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Onan engines, anyone?
« on: May 22, 2013, 06:14:33 PM »
A couple years ago my Dad died from brain cancer, no telling what he did to his Sears mower ( that was left for me) when he was ill. The unit is in great shape except for the motor. He was the kind of guy that needed to get all the attachments, sickle bar, snow blower , plow,and a bunch of other crap that I'm not sure what it does.
  For the last few years I paid others to cut the grass and it was always a hassle to 1 get them there when they said they could be there, and not a week later, and 2 doing a halfways decent job with out blowing the grass into the flower gardens (makes wife very unhappy).
  So I decided that I was feeling distant and needed to feel like I could remember the good times with  my Dad everytime that I cut grass by using his mower. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
  The mower has an 18 hp Onan engine , it was always  an overpowered tractor, and that's what I liked about it. It's been sitting for a year or two,and I decided to fire it up.
  Cleaned the fuel line, the tank , and did a stellar job cleaning the carb, new fuel filter but the vacuum fuel pump looked a little beat . Installed new battery changed the oil and fired it up. Ran it around the yard a few times and naturally it quits at the farthest point from the barn. Boy is that thing heavy . Pushed it in the  shop where it starts right up  again... take it out to the yard and it quits ...checked my work and changed the air fuel mix till it sounded better tried it again...did this a few times ( not too bright , but determined). Took it to a lawnmower shop. Sorry bud ,can't get parts for this anymore but I adjusted the points and cleaned the fuel system out... I put in last season's gas .
 So he thinks the pump could be worn, so I can't find a carb overhaul kit anywhere. No shop manuals ...SOL. Can't give this up just yet.
 Bought a Mr Gasket 2-3 lbs fuel pump, installed it in line, thought it would help that tired old pump draw from a low mounted tank. Naaaaaaa didn't work at first, then it drowned  the manifold in fuel, works too good.
   Does anyone out there know these motors? Can anyone suggest a decent single venturi carb that I can purchase , even if I have to machine a new intake manifold adapter that would be fine. It only has to feed 2 cylinders. It's a top mount carb not sideways like other mowers. I was toying with the idea of a  8n carb . or something off a little simple 4banger without today's electronics. any suggestions anyone?
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Re: Onan engines, anyone?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2013, 06:59:25 PM »
I have a manual for an Onan twin somewhere. The last one I worked on, about 10 years ago, I was able to get a new float, but it was pricey. Turned out the real problem was a loose float needle seat. Onans are quality motors. They were commonly used in RV generators. I'll see if I can find the manual.....
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2013, 07:02:05 PM »
If it dies after it gets hot,im thinking vapor lock or ignition related
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2013, 07:04:27 PM »
Sorry, don't know anything but +1, good motors. My brother had one in his RV. Good luck.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2013, 07:27:21 PM »
Try leaving the gas cap loose. Long shot, but could be a clogged vent.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2013, 07:31:42 PM »
This group has lots of info. and characters  :D

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2013, 12:47:43 AM »
Sorry to divert from the thread but I think naming anything after "Onan" seems like a terrible marketing idea...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2013, 01:12:10 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 04:14:27 AM »
Sorry to divert from the thread but I think naming anything after "Onan" seems like a terrible marketing idea...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

I think only Europeans chuckle on that one.  In my language that's one of the proper names for beating the meat  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2013, 11:26:04 AM »
Just worked on a 6 year old Sears riding mower with a 24hp Briggs. The 7 feet of 1/4" fuel hose was rotten from end to end - basically disintegrated when I tried to blow air through it. Ran great with new hose and pump and the carb cleaned out.
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2013, 11:34:08 AM »
I rebuilt an Onan a few years ago. Got a lot of my parts from here:

http://onanparts.com/

Judging from the symptoms my guess would be that the coil is going bad on it. Purely a guess though.
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2013, 11:52:19 AM »
Sorry to divert from the thread but I think naming anything after "Onan" seems like a terrible marketing idea...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Clearly, Onan engines has been around long before the internet or Wikipedia, so this wasn't a resource for them. But one of the first definitions in the Wiki was "strong", so not too bad of a name.  And then to take the last part of "Onan died prematurely by Yahweh's will for being wicked", one could say it is "wicked strong".
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2013, 02:26:01 PM »
Thank you all for the info. I'm getting right on this tonight, been having rain and I can watch the grass grow before my eyes. I had this idea this morning about downdrafting a pair of 450 carbs into the intakes, but that was only if there was no luck staying stock.
                                                                 Thanks again, RB
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2013, 03:12:52 PM »
Does it have pods? If yes, try putting the air box back on!
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2013, 11:41:39 PM »

 Bought a Mr Gasket 2-3 lbs fuel pump, installed it in line, thought it would help that tired old pump draw from a low mounted tank. Naaaaaaa didn't work at first, then it drowned  the manifold in fuel, works too good.
   
Try feeding the Mr gasket electric pump directly to the carb, bypassing the old pump. Be aware that you might have forced crap from the old pump into the carb float needle, causing it to leak under pressure. These motors are just like a CB : with spark, fuel, and air, in the appropriate amounts and time, they will run forever. :)
BTW, the company was named Onan after the founder of the company, in 1920..
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2013, 06:32:48 PM »
Scottly, The fuel pump is  in the carb on this model, non mechanical diaphragm type that works off vacuum, weird.
 I was thinking that perhaps I should run a return line back to the tank at the fuel inlet , that way it can take what it needs and return the rest.
  I checked all over the internet  and junk and scrap yards , and tractor stores, no luck on any old school carbs either.
Pulled the 450 carbs off the shelf just for a looky see. Looks viable to me but I put the word out locally and I'll give it a week before I do something drastic like that.
  I did check on the cap as being a possible problem and it very well could have been a contributing factor, That thing has no vent and is as tight as a bullfrog's butt, there was a breath of relief when I cracked the cap open.  Perhaps there can be a breather  hole drilled into the cap or just not tighten it down.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2013, 08:52:57 PM »
  I did check on the cap as being a possible problem and it very well could have been a contributing factor, That thing has no vent and is as tight as a bullfrog's butt, there was a breath of relief when I cracked the cap open.  Perhaps there can be a breather  hole drilled into the cap or just not tighten it down.
No venting can cause a stalling problem similiar to what you described. Before drilling, just leave the cap loose.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2013, 09:01:53 PM »
A good candidate for a replacement down-draft carb, if you decide to go that route, might be a Solex off an early VW. These were simple and reliable, and are probably close in size to your stock carb. Can you post pics of the stock carb?
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2013, 07:24:26 PM »
I thought that I might have another wack at this stock engine before getting drastic. I already bought all the materials for  new custom manifolds, gasket materials and rubber carb to manifold connectors and have a sqweeky clean set of carbs from a 72 cb 450 twin.

 but I was curious about a n overflow return line,so. I drilled out the upper hole that was not used in the pump area of the carb.

 The coil was questionable so I changed it out to a chrome one that I wasn't using from one of the choppers that I picked up.

Installed a return line into the tank

  And it fired right up,Cut the lawn with zero problems. This tractor has balls to the walls, I can ride the  back wheels for a while with a quick start in 3rd,which is always fun but doesn't get the grass cut.
 And the best part...my wife has been trying to ween me from rebuilding more bikes... Last weekend , while trying to fix the mower ( yeah, that's it)I rebuild a 550 engine that was in the flood from Irene, I drained it back then and filled it full of oil, But it still needed to be fully taken apart and each part cleaned... Done. Had some extra parts lying around and

viola! There is no cure for this.Now  I have to go out and break something so's I can get some more shop time I guess.
  Thanks for the help folks,Mower runs, lawn is cut, and project bike is coming along.
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