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Offline FridgeRaider

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76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« on: April 16, 2014, 08:38:13 PM »
I want to start of by saying this is a great forum and reading through all the project threads made me envious to write one myself. The feedback and encouragement you guys/girls provide to beginner builders such as myself is outstanding and overwhelming. It is because of this I decided to document my second build (did a top end rebuild on my 78 CB750F this past winter to fix an oil issue). I love the look of the minimalistic CB Cafe Racers and figured the best platform to build one was with a 550 due to the lack of bulky oil reservoir that the 750s have. The Grey with two black stripes color scheme that I have decided to go with is going to be a tribute (hence the title of this thread) to the 1967 Shelby GT500 code named "Eleanor" from the movie "Gone in 60 seconds". The majority of the motor, frame, and wheels will be gloss black with polished metal accents. With all this in mind I did some lurking on CL for a month or two until I found a running 76 CB550K in the price range I wanted. The good news for all those who love CBs stock and think that chopping the frame up should be considered a war crime, the previous owner had already done that for me. The bad news is it looked like this:



I could go on all day about the "improvements" that the previous owner made. Here are some of my favorites:

- To stop a major oil leak from the head gasket, he used what appears to be blue window silicon sealer between the fins. I guess he thought that this was the easiest and most aesthetically pleasing route to go.



- He said the front brake stopped working and removed it. That meant he was riding it around town with just the back drum brake. I'm not sure he even had a front brake on it to begin with because (please correct me if I'm wrong) the bracket for the brake caliper is on the outside of the fork instead of the inside.



- He put an aftermarket mini speedometer on it and instead of mounting it where the gauges are supposed to go, he drilled a giant hole straight through the aftermarket Clubman handlebars.



My favorite part of the whole buying experience was the initial kick starting of the bike. The PO had the bike parked in his muddy front yard instead of his empty driveway which is a dead give away for an oil leak. After talking with him a bit about the history of the bike I asked him to start it up for me. He said the bike had a charging issue and could only be kick started due to a low battery. At this point hilarity ensued. I got to watch this guy kick it twice and on the third attempt, the ground gave way under the kick stand proceeding to topple the bike, rider and gas tank into the mud. In the owner's defense he did a good job tucking and rolling. After he picked himself and his pride up, we got the bike running and I paid him $525 for it and the clean Tx title with it.

These are my goals for the bike:
- Hide the fuse box and battery into a custom made seat
- Upgrade the suspension front and back
- Upgrade the front brake (seeing how there isn't any to begin with)
- Drop in a CB650 camshaft and gears (I have already torn into the motor and found a badly pitted camshaft)
- Simplify the wiring system
- Learn how to separate the crankcase and then gain the confidence to do it
- Media Blast/Powder coat everything
- Do all the work myself

Any words of advice or suggestions on my upcoming posts are always appreciated.
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2014, 01:55:24 AM »
Sounds like a great project and looks like the ride will appreciate your effort.
I won't offer any advice, as I'm a noob on my first build. But I'll be keeping up with the progress. Plenty of photos pls.

 
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2014, 03:57:49 AM »
Fridge - yup, you've got yourself a work-wife there... Yes, the caliper is incorrectly mounted. Seek Godferrey for a new drilled and thinned rotor and any missing parts. Get a phenolic piston from him too. You can get SS braided lines from Slingshot (watch right side margin for his adverts).

New bars are now in order (you knew that). Get a copy of Hondaman's book as it will provide you tons of great knowledge, explanations, and plenty of tips and tricks. Manuals can found on this site too, under the 550 section (and wiring diagrams).

You've got a neighbor just down the road that has tons of experience and parts (Stev-o) who appears to be always helpful, and hugely knowledgable. Take lots of pictures on your disassembly (not just for the build thread) to aide you re-assembly. Especially after all the "mods" you may encounter lots of "WTFs" with parts missing, wrong or re-purposed.

Another member here, SohRon is documenting his "restoration". Highly encourage you to find it, read it, and bookmark it. His is a return to factory "perfect" so it's like a modern, color factory manual of repair/restore/rebuild/assemble. Unbelievably useful thread.

There's nothing too complex these bikes for anyone who is literate, patient, and competent that prevents them from working on them by theirselves. Get stuck, ask. Get frustrated, walk away and unwind. It's 40 years old and you can't fix it in a day. Everything will take 3x as long and cost 2.5x as much. But your labor and effort will pay huge dividends and be extremely beneficial down the road to keeping it running.

If it's broken, fix it properly and completely now. It's cheaper in the long run. If you cant do the work, plenty of great resources and recommendations for services abound on this forum.

We shall be expecting another Bike of the Month Candidate from you, due, say February?  Up for the challenge! Welcome and good luck-
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2014, 06:08:35 AM »
Subscribed, great first post, love the list of improvements he made.  Front brake - WTF was he thinking?!

Cal gave you some good advice, especially about your "neighbor"....ha!

You will be powder coating the frame yourself?
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2014, 07:55:28 PM »
Thanks for the initial feedback,

Damage Inc - I will make sure to post a goodly amount of pictures. The only pics I will be missing in the whole build process is removing the engine and the tabs on the frame (I was excited and got ahead of myself that first day). It doesn't have to be advice, I will also be looking for suggestions.

calj737 - Great advice! I already own Hondaman's book and have used it for my 750. A good portion of it goes over my head, especially when it comes to checking bearings with plastigauge. To keep it short I plan on following what you suggested about documentation and patience to the letter. Also challenge accepted!

Stev-o - It's good to know you are nearby, might need some one to show me some good roads. As for my frame I do indeed plan on powder coating it myself. It involves me building my own oven big enough to fit the frame in. Did I mention I like to do the work myself?  ;D 

Now to try and catch up on what I have done so far.

So I got ahead of myself on the first day (awhile back) and didnt take any pictures of removing the carbs, motor, and swing arm or when I removed the extra tabs from the frame. Rookie mistake I know, but I wanted to make some progress before I went on a month long training event for work so bare with me on the weak documentation.

I started by removing the ugly cafe seat the previous owner mounted inside of the frame, next came the battery/fuse boxes (no pics).

Removing the engine should have been an easy task but the top-rear mounting bolt was rusted to the metal spacer (no pic) and I ended up having to saw through the bolt to remove it. Here is the engine out of the frame caked in grime:



I removed the airbox mounting tabs, seat bracket, and passenger pegs from the frame with a reciprocating saw and angle grinder. The back of the frame will eventually be chopped to weld in a classic cafe seat hoop:



With everything from the carbs and engine back, removed and safely boxed up. The bike sat under my work bench until I came back from my month long training event. That was when I started building the contraption on the left (the bike in the foreground is my buddy's 84 Honda V65):






 




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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2014, 08:49:52 PM »
One of my goals for this bike is to media blast clean the parts and powder coat em myself. I have seen small pre-made media blasting cabinets for sale from places like Harbor Freight and Autobody ToolMart. I thought to myself, why not make one big enough to fit a frame in for a 1/3 the price. This is what became of a free weekend:





This is how the setup works. Essentially I made a giant box 5'x3'x3' and put it on stilts. Hardest part was making a sloped bottom that funnels the media I use into a 5 gal bucket at the bottom. For the blasting part I use a 20 gal air compressor and a media blasting gun picked up at a local Tractor supply for $20. The gun pulls the media from the 5 gal bucket at the bottom, thus making a closed (kind of leaks) recirculating media blasting setup.









I use two different kinds of media depending on what part I want to clean. For most non-sensitive parts I use Black Diamond coal slag ($8 per 50lb bag) either fine or extra fine grade of coarseness. Anything more coarse then that seems to bite too much into the soft metal. As for items such as carbs and gasket surfaces, I use baking soda sold at any local super market. It will remove the grime without etching the metal.

The top intake manifold is clean while the bottom one is still obviously dirty:



Here are some of the engine covers I cleaned, and are now awaiting powder coating:



All in all I paid about $150 for materials (not including the air compressor, I use my buddy's) as opposed to other retailers that want $350+.
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2014, 09:46:10 PM »
That's awesome.  Does the wood hold up well from the blasted media?
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 04:45:42 PM »
CB750 Cafe Racer Fan: Sorry for the delay. To answer your question on if the wood holds up? I went the cheap route and built the cabinet out of particle board and every now and again I will have to strain little pieces out my bucket of media with wire mesh. If I had used regular plywood there wouldn't be any issue but the difference was something around $8 vs $22 a sheet.

I decided to tackle rebuilding the 550 motor and carbs first because I consider those two entities the biggest challenge of the whole build. Plus the majority of the engine covers and carbs fit into the tiny oven I use for powder coating.

I have successfully done a top end rebuild on my 78 CB750F before so I decided that I could confidently tear the engine down to the point where the jugs/clutch basket/stator are removed and safely stored. I did take plenty of pictures for reference when I go to rebuild it back.

The 550 engine bolted to a buddy's engine stand for easy access (top breather cover, starter, and shifter side cover removed):



The valve cover/rockers removed:





Next up to be removed was the camshaft. I know my goal is to split the crank cases but I still ran a bungie cord through the cam chain to keep it on the bottom gear just in case I change my mind:



Clutch basket and points cover removed:



While inspecting the camshaft I notice that the lobes were very badly scratched and pitted (In my opinion they are, correct me if I'm wrong). I don't know how many miles the engine had on it because the previous owner had put an after market mini speedometer on the bike to try and help give it the cafe racer look. A quick Google search showed that this is very common ailment and that many people instead of buying another from a parts cb550 they instead drop in one from the early SOHC CB650s. It supposedly gives a boost in horsepower compared to the stock cam. Here are some close up pictures of the damaged cam.

 



Here is a good view of the blue silicone the PO tried to use to seal a major head gasket leak:



With the jugs still on, I decided that this was a good stopping point as I figure out where I was going to source out the necessary 650 camshaft + gears upgrade:




     
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 06:00:12 PM »
You may want to swap the oil sump, too.  The 650 sump is deeper but it requires removal if you pull or drop in an assembled motor.

Are you going to go with a big bore kit - relative term for a 550.
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2014, 07:31:10 PM »
CB750 Cafe Racer Fan: What is considered the oil sump? This?



 I'm behind on posting my progress but *spoiler* I do have a full CB650 part motor that I grabbed a good camshaft out of currently sitting in my garage. As for the big bore kit, I wanted to build this bike more for the vintage looks and longevity. If I can just hone the cylinder walls, my plan was to replace to the pistons rings and spend my budget elsewhere. I have looked at bore kits and there is a cheap kit on ebay that looks interesting but I'm concerned about the mixed opinions on it. Stev-o just beat me to posting the link to it. What is your guy's consensus on it?
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2014, 07:44:41 PM »
That's the oil strainer.  I'm referring to the oil pan.  The 650 pan is deeper allowing you to carry more oil.

As for the cruzinimage big bore kit on ebay, it has a larger bore than the Wiseco kit offered on Cycle Exchange, but the compression is higher on the Wiseco kit.  The price is great on the ebay kit, and nobody here seems to have anything bad to say about it.  I think if you want higher performance, you may go with the Wiseco or (if truly adventurous) replace the top end of you motor with a 650 top coupled with a big bore (but that requires a bit of work).
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2014, 08:56:02 PM »
Stev-o: Thanks for keeping an eye on my thread. Do you know any reputable machine shops in Austin that can do the bore required if I do decide to go that route? Sadly I don't trust any of the shops near me to do it, I would rather get it done outside of a military town.

CB750 Cafe Racer Fan: Thanks for setting me straight on what an oil sump is. I've heard it before, just couldn't associate it with the correct part. Is there any other part off of a 650 the can be a "drop in" improvement? Also do you know if I can straight swap the front forks off a 650 and keep the 550 spoked rims?
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2014, 11:46:10 PM »
Stev-o: Thanks for keeping an eye on my thread. Do you know any reputable machine shops in Austin that can do the bore required if I do decide to go that route? Sadly I don't trust any of the shops near me to do it, I would rather get it done outside of a military town.

CB750 Cafe Racer Fan: Thanks for setting me straight on what an oil sump is. I've heard it before, just couldn't associate it with the correct part. Is there any other part off of a 650 the can be a "drop in" improvement? Also do you know if I can straight swap the front forks off a 650 and keep the 550 spoked rims?

Well, you already know that you can swap in the 650 cam, which will function as a hot street cam with the 550 motor.  You can also use the top end of the 650 engine (cylinders, head and valve cover) or even more extreme you can swap in the 650 top end and increase the displacement.  It's my understanding that the stock porting on the 650 is much better than that on the 550 head.

You cannot swap the front forks and brakes from the 650 and use them with a 550 spoked wheel.  The spacing on the 650 rotors and the brake mounts are different.  Your better off swapping in a GL1000 front end, if you want better forks and brakes.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
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2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2014, 12:33:37 PM »
I hope you're not using the Black Diamond on any aluminum parts. 

I've got a soda blaster and I've found that using baking soda media meant for soda blasters works much better than store bought baking soda.  It doesn't clump up.  It's my favorite tool.

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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2014, 07:11:03 PM »
Stev-o: Thanks for keeping an eye on my thread. Do you know any reputable machine shops in Austin that can do the bore required if I do decide to go that route?

Sorry, I don't.  But I do know a Honda tech that runs a small shop, he may or prolly knows somebody that does.  PM me if you want his number. 
Do you have pistons yet?

BTW - good meeting ya, let me know when you want to ride some great roads around Lake Travis.   
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2014, 05:13:02 PM »
CB750 Racer Fan: thanks for the info, I like the top end look on the 550s so I plan to stick with that and just drop in a 650 cam. It's a shame about the rotor on the 650 forks not matching up, the 650 forks I have are in much better condition than the ones that came on the 550.

Cevan: What's your thought process behind not being able to use the fine grit black diamond media on any of the aluminum parts? I will have to try out the baking soda designed as a blasting media, though for me, the store bought stuff is easy enough to work with and quick to procure. 

Stev-o: I haven't decided which route I'm going to go yet on pistons but I will definitely be interested in your Honda guy if I do chose on a big bore (relative) kit. Hopefully I can take you up on that ride sometime soon.
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2014, 06:50:07 PM »
Since the camshaft needed to be replaced, I decided instead of paying money to replace it with a stock 550 cam I would source out an early 650 cam instead. And if anyone has tried to do that, they know these things are scarce and in turn pricey. I saw a couple come up for sale here on the forums but couldn't justify spending the money.  Patience worked in the end and started a chain of events that had me ending up buying a 650 camshaft, the whole 79' cb650 around it, as well as two more 76' CB550Ks (both engines were seized). One of which has a clean title. This effectively has turned my sole 76' CB550 build thread into a dual cafe racer 550 build.

The catalyst to this was, one day while lurking Craigslist, a local guy posted an ad selling his 79' cb650 for $250. He said he had no title for it and that the engine was seized. Interesting.....maybe he will just sell me the camshaft and tach gears for cheap since it was essentially a parts bike now. I find not many people are willing to put the effort into applying for a bonded title on these old neglected beauties and waiting three years for it to turn into a clear title. After making sure that it still had the cam, I went to take a look at it in person. I assume what happened next is what everyone calls a "barn find". I show up, introduce myself, and the guy takes me to his dad's literal barn where he has the 650 stored as well as apparently 6 other old bikes. Two of which I easily identified as CB550s since that's what I have been working on the past month or so and of course I was now envious of them. I chatted with the owner over the 650 and what he wanted for the cam/tach gears alone, which were in good usable condition. He said he was trying to get rid of the whole thing instead of parting it out. He eventually told me he was willing to let go of the bike for $175. After seeing a couple of 650 cams go for $125+ here, I decided to purchase the bike, take what I need off of it, and part out the rest to make my money back.

Here are some pics of the bike back in my garage before I tore it all down:



   

And here it is "expertly" taken apart:


This investment ended up being financially beneficial for me, I was able to pull out the cam, tach gears, gauges, oil pan (thanks CB750 Racer Fan) plus other misc parts for myself. I was hoping to straight swap the forks because they are in surprisingly great shape but I have been informed that they wont work without heavy modification (thanks again CB750 Racer Fan). I was able to make my money back on some of the parts I knew I wouldn't use and at the same time help a couple members here in the pursuit to get their bikes running.

Back to the guy I bought the 650 from. After I had the bike loaded up, I asked him if he was ever planning on selling the two 550s he still had in his barn. His response was the typical hesitant "I don't know, there is enough parts from both of them to make a running bike. That was always my goal but I don't know when I will find the time". To me that meant that he would never find the time and eventually just sell them for a handful of cash. Sure enough a month later, I was trolling Craigslist again (I'm addicted, aren't we all?) and saw them posted up for $600 for the pair. In his post he stated that most likely both engines are seized (they were) and would need an experienced mechanic (I'm not) to free them up. But since this was after I was able to make most of my money back on the parted 650 I justified to myself that if all else fails I could just part out those bikes too. With the blessing of my buddy, who I rent half of his garage to work in and sleep on whatever couch is free, I made the decision to buy two more broken down motorcycles to add to my collection. Since I had a previous rapport with the guy, I called him up and we settled on $450 cash in hand for the pair. Both ended up being 76' CB550Ks, the same exact year/model of which I was rebuilding.

Here they are, first up CB550 #2:








and CB 550 #3:







For identification purposes and simplicity, I will now just refer to the three bikes as #1, #2, #3. Bike #1 is the original running 550 that I plan on painting as a homage to Eleanor. Bike #2 has a seized engine with a clean title, this is the one with the best possibility of running out of the two. Bike #3 is a lost cause with no title, so I'm going to use it for parts and a training aid for solving the seized pistons issue and splitting the crankcase. This should get interesting......



 

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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2014, 08:58:58 PM »
Good score.  The motors are most likely not seized, but "stuck". This is common to bikes that sit, the piston ring rusts and adheres itself to the cylinder wall.

I suggest making a "cocktail" of ATF/Acetone, 50/50, and pour a few ozs in each cylinder and let it penetrate the stuck engine. Then try rocking the bike in fourth gear to try to break it free.  It may take a few "drinks" over the course of a few days.  I've done it with my K7.  Good luck.
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2014, 10:37:27 PM »
Here's another idea.  Cannibalize the 550s to build one supreme bike. Take the second, titled 550 frame and drop in the 650 motor maybe with an over bore kit. This hybrid will be your go fast bike and the 550 can be your "pretty" bike. I have a spare 550 titled frame that I wouldn't mind making into a hybrid sometime far in the future. From what I hear, you can have the power of an 836 in the lighter package of a 550.

Unfortunately, I can't find a cheap 650 motor in SoCal.
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute, Dual Build
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2014, 03:20:26 PM »
CB750 Racer Fan: The 650 motor I have has many problems with it, pistons stuck, rust, and damaged fins, plus I parted some of it out. It just isn't a viable option to use any more. I think I just like the look of the 550's top end over the 650 to much to do the 550 on steroids option you are suggesting.

Stev-o: I jumped the gun and disassembled the bikes a little while back so I couldn't try the "rocking method" but I did put the ATF/Acetone mixture you suggested to good use as you are about to read:


First thing I did once getting bikes #2 & 3 home was to disassemble both of them completely, mainly for easier storage but also to get access to both engines. I was unaware of the technique that Stev-o suggested before I did this (oh well, next time). On the bikes if one had something broken, the other had it in relatively good and working order so I shouldn't be lacking much for bike #2's build except for an exhaust. I will worry about that when the time comes.

Bikes positioned for tear down:



All the little parts:





Next goal was to get both engines freed up so I pulled the top ends off, down to the cylinders and let them sit with the ATF/Acetone "cocktail" for a couple of days. I had to cut the cam chain on both with a Dremel (I love those things, if you don't have one in your garage you should). For engine #2 I took the cautionary route.



Only a couple of the pistons were actually stuck to the cylinder wall so I was able to separate the jugs from the base. From there I was able to run a ratchet strap between the jugs and crankcase and suspend it from the ceiling so that gravity helped me as I beat on top of the stuck pistons with a block of wood and dead blow hammer.





*Sidenote: I suspended the engine through the accidental attic access I made when I put my lower half through the ceiling about a month back:



I only suspended the motor about an inch off the ground and every now again I would have to crank it a notch. Little by little the pistons gave up their stranglehold. This process although successful was long and tedious.






Getting engine #3 unstuck was much more exciting. It was all lawns chairs and gasoline thanks to member swan and his "How To" guide on setting motors on fire....on purpose http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=84354.0. I was hesitant to use this technique on my good engine but after that one took a good hour or two of manual labor, I was ready to take the lazy way out.

Engine #3 not on fire:



Engine #3 on fire:





We sat and watched the fire/oil combo work it's magic for about 30 minutes or so:





All it took after that to break the pistons loose was to fit a wrench to the bolt that holds the rotor on and hit it with a rubber mallet. I would suggest at this point in the game you keep the engine secured so burning hot ATF doesn't come splashing over the side of the jugs on you. The constant threat of this made things interesting but I managed to free the pistons with minimal effort and no burns.





Despite my previous doubts, I was able to accomplish the mission at hand and free up both engines in a day. Not bad for a self-taught mechanic. My goals for the upcoming week is to work on understanding and separating the crankcase on engine #3. I also have three racks of carbs that need to be disassembled, cleaned, and powder coated sitting on my work bench. Decisions, Decisions.......




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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2014, 04:58:53 PM »
Like that first pic of #3 on fire. 
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Re: 76 CB550K "Eleanor" Cafe Tribute
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2014, 05:35:50 PM »
Stev-o: I'm a big fan of that picture as well, I'm an even bigger fan of how easily it freed up the pistons.


I have been busy working on two things at once. Learning how to split the two crankcase halves as well as rebuilding the carburetors for bikes #1 and #2. I was moderately successfully at getting the crankcase apart with "training" engine #3  and had only some minor difficulties. There must have been water around the piston circlips and pins at one point or another because there was some bad corrosion that cemented them in place. I got around this by cutting the primary chain with my Dremel and left the crankshaft and pistons still semi attached to the top shell.

A couple of before pics:





Some type of corrosion, more evident on the second piston around the circlip:



My final product for engine #3:



I now have a general understanding of what it takes to split the crankcase on a CB550. I just wish I knew more about what each part of the transmission was designed to do. If anyone has any suggestions on highly educational write ups or even better, Youtube videos, on how these transmissions work let me know. I have Hondaman's book on the CB750 but the transmission portion goes over my head. I plan on rereading it anyways to see how I'm progressing with my mechanical understanding. I'm hoping little bits start to make sense now that I have gotten my hands on the 550's internals.

I'm not posting any pics of the progress I made on my carbs just yet. I'm about 90% done with one set and am quite proud of the result. The only thing stopping me from finishing them is a couple parts in the mail and then I will share.

 
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