Topic: Aurora, CO movie theater shooting

[luap]

If a truck fitted with an extra large fuel tank is used to murder a schoolyard full of children, are you going to then say society would be safer if we ban all extra large fuel tanks for the general populace?  I am, of course, assuming you personally have no need or desire to own an extra large fuel tank.
that was a pretty petty comment directed to a member- after he voices his opinion- talking down to him as if he is a child
Ill take a Poll on it

[MCRider]

Sir you are confused. The thank goodness part was part of your quote that got mixed up because I'm typing on my phone. Youthink it is an absolute right, you are the one wishing it is something it is not.  It is  already limited. The discusion if there were one is about where that line should be.

Again I'm done. This is now just a waste of time.

Its limited by law. I think those laws are in conflict with the Constitution. When those laws are contested, like the Washington DC handgun ban, the Supreme Court sides with the Constitution in overturning them. It's a process, i can accept that. And yes I think its an absolute right. I do not accept that there is a line. I support those who fight for the right, and oppose those who don't. That's how it works.

"Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. said: "It is clear that the Framers . . . counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty."

There is no qualification as to which arms, or where or when.

[Duke McDukiedook]

If a truck fitted with an extra large fuel tank is used to murder a schoolyard full of children, are you going to then say society would be safer if we ban all extra large fuel tanks for the general populace?  I am, of course, assuming you personally have no need or desire to own an extra large fuel tank.
that was a pretty petty comment directed to a member- after he voices his opinion- talking down to him as if he is a child
Ill take a Poll on it

I see no pettiness in his comment, he is making a point whereas you decided to direct a personal attack on him.
Hence the pettiness comment.

 

 

[HondaMan]

... and planes on conveyor belts.

I just felt a twinge of nostalgia.

Was that the B24?

[Duke McDukiedook]

Well JeffSTL, I just read a poll right here that 92.35% of forum readers disagree with you about your poll, what do you think about that?
I can conduct and produce all kinds of polls that will support just about damn near anything I want it to.
And you keep saying you are done yet I still see you here posting away.
 

luap, please stop with the personal attacks on TT, you are beginning to really show your pettiness here.

Sorry I have a hard time not ccorrecting facts. I'm trying tto quit. I feel like i'm swatting flies now.

I would lend you my flyswatter but you may disagree with the tool I choose to use so I will refrain from doing so.

And what are these "facts" you feel you need to correct, I do not follow.

[Duke McDukiedook]

... and planes on conveyor belts.

I just felt a twinge of nostalgia.

Was that the B24?

Hey now, we all know that dog don't fly... 

[JeffSTL]

I feel like my comments were well reasoned and topical.  If I have offended anyone I APOLOGIZE It seems this is purely political which is limited by this forum.

To be clear I never said you don't have the right to own a gun I have a couple myself.  Again, sorry if anyone was offended by anything I said.

[MCRider]

I feel like my comments were well reasoned and topical.  If I have offended anyone I APOLOGIZE It seems this is purely political which is limited by this forum.

To be clear I never said you don't have the right to own a gun I have a couple myself.  Again, sort if anyone was offended by anything I said.

Me too. Back to 2 wheels. 

[Gordon]

I feel like my comments were well reasoned and topical.  If I have offended anyone I APOLOGIZE It seems this is purely political which is limited by this forum.

To be clear I never said you don't have the right to own a gun I have a couple myself.  Again, sort if anyone was offended by anything I said.

You forgot to say "I'm done".

 

[Duke McDukiedook]

I feel like my comments were well reasoned and topical.  If I have offended anyone I APOLOGIZE It seems this is purely political which is limited by this forum.

To be clear I never said you don't have the right to own a gun I have a couple myself.  Again, sort if anyone was offended by anything I said.

I don't think anyone misunderstood that you don't want that right taken away, you want limits. We understand that.

The argument regarding any gun bans is not political, it is semantics. People CHOOSE to make it political to further their agendas.

Like I said before the second amendment is quite clear in what the writers envisioned and they were thinking about the future and technology when they wrote it.

[LesterPiglet]

Funny no one has mentioned the violence in Ireland and warring that previously had caused lots of deaths due to guns and bombs. What role did GBritian have in that conflict?

That's a different kettle of fish. That was almost civil war not criminal activity.

[JeffSTL]

Thankks Gordon, I was trying to be serious.

Typing on this touch screen phone is painful.

[goldarrow]

With all facts, evidence, myths, etc...laid out on the table, this case will be 10+ years long, and he might walk away as a free man and costing tax payers millions of dollars. Guilty or not, we all loose. Just my 5 cents.

[Duke McDukiedook]

With all facts, evidence, myths, etc...laid out on the table, this case will be 10+ years long, and he might walk away as a free man and costing tax payers millions of dollars. Guilty or not, we all loose. Just my 5 cents.

No, as lawyers like to say this case will be a "slam dunk" for the prosecutors, it just depends on how long they want to drag it out and what they want to charge him with.

[simon#42]

With all facts, evidence, myths, etc...laid out on the table, this case will be 10+ years long, and he might walk away as a free man and costing tax payers millions of dollars. Guilty or not, we all loose. Just my 5 cents.

No, as lawyers like to say this case will be a "slam dunk" for the prosecutors, it just depends on how long they want to drag it out and what they want to charge him with.

i think it will go on as long as the lawyers are making a fortune out of it , they must be rubbing their hands together this will put their kids through university .

[Duke McDukiedook]

He is being represented by a public defender who is paid decently but not anywhere near the private practice lawyer salaries.
 

[Spikeybike]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this subject.

This phrase should be automatically tacked on to every post in any thread regarding gun control, oil, helmets, dynabeads and planes on conveyor belts.











 

gordon i just about spit pepsi all over my computer  ( it was the plane on conveyor  belt that got me)

[bikerbart]

How about, Does the USA has a problem with gun violence?Yes or No?

[Spikeybike]

come on man , you live here , you know the answer   

                                                                we could talk about religion, don't think thats been touched on yet in this thread     

[bikerbart]

FYI,my 18 yr old nephew was just shot point blank range and killed.By his 'buddies' he hung out with,one was a loud mouth,show off,loved to play with his 9mm he bought on the street,they all thought it was Bad ass.Until the gun went off while they were being 18 yr old boys.I used to think
 differently about guns,I was a friggin jarhead,war,medals,seeing dead bodies in war is not nice,when its your own family,its different.I dont wave a flag anymore.I think we as a country have a problem,just my opinion.

[scottly]

Sorry about your loss, Bart....

[Spikeybike]

I think we as a country have a problem,just my opinion.

thats alot of people's opinion my friend , including me..     ..if you ask me, the glorification of war in general is a big part of the problem .  our government pushes war down our throats pretty much from birth, .. little green army men,  water guns that look real, "support the troops" stickers and t-shirts ..  and i swear to god i'll have an aneurysm  if someone says "freedom isn't free" one more #$%*in time

we march around the globe telling the world how to act , but we're so shocked when someone does it home ...




....sorry man , i'm half in the bag already , and maybe this isn't the thread to sound off in right now

[bikerbart]

yup.I am looking at things differently,not so proud anymore.Thinking different.Its nice to go to canada,they re not us.Its a way of thinking,The 'murican way is ,well,questionable to say the least.Freedom isnt free makes me want to puke.we all realize that those freedoms you all keep talking about are pretty much null and void after the patriot act,right?Are you all that ignorant of the fact.

[Duke McDukiedook]

I am sorry to hear about that also Bart, guns can be very dangerous in the wrong hands.
I agree with a lot of your points about our fair republic but I fail to see what that has to do with our second amendment rights. I am not trying to sound like an uberpatriotic, flag waving, gun totin' Uhmerican goofball.

Your points about the patriot act and other acts our government have taken against the public make our second amendment rights that much more vital as our country creeps slowly towards a police big brother/nanny state. Cameras at every intersection, on the highways, gun shot microphones, black box rooms at the phone companies.

[Spanner 1]

Sheesh, I'm sooo glad about that Dukie, that your not trying to sound like an uberpatrotic, flag waving, gun totin' Uhmerican goofball. Very well said IMO and needed to be said, thank you.