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Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« on: September 22, 2017, 09:33:35 AM »
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I'm looking to fit new tyres on my CB650 project. I've got comstar 18x2.15 and 19x2.15 rims. I'm looking for tyres that have that racing look and would like the rear tyre to be quite wide. Any suggestions? I'm finding choosing the right tyre size hard that will fit my rims properly 🤔

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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2017, 09:39:58 AM »
I'm not sure what "quite wide" means to you. A 2.15 rim doesn't support a very wide tire, so if you are thinking modern 600 sport bike wide you are probably out of luck.
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My 2.15-18 rear Lester on my 550 came with a 130/80-18 on it, which seemed to fit fine and didn't have any chain or swing arm clearance issues.

If you go to the websites for the various tire makers they have tech spec's on their various tires that give recommended and minimum rim width information.
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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2017, 09:56:43 AM »
Do you want a nimble bike or just one that looks custom in the parking lot?

Changing any suspension geometry?
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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2017, 10:36:49 AM »
A 130 tire on a 2.15 rim is "quite wide" actually wider than it should be. The CBXes have the same diameter rims and they run a 130 on a 2.75. My 1100R has a 3.00x18 on the rear and I would not go wider than 150 max, even with the optional 3.50 I have, but not installed, a 150 would be the limit.
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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2017, 10:40:43 AM »
I'm also unsure what the OP means by "that racing look."  I surmise he does not want slicks, but maybe something more grippy like Avon RoadRides.
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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2017, 11:52:21 AM »
Hi thanks for the responses. I want something that looks good but also rideable so just finding the balance between the two. I think 130 or 140 max is the width I'm looking for


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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2017, 01:00:26 PM »
Then fit wider rims to the bike first.
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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2017, 08:04:27 AM »
Then fit wider rims to the bike first.

Well that's fairly obviously, I'm asking the question what could be possible with my current set up.

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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2017, 09:19:26 AM »
I've found there are only a few tire sets to fit 18 and 19" wheels in the first place.

Avon
Spitfire
Battlax
Metzeler

The battlax bt45's are a favorite here.

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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2017, 09:28:13 AM »
I have the pirelli sport demons on my 550. A little wider then I'd like, but they fit well and ride very nice. The back is ok, the front is a 100/90-19 because that's all it comes in. I'd rather a 90/90 but it doesn't hurt anything.


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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2017, 02:00:12 PM »
Then fit wider rims to the bike first.

Well that's fairly obviously, I'm asking the question what could be possible with my current set up.

This forum is fantastic, as it has a tremendous wealth of knowledge and experience that goes way beyond mine, it doesn't benefit from non constructive comments

Really?  Then why did you post this?   
Admonishing someone who is trying to help you, benefits the forum how?


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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2017, 02:01:51 PM »
I have the pirelli sport demons on my 550. A little wider then I'd like, but they fit well and ride very nice. The back is ok, the front is a 100/90-19 because that's all it comes in. I'd rather a 90/90 but it doesn't hurt anything.
Have you ridden a 550 wearing stock size tires and rims?

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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2017, 02:07:42 PM »
Then fit wider rims to the bike first.



Or just get a new bike!!!!
 

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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2017, 03:12:07 PM »

Or just get a new bike!!!!
Not bad advice, actually.

New bikes have wider tires as well as wider rims.
Stupid wide tires on narrow rims does NOT "upgrade" an old bike.  It degrades it performance wise.  Especially when the center tread flattens (if its ridden rather than an art project or a flip subject).
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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2017, 06:08:49 PM »
I'm not sure what "quite wide" means to you. A 2.15 rim doesn't support a very wide tire, so if you are thinking modern 600 sport bike wide you are probably out of luck.
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My 2.15-18 rear Lester on my 550 came with a 130/80-18 on it, which seemed to fit fine and didn't have any chain or swing arm clearance issues.

If you go to the websites for the various tire makers they have tech spec's on their various tires that give recommended and minimum rim width information.

+1 and if you see a bike with a wider tire they probably have a wider rim. 
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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2017, 06:37:51 PM »
I have the pirelli sport demons on my 550. A little wider then I'd like, but they fit well and ride very nice. The back is ok, the front is a 100/90-19 because that's all it comes in. I'd rather a 90/90 but it doesn't hurt anything.
Have you ridden a 550 wearing stock size tires and rims?

Cheers,

My rims are stock. What would you consider stock tires? 3.25-19? 90/90 is the closest equivalent isn't it? Are you telling me that I will feel a difference between a 90/90 and 100/90? When will I feel this exactly, when I'm carving out corners at 75mph? My 77 is more of a mileage eater than any type of racer or show bike. I use it to commute and it does it well.


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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2017, 07:55:08 PM »

My rims are stock. What would you consider stock tires? 3.25-19? 90/90 is the closest equivalent isn't it? Are you telling me that I will feel a difference between a 90/90 and 100/90? When will I feel this exactly, when I'm carving out corners at 75mph? My 77 is more of a mileage eater than any type of racer or show bike. I use it to commute and it does it well.


I did a lot of commuting with the CB550.  The widest rear tire I put on those rims in the rear was 120/90 18.  Tire salesmen convinced me that wider was better, which suited their profit purposes.
 They didn't handle that bad when brand new, but was so squirmy that I had to run higher tire pressures to stiffen the unsupported sidewalls.  As the tire wore, it wore mostly in the center, which made the tire lose its radiused tread profile.  A new 120 fixed that, but the symptom recurred with mileage, of course.  The loss of tread radius meant that one had to push the low bar in turns in order to keep your turn line.  This is quite noticeable on freeway on/off ramp sweepers and winding roads.  And the more the rear squared off, the more push was required.  It is manageable, but, as I learned, unnecessary.

You're right the 90/90 is the closest metric size to 3.25 19.  But if you convert that to inch size to metric equivalent  3.25 = 82.55mm/100 percent aspect ratio or 82.5mm and 82.5mm tall, whereas a 90/90 is 90mm wide and 81mm tall.
The 90/90 metric is not terribly bad for the front.  But, I've driven 550s with a 100/90 and it was like a truck in comparison. Must push bars for even the slightest turn.  Hardly any response to body leaning and none for a head nod.

When I learned that the stock inch size tires were still available, even if they do have to be ordered special, I decided to try those. 3.25 19 front and 4.00 18 rear.  I know it should have 3.75 rear.  But, not easy to find in a quality tire, like Metzelers. Of course, new tires always feel better when replacing ones worn out, but the neutral handling and utter predictabilty of the bike was completely restored.  No need to push or pull bars for turn line stability.  You can drive about just with head leaning for many turns and return to straight ahead the same way.  Body leaning works, too.  No, I don't normally drive hands off bars.  But, any hand pressure for turning is mostly unneeded.  It doesn't seem like much, but it is far less fatiguing when not fighting the bars.  This is the neutral handling the CB550 is famous for.  And the 750 works pretty much the same way, except it has a higher CG and more weight, as well.  So, not quite a nimble.
During commutes, the bike is just more responsive requiring less focus on getting the bike's tires exactly where you want them on the road.  Since using the stock size tires, I haven't squared off the tread of any of the stock size tires, as I can run with the low pressures intended for the bike and still have the sidewalls supported properly.
While I don't think they still have the same tread radius as when brand new, the radius has not changed so much as to make a dramatic change in turning bar pressure needed.

Finally, I worry that tire manufacturers will abandon the inch sizes, to streamline their production costs.  Certainly there are less offerings now for inch sizes than in the past, even now.  But, if demand evaporates, so will ANY offerings.

Then there won't be any neutral handling 550s anywhere.

Will the bike still roll and drive with metric tires?  Yes, of course.  Will the bike lose it's unique and pleasant driving character?  I believe so.  The 550 with proper tires is more like wearing the bike and it becomes a natural extension of what you do with your body.  With the metrics, the bike was more in command and your body was just dragged along for the ride, apart from shoulder, arm, and hand pressure.  I came to enjoy the former.

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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2017, 10:43:42 AM »

My rims are stock. What would you consider stock tires? 3.25-19? 90/90 is the closest equivalent isn't it? Are you telling me that I will feel a difference between a 90/90 and 100/90? When will I feel this exactly, when I'm carving out corners at 75mph? My 77 is more of a mileage eater than any type of racer or show bike. I use it to commute and it does it well.


I did a lot of commuting with the CB550.  The widest rear tire I put on those rims in the rear was 120/90 18.  Tire salesmen convinced me that wider was better, which suited their profit purposes.
 They didn't handle that bad when brand new, but was so squirmy that I had to run higher tire pressures to stiffen the unsupported sidewalls.  As the tire wore, it wore mostly in the center, which made the tire lose its radiused tread profile.  A new 120 fixed that, but the symptom recurred with mileage, of course.  The loss of tread radius meant that one had to push the low bar in turns in order to keep your turn line.  This is quite noticeable on freeway on/off ramp sweepers and winding roads.  And the more the rear squared off, the more push was required.  It is manageable, but, as I learned, unnecessary.

You're right the 90/90 is the closest metric size to 3.25 19.  But if you convert that to inch size to metric equivalent  3.25 = 82.55mm/100 percent aspect ratio or 82.5mm and 82.5mm tall, whereas a 90/90 is 90mm wide and 81mm tall.
The 90/90 metric is not terribly bad for the front.  But, I've driven 550s with a 100/90 and it was like a truck in comparison. Must push bars for even the slightest turn.  Hardly any response to body leaning and none for a head nod.

When I learned that the stock inch size tires were still available, even if they do have to be ordered special, I decided to try those. 3.25 19 front and 4.00 18 rear.  I know it should have 3.75 rear.  But, not easy to find in a quality tire, like Metzelers. Of course, new tires always feel better when replacing ones worn out, but the neutral handling and utter predictabilty of the bike was completely restored.  No need to push or pull bars for turn line stability.  You can drive about just with head leaning for many turns and return to straight ahead the same way.  Body leaning works, too.  No, I don't normally drive hands off bars.  But, any hand pressure for turning is mostly unneeded.  It doesn't seem like much, but it is far less fatiguing when not fighting the bars.  This is the neutral handling the CB550 is famous for.  And the 750 works pretty much the same way, except it has a higher CG and more weight, as well.  So, not quite a nimble.
During commutes, the bike is just more responsive requiring less focus on getting the bike's tires exactly where you want them on the road.  Since using the stock size tires, I haven't squared off the tread of any of the stock size tires, as I can run with the low pressures intended for the bike and still have the sidewalls supported properly.
While I don't think they still have the same tread radius as when brand new, the radius has not changed so much as to make a dramatic change in turning bar pressure needed.

Finally, I worry that tire manufacturers will abandon the inch sizes, to streamline their production costs.  Certainly there are less offerings now for inch sizes than in the past, even now.  But, if demand evaporates, so will ANY offerings.

Then there won't be any neutral handling 550s anywhere.

Will the bike still roll and drive with metric tires?  Yes, of course.  Will the bike lose it's unique and pleasant driving character?  I believe so.  The 550 with proper tires is more like wearing the bike and it becomes a natural extension of what you do with your body.  With the metrics, the bike was more in command and your body was just dragged along for the ride, apart from shoulder, arm, and hand pressure.  I came to enjoy the former.

Cheers,

Yes I understand completely what you mean and you're right tire manufacturers are abandoning older sizes completely. In the vintage car world anyone trying to find a 13" that's any larger than a wheelbarrow will have quite some trouble. My rear has always been a 110. It's the front that is a 100 and again really only out of frustration trying to find a matching set.

On the other hand, there are people running firestone deluxe champions in the correct size that would probably have a hard time competing with the tires I have on. Lol


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Re: Sports tyres CB650 comstar rims
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2017, 10:52:53 AM »
Even 14" tires for my MG are getting scarce
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