Author Topic: A brand new SOHC in the Honda line. (Read 9751 times)

rbmgf7 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 24, 2012, 05:19:58 PM »

Quote from: 754 on January 23, 2012, 08:54:52 PM

The New Buell.. you trying to make us gag

The bike this thread is about.. cant even remberhow iot looked.. the only image I got is the naked pic, and what it could become...

By that I meant the styling and concept of a V-Twin in a naked/standard/sportbike-esque setup.

Not, in any way, to replace the brilliant and innovative bikes created by Buell.

Chill out before you have a seizure.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #26 on:** January 25, 2012, 12:46:34 AM »

We've had the MT01 in Aus since 2005.... You guys do seem to miss out on some great bikes....

the technological J · « **Reply #27 on:** January 25, 2012, 09:11:21 PM »

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/624/12044/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Honda-NC700X-First-Look.aspx

754 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 25, 2012, 09:31:07 PM »

I still think you coulkd build a cool custom cruiser out of that platform, after you get rid of ther bodywork...

the technological J · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2012, 08:53:14 PM »

http://ashonbikes.com/content/honda-nc700x-0
according to this it has 51 hp and is alittle lacking on the highway.... that doesnt soften my boner for this bike

and i think the white looks wicked(bottom of the page)

Model tested: Honda NC700X
UK price: £5,850
Available: January 2012 (DCT version, April 2012)
Engine: twin cylinder, liquid cooled, sohc 8v, 670cc
Power: 51bhp (52PS, 38.1kW) @ 6,250rpm (UK Market: 47bhp (48PS, 35kW) for the manual version, 38kW for the DCT option)
Torque: 44lb.ft (6.1kgm, 60Nm) @ 4,750rpm
Economy: 70mpg (24.8km/l, 4.04l/100km, 58mpg US) (est typical everyday)
Tank/Range: 3.1 gallon (14.1 litre, 3.7 gallons US) / 220 miles (350km)
Transmission: Six gears, wet multi-plate clutch, chain final drive
Chassis: tubular steel
Seat height: 32.7in (830mm)
Wheelbase: 60.6in (1540mm)
Rake/trail: 27° / 4.3in (110mm)
Weight: 481lb (228kg) wet

Xnavylfr · « **Reply #30 on:** January 29, 2012, 06:04:56 AM »

Hasn't HONDA learned something since the invent of the SOHC 750? the first ones came out with over 60HP and it don't take much to make THAT come alive.I just can't see making a cross-country on that with some of our mountain peaks at over 10k feet in the Rockies, you would need to throw a rope on the trailer hitch of a car to get you over the top. The higher you go in elevation the less air and less POWER,, sorry not for me. To each his own, I wouldn't want to ride bent over the tank for very long (I'm 60) give me a Recliner with TOURQUE that can ride 2 up + all the gear ,at 75mph and only turning 2500rpms.

Xnavylfr(CHUCK)

Frankencake · « **Reply #31 on:** January 29, 2012, 07:00:07 AM »

Quote from: Xnavylfr on January 29, 2012, 06:04:56 AM

Hasn't HONDA learned something since the invent of the SOHC 750? the first ones came out with over 60HP and it don't take much to make THAT come alive.I just can't see making a cross-country on that with some of our mountain peaks at over 10k feet in the Rockies, you would need to throw a rope on the trailer hitch of a car to get you over the top. The higher you go in elevation the less air and less POWER,, sorry not for me. To each his own, I wouldn't want to ride bent over the tank for very long (I'm 60) give me a Recliner with TOURQUE that can ride 2 up + all the gear ,at 75mph and only turning 2500rpms.

Xnavylfr(CHUCK)

I believe that the fuel injection system would compensate for the change in air density. That was the whole purpose of EFI to begin with.

754 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 29, 2012, 10:06:49 AM »

I dont doubt that EFI can make it better or best it can be, but it will still suffer at altitude..
As far as I know the only thing that can maybe overcome altitude is forced induction..

eldar · « **Reply #33 on:** January 29, 2012, 04:14:27 PM »

Considering you shun any bike without a kickstarter, which would therefore include virtual all bikes with efi, I am not sure what you would know about it. While some performance drop may happen, it will most likely do better than a bike with carbs. After all, to avoid loss, you must rejet carbs for large altitude changes. Efi can account for most of these changes.

754 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 29, 2012, 06:48:32 PM »

I screwed up it should have read "I DONT doubt".. going to change that. What I meant was, Efi can correct the mixture, but at high altitude performance can still suffer..
I run carbs that are supposed to be altitude sensitive, but 4000ft elevation diff, dont bother it much..

Frankencake · « **Reply #35 on:** January 29, 2012, 07:10:32 PM »

Quote from: 754 on January 29, 2012, 06:48:32 PM

I run carbs that are supposed to be altitude sensitive, but 4000ft elevation diff, dont bother it much..

At WOT how would you notice?

the technological J · « **Reply #36 on:** January 29, 2012, 08:06:53 PM »

would this thing be anygood for touring?

eldar · « **Reply #37 on:** January 29, 2012, 08:12:10 PM »

Ok, gotcha Frank. Simple typo. Like you though, this bike does not do it for me. If I am getting a new bike, it needs to be a decent upgrade. This bike is not that. Now, I was looking at an 06 yamaha fz6. That is an upgrade. More HP, more brakes, better handling, and lighter weight. Maybe I shouldn't say "upgrade" but a suitable "other" bike.

Tech J, I don't think it would offer any benefits on touring over a standard 750. Maybe slight but enough to make it worth it?

754 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 29, 2012, 08:13:27 PM »

Here is what I noticed a 11,000 feet at that time I think I was running 77K 750 carbs.. bike was gutless, had trouble doing 95mph..
BUT it was still faster than all the cars, the motor homes were really slow and belching black smoke.. I crossed 6 passes that were 11K feet in 2 or 3 days.

In everyday use most of the passes around here are at the 5Klevel and we live at 1100-1300 feet, when IZ am running Webers, they dont feel like they are running badsly at that altitude change.. our local 1/8 mile strip is over 4000feet!!

tech J are you referring to the bike the thread is about?

the technological J · « **Reply #39 on:** January 29, 2012, 10:34:45 PM »

Quote from: 754 on January 29, 2012, 08:13:27 PM

tech J are you referring to the bike the thread is about?

ya with its fully dressed look it would seem that its a decent bike and capable of many things... like high way and some off road

Xnavylfr · « **Reply #40 on:** January 30, 2012, 06:01:22 AM »

If EVERYONE here that have actually ridden more than 1 tank of gas on ANY bike ,double up and packed, will admit that bike is not sufficient for LONG range riding IN COMFORT!! A BEEMER set up the same can take you a 100K miles with smiles. I know this is a SOHC forum and I own 2 as choppers but my long range HI-WAY bike is a 2000 1600cc ROADSTAR. The comfort level is what people look for on long trips. I can ride the STAR thru 2 tanks and not even realize I've ridden that far( 400+ miles) and thats loaded. Thats running 75-80mph the whole time.
EFI is great technology but let something go screwy in the cpu and it will cost a GRAND to get you going again. NEW tech doesn't always mean better!! Just means MO MONEY MO MONEY.
Give me a set of points and carbs and with just a little tweak of a screw you'll get over those MOUNTAINS.

Xnavylfr(CHUCK)

eldar · « **Reply #41 on:** January 30, 2012, 07:48:32 AM »

A grand for the efi? Seems a bit outrageous. The controller for the Shiver is about $350. And ECUs are pretty solid, very few failures.
Besides, seems to me a good set of carbs can easily reach $500. But, if we want to talk money, I can port the head and 836 the bike for way less then what you paid for your Star.
Bottom line is that touring is subjective to what a person likes. I can do 500+ miles a day on my CB with little butt soreness. On a cruiser though, 150-200 tops. I do not like the "all your mass on your ass" ride of a cruiser. If I am riding solo, I can subtly change my riding position buy putting my feet on the passenger pegs. Maybe not super safe but no worse than highway pegs.

Personal preference man, personal preference.

brooze72 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 30, 2012, 10:35:46 AM »

Quote from: eldar on January 30, 2012, 07:48:32 AM

Bottom line is that touring is subjective to what a person likes. I can do 500+ miles a day on my CB with little butt soreness. On a cruiser though, 150-200 tops. I do not like the "all your mass on your ass" ride of a cruiser. If I am riding solo, I can subtly change my riding position buy putting my feet on the passenger pegs. Maybe not super safe but no worse than highway pegs.

Personal preference man, personal preference.

+1 Eldar, personal preference & for sure, I would add, it's also what you're used to/comfortable with. I'm so used to my CB, that everytime I jump on some other bike it mosty feels weird, maybe it would become normal feeling after a few days in the saddle.

I found the review under the link posted by Tech J interesting, if you read it, the writer says that Honda wanted to go in a different direction with this motor & chassis. He said it was not like a traditional UJM & admitted it would not appeal to all riders, at least that's some of what I got out of it.

754 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 30, 2012, 10:49:27 AM »

Like I said this could become a very interesting style of bike with some mods, something all the other nmodels are not capable of.. without builkding a whole frame..

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #44 on:** January 30, 2012, 03:47:28 PM »

Quote from: eldar on January 30, 2012, 07:48:32 AM

A grand for the efi? Seems a bit outrageous. The controller for the Shiver is about $350. And ECUs are pretty solid, very few failures.
Besides, seems to me a good set of carbs can easily reach $500. But, if we want to talk money, I can port the head and 836 the bike for way less then what you paid for your Star.
Bottom line is that touring is subjective to what a person likes. I can do 500+ miles a day on my CB with little butt soreness. On a cruiser though, 150-200 tops. I do not like the "all your mass on your ass" ride of a cruiser. If I am riding solo, I can subtly change my riding position buy putting my feet on the passenger pegs. Maybe not super safe but no worse than highway pegs.

Personal preference man, personal preference.

+1 Eldar. I have done many 1000 mile + rides on lots of different bikes including 750 Honda's, Gsxr's, CBX750 Honda, GPX 750 Kawasaki's and lots more, i find i get "bum fatigue" at roughly the same distances. I also dislike the "weight on the bum" feel of cruisers, i like to have a little more weight on my wrists and let the breeze hold my weight, gives me more control over my ride....
Horses for courses......

Xnavylfr · « **Reply #45 on:** January 30, 2012, 03:49:13 PM »

ELDAR,
Bet you can't. I got it for 1250$ and a 78KZ1000 for trade. Yes to each his own, I know a guy in our CB group that has his double IRON BUTT and it was all done on a CB750 SOHC RIDGID CHOPPER. I know the KZ was extremely fast 0-60 in 2 sec. but I couldn't ride it much more than 200 miles at a time or I wouldn't be able to move for a few days. On the STAR I've ridden well over 300 miles and didn't relize we'd ridden that far.. Just trust me when I say , the older you get ,the more comfort you'll want under your butt when riding. I was the same when I was 20 , once drove 33 straight hours with only caffiene to keep me going, but now at three time that age, If I drive 12 hours I'm whipped. The other SENIORS on here will concur!!

Xnavylfr(CHUCK)

Frankencake · « **Reply #46 on:** January 30, 2012, 03:55:06 PM »

What did you fly in the Navy?

Xnavylfr · « **Reply #47 on:** January 30, 2012, 04:13:30 PM »

I was a AIRCRAFT MECHANIC,
Worked on F-9 Banshee in A school (1969)
F-4B/J
S-3A
C121+ EC121
P-3+EP-3
A-6E
T-28
T-39
I have worked aviation (commercial Jets) since retiring from the NAVY in 1989. Now since I have a blown left ACL I'm Riding when and where I want to, nad builing riders from throw aways.

Xnavylfr(CHUCK) X NAVY LIFER

Frankencake · « **Reply #48 on:** January 30, 2012, 04:51:55 PM »

Quote from: Xnavylfr on January 30, 2012, 04:13:30 PM

I was a AIRCRAFT MECHANIC,
Worked on F-9 Banshee in A school (1969)
F-4B/J
S-3A
C121+ EC121
P-3+EP-3
A-6E
T-28
T-39
I have worked aviation (commercial Jets) since retiring from the NAVY in 1989. Now since I have a blown left ACL I'm Riding when and where I want to, nad builing riders from throw aways.

Xnavylfr(CHUCK) X NAVY LIFER

Right! My brain read it as flyer rather than lifer. My mistake. That's why I'm not trusted with important information.....

eldar · « **Reply #49 on:** January 30, 2012, 05:51:16 PM »

Quote

Bet you can't. I got it for 1250$ and a 78KZ1000 for trade.

And I bet the type of bike matters. Considering not every bike is priced the same, I am pretty confident of that.
I do doubt a kz from 78 would do a 0-60 in 2 seconds considering a cbr1000 requires 3, is lighter, and has more power.
As for comfort and age, I doubt that too. A fat seat cruiser makes my lower back hurt from the seating position. Yet I ride 500+ mile runs in 1 day without a windshield.
Not everyone is the same, oh, and while not 60, I am also not 20, close to double that actually. I will do a roadhawk before I do a cruiser.

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Author Topic: A brand new SOHC in the Honda line. (Read 9751 times)