im in the hinterland hills here,and ive never got my front brake that hot,i actually tried to see how good it was down "henri roberts dve"it should be called "brake fade dve"if a few cars are in front you can really smell the brakes,i was purposley taxing the front brake,i got a little fade and thats about it,this is one steep long twisty decent,i guess if you have older fluid thats when you wish it was new.