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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #50 on: July 06, 2023, 10:28:33 AM »
I lean right but it hangs to the left. I call that balance

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2023, 11:14:08 AM »
I lean right but it hangs to the left. I call that balance

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I sling mine over the shoulder and then back down to the waist to tie it around my waist...
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2023, 03:42:58 PM »
I lean right but it hangs to the left. I call that balance

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2023, 05:49:10 PM »
Well this thread has sure devolved rather quickly! 🙈🙉🙊
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2023, 06:00:11 PM »
Reflecting on the post's original question, I've decided the short answer is...
Yes.
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2023, 06:07:04 PM »
Well if a bunch of people quit bragging about their imaginary junk size we would still be talking about the joy and angst of motorcycles. ::)
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2023, 06:10:41 PM »
Part of the joy and often the angst is the size of your....


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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2023, 06:21:16 PM »
Part of the joy and often the angst is the size of your....


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Mine is bigger than yours...
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2023, 07:58:01 PM »
At least it is NOT a "never mind, please delete" thread derailment
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #59 on: July 06, 2023, 07:59:54 PM »
Line out of movie City Slickers comes to mind but I will refrain from sharing it for fear of further off the rails segue
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2023, 08:36:30 AM »
Reflecting on the post's original question, I've decided the short answer is...
Yes.

The same answer any man with two penises would give when his tailor asks him if he dresses to the left or to the right
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2023, 10:16:46 AM »
This thread is full of many of things that have gone through my head over the years. I'm 35 with a formal grad education in molecular biology (nowadays a keyboarder as you'd call it getting paid to think and type), but I was raised in a blue collar trades home. Every man in my family on both sides in the trades. This gave me a great appreciation for knowing how to fix things (and many examples of how the 'book' was not fit for real life). I may have chose a path in life that puts me at the desk conceptualizing the metaphorical motorcycle, but it is not lost on me the art of actually physically building it, the QC, fixing/maintaining it, and the appreciation of that side of the job and career choice. It takes both kinds of people. Unfortunately, the modern world prioritizes the former group over the latter these days and you get short-lived, planned obsolesce in today's products. In kind, you get a generation of people who don't value learning to fix something that breaks and goes away too quickly. It's better to have broad user knowledge and be adaptable then it is to have deep understanding (or have time in the saddle teaching you know things work).

To me, it is far more satisfying to return something to its former glory to see it live again; to spend my most precious resource (time) maintaining something out of love and personal joy (knowing it will always need this despite my best efforts) then it is to buy it new. I view much of my life this way. It's a love what you got situation (CSNY was also right about the relationship side of this as well).

I agree with many of the comments made in this thread, however; I would like to add my 2 cents being of the millennial generation (which is no longer truly young, but somehow stays in the news as the avocado toast generation):

I see the same pockets of younger kids who appreciate the old just as this forum does (and most likely is of the same stock as you old geezers in the younger shell. Hell I know I am. Old man trapped in a younger man's body. Yes, I know my time will come!). However, younger people are not always incentivized to choose the path that will lead them here. A case of "they don't know what they don't know." Fixing old stuff is still fun. Living by those hard earned principles required to fix old stuff is not as widespread as it once was. It's the equivalent of the last true cowboy in some respects. It's not that those skills are not appreciated (or even desired), but scratching out an existence is harder (and requires one to truly believe/live those hard principles gained) despite what you see successful everyday in the world. I think there will be a shift back in the future. All is cyclical. (steps off pedestal).

Anyway, my point is that this is a great forum and a wonderful source of information regarding not just old bikes, but life. Just want to express my appreciation for this. You old guys may not be teaching younger guys in the old ways you were once use to, but you are still having a significant impact though a more modern approach (the good old keyboard you may or may not hate).

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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #62 on: July 07, 2023, 11:05:25 AM »
This thread is full of many of things that have gone through my head over the years. I'm 35 with a formal grad education in molecular biology (nowadays a keyboarder as you'd call it getting paid to think and type), but I was raised in a blue collar trades home. Every man in my family on both sides in the trades. This gave me a great appreciation for knowing how to fix things (and many examples of how the 'book' was not fit for real life). I may have chose a path in life that puts me at the desk conceptualizing the metaphorical motorcycle, but it is not lost on me the art of actually physically building it, the QC, fixing/maintaining it, and the appreciation of that side of the job and career choice. It takes both kinds of people. Unfortunately, the modern world prioritizes the former group over the latter these days and you get short-lived, planned obsolesce in today's products. In kind, you get a generation of people who don't value learning to fix something that breaks and goes away too quickly. It's better to have broad user knowledge and be adaptable then it is to have deep understanding (or have time in the saddle teaching you know things work).

To me, it is far more satisfying to return something to its former glory to see it live again; to spend my most precious resource (time) maintaining something out of love and personal joy (knowing it will always need this despite my best efforts) then it is to buy it new. I view much of my life this way. It's a love what you got situation (CSNY was also right about the relationship side of this as well).

I agree with many of the comments made in this thread, however; I would like to add my 2 cents being of the millennial generation (which is no longer truly young, but somehow stays in the news as the avocado toast generation):

I see the same pockets of younger kids who appreciate the old just as this forum does (and most likely is of the same stock as you old geezers in the younger shell. Hell I know I am. Old man trapped in a younger man's body. Yes, I know my time will come!). However, younger people are not always incentivized to choose the path that will lead them here. A case of "they don't know what they don't know." Fixing old stuff is still fun. Living by those hard earned principles required to fix old stuff is not as widespread as it once was. It's the equivalent of the last true cowboy in some respects. It's not that those skills are not appreciated (or even desired), but scratching out an existence is harder (and requires one to truly believe/live those hard principles gained) despite what you see successful everyday in the world. I think there will be a shift back in the future. All is cyclical. (steps off pedestal).

Anyway, my point is that this is a great forum and a wonderful source of information regarding not just old bikes, but life. Just want to express my appreciation for this. You old guys may not be teaching younger guys in the old ways you were once use to, but you are still having a significant impact though a more modern approach (the good old keyboard you may or may not hate).

This is an excellent post. I met some old head at a bike/ car meet yesterday who owns a V12 BMW E31 that he restored, and an old Z that he is almost done rebuilding. I told him how impressed I was that he had done all of the work himself, and he made humble murmurings about how fixing things is just deductive diagnosis. I said, "right, but you're an engineer and presumably that mindset is part of your personality - I'm an artist, and I have no idea what I'm doing." He said, "you might be an artist, but you're clearly an engineer too. The engineer part is clear from how you've gotten that thing running properly, and the artist part is clear from how you used your hands to build something beautiful that you imagined in your head." I know I'm blowing smoke up my own behind here, but it was one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me.

Learning to fix things is more intimidating than it is difficult. If something isn't working, there is a reason why. So you think of and/ or research all the things it could possibly be based on the symptoms you have, and then cross off those things until it works again.

There isn't much that can't be fixed on these bikes, it turns out. The only inhibitors are time, money, and lack of determination.

Like you, I am dumping paycheck after paycheck into vintage bike
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2023, 04:44:22 PM »
Learning to fix things is more intimidating than it is difficult. If something isn't working, there is a reason why. So you think of and/ or research all the things it could possibly be based on the symptoms you have, and then cross off those things until it works again.

That was how I started out, but after a while it became easier to just take "it" apart until I found whatever was causing the trouble (cars, bikes, house...) while trying to also remember how to put it back together.

Then I ended up going thru schooling, learning how to 'create from scratch' new things. This was/has been absolutely the MOST fun in my life, though for now America has shuffled this task off to other countries, accepting less-than-stellar engineering in the resultant products (witness disposable EVERYTHING, because it wasn't made to last long enough to be repaired). These bikes shine, along with a few old Detroit offerings (like the Mustang, now buildable from scratch without a single Ford part) as examples of what can happen when the design was thoughtful enough to prevent a bad review being cast upon the designer(s).

When you do things with that mindset, it turns out to last a mighty long time. ;)
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2023, 08:07:32 PM »
R&D is like tattoos. Good R&D isn't cheap and cheap R&D isn't good. Unfortunately, cheap R&D is king now.
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2023, 12:48:16 PM »
Learning to fix things is more intimidating than it is difficult. If something isn't working, there is a reason why. So you think of and/ or research all the things it could possibly be based on the symptoms you have, and then cross off those things until it works again.

That was how I started out, but after a while it became easier to just take "it" apart until I found whatever was causing the trouble (cars, bikes, house...) while trying to also remember how to put it back together.

Then I ended up going thru schooling, learning how to 'create from scratch' new things. This was/has been absolutely the MOST fun in my life, though for now America has shuffled this task off to other countries, accepting less-than-stellar engineering in the resultant products (witness disposable EVERYTHING, because it wasn't made to last long enough to be repaired). These bikes shine, along with a few old Detroit offerings (like the Mustang, now buildable from scratch without a single Ford part) as examples of what can happen when the design was thoughtful enough to prevent a bad review being cast upon the designer(s).

When you do things with that mindset, it turns out to last a mighty long time. ;)

I’m hoping to get to that point. I don’t yet have the knowledge or confidence to just dig into something to diagnose it. I prefer to have a checklist, a plan. I’m a total space cadet, so it’s easy for me to become confused or overwhelmed or forget where something goes.
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Re: Motorcycling: Joy or angst outlet?
« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2023, 04:59:39 PM »
Hate to break up a good old fashioned generational disparaging.

But

Ya'll really need to check out some of the creator channels on youtube.  While some young people are certainly dancing around half naked for "likes".
There's also a whole slew of talent practicing and producing some incredible things.  If there is an artisanal trade, there's a youtuber out there doing it.

As for the rest of societies ails.  Take a look at who the decision makers were.  Likely wasn't anyone under the age of 30 calling the shots.