but a lot will make for a weaker tube..

Testdrive as many bikes as you can. I'm sure if you ride a good 550, you won't be tempted to buy the 750 so soon. A 550 should pull strong from 3000rpm in every gear without obvious dips. Don't be scared to rev it to redline, they like that. It should also start up easily without warming it first (feel the engine when you arrive).

Don't buy one just because the colour is better, look at the total state of the bike and the parts that are missing or need replacing. This will safe you some money later on.
Good luck, and pictures when you buy the bike!
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Re: Any preferences?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2010, 02:21:03 AM »
i thought about this a lot when buying a sohc 4 and went with the 400. main reason for the choice was size and weight, living in london a smaller bike suits me best, plus the 400 in my eyes, is the most handsome of all bikes  :)

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